Please say NO to Fratello...

[RIPskaterdude]

Natt might have been, but I know that Muss was publicly declared (and IIRC, Theus) as a "Maloof family decision". If it was up to Geoff, Rick would still be here.

The Maloofs fired addelman, and the Maloofs interfered with Muss hiring, I never heared they interfered with Theus hiring, or Natt (which really was a no brainer).

Yes, the Maloofs fired Adelman, but let's face it...at the time, we needed a new voice. It might seem like a mistake now, but we needed to rebuild (even though we didn't until this year) and Adelman is a veteran's coach. He's definately not known for building/playing rookies. Muss was a mistake as soon as he got his DUI, but we had to ride out the rest of the season. As for Theus, who knows what would have happened if certain players didn't get injured or if we didn't get blown out so much. Regardless, we definately will not be picking another assistant coach with no HC experience. The Maloofs and Petrie have already said that they HAVE to have prior head coaching experience in the NBA...so that counts out alot of the current assistants (Shaw).

[pillwenney]

Yes, the Maloofs fired Adelman, but let's face it...at the time, we needed a new voice. It might seem like a mistake now, but we needed to rebuild (even though we didn't until this year) and Adelman is a veteran's coach. He's definately not known for building/playing rookies. Muss was a mistake as soon as he got his DUI, but we had to ride out the rest of the season. As for Theus, who knows what would have happened if certain players didn't get injured or if we didn't get blown out so much. Regardless, we definately will not be picking another assistant coach with no HC experience. The Maloofs and Petrie have already said that they HAVE to have prior head coaching experience in the NBA...so that counts out alot of the current assistants (Shaw).

No we didn't! It was starting to look that way, but after the Artest trade, the team had the league's second best record throughout the rest of the season and Rick seemed completely rejuvenated. Letting him go was undeniably a mistake. Nobody coaching played young players for the years after that--they both also tried to win now. Rick would have been much better at it.

And yeah, not only head coaching experience, but success as as a head coach. That really narrows it down even more.

Edit: Thinking about it, that narrows it down to really only a couple of guys as of right now--Jordan, JVG, Avery, Fratello, Harris (though he doesn't seem to be obliged to get back into head coaching), and arguably Cheeks, Mitchell, and Porter. Using that process of elimination I would say it's between JVG, Jordan, and Avery with maybe Porter as a darkhorse.

[SacKingZZZ]

Once again though, I think the future we had lied within that Bonzi/Ron combo, as soon as Bonzi left I think it would have been pointless anyway. The fact is we were going to get suckier and rarely do teams do that with a highly paid coach. The only question I have is why we didn't get suckier sooner?

[pillwenney]

I just don't buy that at all. Rick is most well known for being able to utlize player's talents as well as anyone. Bonzi/Ron would have been an interesting combination to move forward with, but it's still to say that an Artest/Martin combination couldn't have worked, given the right circumstances. Bonzi wasn't fully healthy until late in March--the team had already been successful just by adding Ron at that point. From a pure talent stand point with Cisco's progression that the fact that over the course of the seasons, 06-07 Kevin>>05-06 Bonzi, the talent really didn't drop off. The coaching did.

[RIPskaterdude]

Yes, the Maloofs fired Adelman, but let's face it...at the time, we needed a new voice. It might seem like a mistake now, but we needed to rebuild (even though we didn't until this year) and Adelman is a veteran's coach. He's definately not known for building/playing rookies. Muss was a mistake as soon as he got his DUI, but we had to ride out the rest of the season. As for Theus, who knows what would have happened if certain players didn't get injured or if we didn't get blown out so much. Regardless, we definately will not be picking another assistant coach with no HC experience. The Maloofs and Petrie have already said that they HAVE to have prior head coaching experience in the NBA...so that counts out alot of the current assistants (Shaw).

No we didn't! It was starting to look that way, but after the Artest trade, the team had the league's second best record throughout the rest of the season and Rick seemed completely rejuvenated. Letting him go was undeniably a mistake. Nobody coaching played young players for the years after that--they both also tried to win now. Rick would have been much better at it.

And yeah, not only head coaching experience, but success as as a head coach. That really narrows it down even more.

Edit: Thinking about it, that narrows it down to really only a couple of guys as of right now--Jordan, JVG, Avery, Fratello, Harris (though he doesn't seem to be obliged to get back into head coaching), and arguably Cheeks, Mitchell, and Porter. Using that process of elimination I would say it's between JVG, Jordan, and Avery with maybe Porter as a darkhorse.

Yes, but our team was on a downhill slope (compared to years past, our record was getting worse every year) and in the eyes of the Maloofs (and alot of fans at that time), something needed to be done. We can talk about the "what ifs" forever and ever, but there's really no point on bringing up the whole Adelman thing...he's not our coach anymore. Would you look down on Petrie if HE was the one who made the decision to fire Adelman instead? The Maloofs took a chance on a new coach and it didn't work out. Why are we so easy to forgive Petrie for his FA mistakes (Beno/Moore) and so quick to turn on the Maloofs because they fired Adelman?

[pillwenney]

Yes, but our team was on a downhill slope (compared to years past, our record was getting worse every year) and in the eyes of the Maloofs (and alot of fans at that time), something needed to be done. We can talk about the "what ifs" forever and ever, but there's really no point on bringing up the whole Adelman thing...he's not our coach anymore. Would you look down on Petrie if HE was the one who made the decision to fire Adelman instead? The Maloofs took a chance on a new coach and it didn't work out. Why are we so easy to forgive Petrie for his FA mistakes (Beno/Moore) and so quick to turn on the Maloofs because they fired Adelman?

Well in the eyes of somebody looking closer, they could see that the team was on its way to being in an upswing. Sure our over all record was worse that year, but the Artest trade made such a huge difference, that frankly it was quite clear that the 05-06 team with Artest>>the 04-05 team. Again, in the stretch after the Artest trade, they had the second best record in the league.

And yes, I would blame Geoff if he let Rick go, but then again, I know he would never do that. It's not like they just let a pretty good guy go. Rick is an elite coach in this league. And unless you have a replacement in mind, letting him go because you essentially want a guy with more personality, is stupid. This is the team's biggest error of the last several years because finding a capable replacement for Rick is going to be damn near impossible. Beno and Mikki are just some guys that are going to take up some cap room that probably wouldn't be that important to have anyway. Mikki will likely ultimately be inconsequential, and I stand by the idea that Beno can be at least close to being worth his contract.

[SacKingZZZ]

I just don't buy that at all. Rick is most well known for being able to utlize player's talents as well as anyone. Bonzi/Ron would have been an interesting combination to move forward with, but it's still to say that an Artest/Martin combination couldn't have worked, given the right circumstances. Bonzi wasn't fully healthy until late in March--the team had already been successful just by adding Ron at that point. From a pure talent stand point with Cisco's progression that the fact that over the course of the seasons, 06-07 Kevin>>05-06 Bonzi, the talent really didn't drop off. The coaching did.

We saw it for two years and I just don't think they clicked regardless of any circumstances, too many mouths to feed in a perimeter sort of way. We were successful at the end of the year but the schedule did have a part to play in that. It seemed like every time a team came into ARCO they were pretty well worn at that point, whereas the Kings were fresh do to either coming off injury, newly found minutes, or suspension.

We gave the Spurs hell thanks to matchup nightmares, no team in the league could combat a SG/SF, Wells/Artest combo. You'd either get beat up or blown by. Bonzi picked up the slack on the boards and both could post up PF's depending on who was guarding them. One thing Adelman knows how to do is utilize mismatches without going overboard into "Nellie" territory. Like how he uses Hedo at the PF so much when Webber went down. If it works he sticks with it, if it doesn't he doesn't. That really could have been a sweet launching pad for a good 2-3 year run, oh well. And there is no question Martin >>> Wells, but it's like comparing apples and oranges, totally different players with two totally different types of impact on the floor.

[pillwenney]

We saw it for two years and I just don't think they clicked regardless of any circumstances, too many mouths to feed in a perimeter sort of way. We were successful at the end of the year but the schedule did have a part to play in that. It seemed like every time a team came into ARCO they were pretty well worn at that point, whereas the Kings were fresh do to either coming off injury, newly found minutes, or suspension.

We gave the Spurs hell thanks to matchup nightmares, no team in the league could combat a SG/SF, Wells/Artest combo. You'd either get beat up or blown by. Bonzi picked up the slack on the boards and both could post up PF's depending on who was guarding them. One thing Adelman knows how to do is utilize mismatches without going overboard into "Nellie" territory. Like how he uses Hedo at the PF so much when Webber went down. If it works he sticks with it, if it doesn't he doesn't. That really could have been a sweet launching pad for a good 2-3 year run, oh well. And there is no question Martin >>> Wells, but it's like comparing apples and oranges, totally different players with two totally different types of impact on the floor.

We might have to agree to disagree here because I just don't buy that they couldn't have clicked. This is a great example of what a difference a coach makes. Rick is a guy who players listen to and who is notoriously good for utilizing players' talents. After him, was Muss, who never had the players' respect and pretty much never anything close to a coherent offensive system, and Reggie, who was a rookie NBA coach.

And you can talk about the schedule, but I mean come on--the second best record in the league. If you want the schedule to account for some of that, you at least have to admit that that team could have made the playoffs next year. But more importantly, they played a lot more of that schedule without a healthy Bonzi, and that shows that the team flat out could have been fine without him.

[Smills91]

How do we know the past 3 coaches weren't Petrie's decision in the first place...?

We read the Sacramento Bee which has reported the decision struggles between the Maloofs and Petrie.

[Smills91]

+1 to all of Mitch's short novels.

[RIPskaterdude]

How do we know the past 3 coaches weren't Petrie's decision in the first place...?

We read the Sacramento Bee which has reported the decision struggles between the Maloofs and Petrie.

And I'm sure you always listen to the Bee, Smills

[Smills91]

How do we know the past 3 coaches weren't Petrie's decision in the first place...?

We read the Sacramento Bee which has reported the decision struggles between the Maloofs and Petrie.

And I'm sure you always listen to the Bee, Smills

I respect Amick and McNeal(now since gone) The rest are kooks.