Gameplan changes

GP · Post #1 » by GP » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:26 am

I don't know how many of you saw the TNT halftime show, but I was really interested in what Kenny Smith had to say about the Jazz. He said that it looked like the jazz hadn't made ANY changes to their game plan for facing the Lakers after the Game 1 loss. I agree wholly with this observation, but the question is why? Did Jerry not try to implement any changes? Or is the team not listening? Wondering what you guys think. Either way its bad.

Post #2 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:52 am

I don't understand why 6 fouls worth 7 foot Center never got in the game to defend Gasol/Bynum. Millsap is obviously a better player, but he can't defend a guy who is 8 inches taller and exponentially longer.

Soul Patch · Post #3 » by **Soul Patch** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:08 am

My thoughts exactly Delaney.

Xanthis · Post #4 » by **Xanthis** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:25 pm

Because Jerry Sloan is so confident in his system it doesn't change for anybody.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #5 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:25 pm

GP wrote:I don't know how many of you saw the TNT halftime show, but I was really interested in what Kenny Smith had to say about the Jazz. He said that it looked like the jazz hadn't made ANY changes to their game plan for facing the Lakers after the Game 1 loss. I agree wholly with this observation, but the question is why? Did Jerry not try to implement any changes? Or is the team not listening? Wondering what you guys think. Either way its bad.

He didn't change it because its working. The gameplan is to make the Lakers bench beat us and to contain the Laker bigs as much as possible. Well we play decent defense on the bigs and ran good doubles at them, problem is they got some hard shots to drop that wont keep dropping for the whole series. Lakers bench (Ariza, Brown) are shooting out of their minds but that wont last either. Our offense destroyed the Lakers defense last night and we had stretches in the first game (especially in the second half) where it was working well too. There is no reason to change the gameplan, the gameplan is working...Lakers are just doing what they need to do to win but the coaches are banking on the fact that the Lakers luck wont last the whole series. I wouldnt change anything, you had a shot to win the game last night despite how well the Lakers played. Only thing that needs to change is for our back PG's to hold the team steady so Deron can rest longer.

Xanthis · Post #6 » by **Xanthis** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:41 pm

There comes a point where luck is no longer a viable reason and hoping luck runs out is a solution. These guys are shooting out of their minds because they are WIDE open. Also you can't say decent defense on the bigs when Pau treated us like his cave *****

Ming Kong! · Post #7 » by **Ming Kong!** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:48 pm

My #1 problem is, why does Price get PT, and Koufos gets none, and with injuries at his position.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #8 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:56 pm

Xanthis wrote:There comes a point where luck is no longer a viable reason and hoping luck runs out is a solution. These guys are shooting out of their minds because they are WIDE open. Also you can't say decent defense on the bigs when Pau treated us like his cave *****

There isnt much else you can do but hope for some better luck. Pau had a solid game but its not like he is going off for 30+ points and Bynum has been generally kept in check. All I know is Pau had some shots drop that had no business going in and Ariza/Brown cant keep making all their 3's even if they are wide open.

GP · Post #9 » by GP » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:43 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:He didn't change it because its working. The gameplan is to make the Lakers bench beat us and to contain the Laker bigs as much as possible. Well we play decent defense on the bigs and ran good doubles at them, problem is they got some hard shots to drop that wont keep dropping for the whole series. Lakers bench (Ariza, Brown) are shooting out of their minds but that wont last either. Our offense destroyed the Lakers defense last night and we had stretches in the first game (especially in the second half) where it was working well too. There is no reason to change the gameplan, the gameplan is working...Lakers are just doing what they need to do to win but the coaches are banking on the fact that the Lakers luck wont last the whole series. I wouldnt change anything, you had a shot to win the game last night despite how well the Lakers played. Only thing that needs to change is for our back PG's to hold the team steady so Deron can rest longer.

A game plan doesn't "work" if you lose the game.

carrottop12 · Post #10 » by **carrottop12** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:36 pm

Echo is exactly right, the Jazz are doing exactly what I would be doing if I were the coach of the Jazz. They are making guys like Trevor Ariza and Shannon Brown beat them. I would much rather have those guys try to beat us with the long ball then constantly hack the Lakers like the Jazz did last year when they were trying to use single coverage on Kobe and Pau.

You can have them go to the line, and hope they miss shots there, or shoot from long range and hope they miss shots there.

The Lakers can beat you in a huge number of ways, and considering how much bigger they are then the Jazz, I'm fine with letting them beat us from the three point line.

The Jazz are doing the right things, the Lakers are just too good all around for it to be working right now.

The Sheik · Post #11 » by **The Sheik** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:21 pm

Batronuj wrote:Echo is exactly right, the Jazz are doing exactly what I would be doing if I were the coach of the Jazz. They are making guys like Trevor Ariza and Shannon Brown beat them. I would much rather have those guys try to beat us with the long ball then constantly hack the Lakers like the Jazz did last year when they were trying to use single coverage on Kobe and Pau.

You can have them go to the line, and hope they miss shots there, or shoot from long range and hope they miss shots there.

The Lakers can beat you in a huge number of ways, and considering how much bigger they are then the Jazz, I'm fine with letting them beat us from the three point line.

The Jazz are doing the right things, the Lakers are just too good all around for it to be working right now.

I agree with this, but echo saying Pau made shots he had no business making is not true. Everybody on the radio is talking about Brewer and Kobe, yet the matchup thats killing us is Pau vs. Sap/Booz. Neither of them is pushing Pau out of the paint and he has shown all season he has great touch inside of 10ft.

At the end of the day though regardless of who is making what the lakers are shooting 60% and that has more to do with Utahs poor D. We are missing that second rotation down low every time. Just look at the points in the paint...that has nothing to do with luck.

Finally the Lakers are just too damn good. I really think they're the best team in the league right now.

carrottop12 · Post #12 » by **carrottop12** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:59 pm

What really bothers me about the Pau vs. Anyone match up is their failure to put a body on him as soon as he comes inside the three point like. He goes untouched, and honestly will walk inside the paint to establish position on Boozer before he see's any resistance. That's terrible defense, and it comes from laziness, on players who only want to play defense when their guy has the ball.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #13 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:07 pm

The shots I am talking about with Pau are the jump shots that hit short on the rim or back and bounced around a few times before dropping in. You cant expect those to drop every time and it just seemed like every time the ball started bouncing around anywhere near the rim they went in for the Lakers and not for us.

I could just be making things up in my head but it seemed like the ball bounced the right way for the Lakers (especially in the 1st quarter/half) and not so much for the Jazz.

Post #14 » by **jazzfan1971** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:56 pm

I can't see the lakers shooting 60% as just luck.

carrottop12 · Post #15 » by **carrottop12** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:05 pm

11 of 13.

That's the combined numbers of Shannon Brown and Trevor Ariza's three point shooting attempts for the series so far.

I guarantee you if you gave them a ball rack and told them each to take that many three's completely uncontested they wouldn't shoot that well. They are getting a bit lucky, the Jazz have to hope those shots don't fall later in the series if they want to have a chance to win.

jazzed77 · Post #16 » by **jazzed77** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:28 pm

Batronuj wrote:11 of 13.

That's the combined numbers of Shannon Brown and Trevor Ariza's three point shooting attempts for the series so far.

I guarantee you if you gave them a ball rack and told them each to take that many three's completely uncontested they wouldn't shoot that well. They are getting a bit lucky, the Jazz have to hope those shots don't fall later in the series if they want to have a chance to win.

really? I have some friends that played small time college ball and I bet they could have....you ever watched shoot around drills? How many shots do the players hit? MOST OF EM!

Racer X · Post #17 » by **Racer X** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:32 am

You all realize that Jerry Sloan is the coach of this team right? There will be no change in strategy.

GP · Post #18 » by GP » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:37 am

Batronuj wrote:Echo is exactly right, the Jazz are doing exactly what I would be doing if I were the coach of the Jazz. They are making guys like Trevor Ariza and Shannon Brown beat them. I would much rather have those guys try to beat us with the long ball then constantly hack the Lakers like the Jazz did last year when they were trying to use single coverage on Kobe and Pau.

You can have them go to the line, and hope they miss shots there, or shoot from long range and hope they miss shots there.

The Lakers can beat you in a huge number of ways, and considering how much bigger they are then the Jazz, I'm fine with letting them beat us from the three point line.

The Jazz are doing the right things, the Lakers are just too good all around for it to be working right now.

I see what you are saying, oddly, yesterday most commentators I heard were stating the opposite. They claimed you WANT to make Kobe a scorer and not a facilitator. The Lakers are much weaker and one dimensional team when kobe is looking for his shot (e.g. Lakers 2006) By double teaming Kobe you are allowing one of his teammates to get an uncontested shot. By getting his teammates going, kobe can pick and choose when to "turn it on".

ColdBlue · Post #19 » by **ColdBlue** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:46 am

A healthy Memo would change things... but not much. Collins/Booze/Sap isn't working. I would like to give a few minutes to Kosta/Fes and at least see how they respond.

jazzed77 · Post #20 » by **jazzed77** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:25 pm

I agree with what GP posted. If you noticed when we made our best run is when Kobe started "taking over" sure he hit some spectacular shots, but he missed some as well and in the meantime the rest of his team was standing on the perimeter completely out of rebounding position