Honest Question About Fisher

laka4life · Post #1 » by **laka4life** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:11 am

Honest Question from a Laker fan, and I'm not trying to start a flame war or any kind of argument.

Would just really appreciate some insight and opinion.

If Fisher had signed with ANY OTHER team than the Lakers, would you/fans in the Energy Solutions Arena treat him any differently?

I understand he left the team midway through his contract, but did so for the better of his daughter.

So is the beef with the location, or actually with Fisher and his decision?

Thank you

javaisfun · Post #2 » by **javaisfun** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:18 am

I really feel like he would be one of the few players we would cheer. If he had gone to New York, I would cheer him during every player intro. But since he's a Laker, can't do that.

Good question, and thanks for asking it. Everyone thinks we're jerks for booing him, and maybe we are, but that he went to you guys hurts.

idajazz · Post #3 » by **idajazz** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:20 am

It is my belief that the whole deal with his daughter was nothing more than a smoke screen.
I believe it was done to try and put a positive face on the fact that he wanted out of Utah.

Fisher sucks.

laka4life · Post #4 » by **laka4life** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:21 am

Thank you for the honest opinion. And that I can respect. He had a history with the Lakers, and it looked like he was trying to just go to a better situation.

I think the only reason we get upset is seeing the fans hold a hand over their eyes or jeers directed towards his daughter.

It's professional sport. The visiting team will never be treated kindly. And your answer javaisfun is truly legit.

Thank you

laka4life · Post #5 » by **laka4life** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:22 am

idajazz wrote:It is my belief that the whole deal with his daughter was nothing more than a smoke screen.
I believe it was done to try and put a positive face on the fact that he wanted out of Utah.

Fisher sucks.

Wow, could you say that to his family face to face?

Post #6 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:26 am

I think it was done for his wife. She probably hated it here and the family thing was the biggest determiner in her saying get out. Yes, had Fish signed with any team but the Lakers it would be different, even the Clippers. See what happened his first time back is it came out on the talk radio that he was still going to New York for doctor appointments and there wasn't any real discussion on why. It really made it seem like a set up. In the end there is more to the story than meets the eyes and pretty much everybody is over it now.

laka4life · Post #7 » by **laka4life** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:31 am

DelaneyRudd wrote:I think it was done for his wife. She probably hated it here and the family thing was the biggest determiner in her saying get out. Yes, had Fish signed with any team but the Lakers it would be different, even the Clippers. See what happened his first time back is it came out on the talk radio that he was still going to New York for doctor appointments and there wasn't any real discussion on why. It really made it seem like a set up. In the end there is more to the story than meets the eyes and pretty much everybody is over it now.

Okay, respectable. I guess my overall thing is I just wish his daughter would be left out of this. There's no way you guys would jeer Boozer if he opts out this summer and signs in a place like Miami to be with his child that needed the bone marrow transplant.

There comes a point where family is more important than basketball.

Post #8 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:33 am

Carmani is done with treatment and has been to home games. Boozer recently filed for divorce and asked for sole rights to the Utah house. He was close to getting the same arrangement.

Post #9 » by **jazzfan1971** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:39 am

I've never wished Fish any ill will. I thought the separation was a win-win event. LA won by getting Fish, and Utah won by getting out of his contract.

I also thought the whole daughter thing was a smokescreen. It was a luxury for him to live close to the doctor, not a necessity. She would have gotten just as good of care with or without the buyout.

No bad blood for me there. Fish is a class guy. I wish he and his well.

laka4life · Post #10 » by **laka4life** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:43 am

jazzfan1971 wrote:I've never wished Fish any ill will. I thought the separation was a win-win event. LA won by getting Fish, and Utah won by getting out of his contract.

I also thought the whole daughter thing was a smokescreen. It was a luxury for him to live close to the doctor, not a necessity. She would have gotten just as good of care with or without the buyout.

No bad blood for me there. Fish is a class guy. I wish he and his well.

Thank you. You're a class act

idajazz · Post #11 » by **idajazz** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:30 am

I would have more respect for fish if he had just told the truth and said he didn't want to play in Utah.

I think using your kids illness is worse than the heckling he gets.

Just an fyi.........
I have been to a couple of the Laker games and have not seen anybody doing the eye thing.
That would be classless.

Post #12 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:35 am

I don't think him not wanting to play in Utah was the real reason either. It's not like Fish is either a club going aspiring rapper or a dashiki wearing black nationalist. I believe his family was the reason he left. I just don't think it was directly related to the medical care.

GP · Post #13 » by GP » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:50 am

You guys are right, the cancer was a smokescreen to hide his disliking of Utah....give me a break. I help cancer patients with their treatments and I can tell you that if they feel that a specialist can provide slightly better care for themselves or for their children they would move in a heartbeat. Fishers daughter had cancer, the doctor Fisher wanted to use was in Cali, so he decided try and play for a team near his daughters doctor. The jazz discussed with fisher about his situation and made a classy move to allow fisher out of his contract. I wish fisher and family the best.

Post #14 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:24 am

GP wrote:You guys are right, the cancer was a smokescreen to hide his disliking of Utah....give me a break. I help cancer patients with their treatments and I can tell you that if they feel that a specialist can provide slightly better care for themselves or for their children they would move in a heartbeat. Fishers daughter had cancer, the doctor Fisher wanted to use was in Cali, so he decided try and play for a team near his daughters doctor. The jazz discussed with fisher about his situation and made a classy move to allow fisher out of his contract. I wish fisher and family the best.

Uhhh... the doctor is in New York.

dznutzz · Post #15 » by **dznutzz** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:37 am

.......... and roots for the lakers 8-)

anyway he believes the hopspital in LA was better but the specialist he wanted to see was in NY. so it was either LA or NY

HouseofBoozer · Post #16 » by **HouseofBoozer** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:50 am

It never was the fact that he left Utah. I could really care less. It's the fact that the first time we played them he stole the ball from Deron more than most point guards could, he gave our strategy to Phil, and he holds onto Deron's jersey as he's trying to get around a screen. Fisher seems like a classy guy, but does nothing to have the fans cheer him here. Not anything that any other player wouldn't do, but it's unnerving because for 1 season we cheered for him. Now he's playing his best basketball usually against us. Best wishes to his daughter and his family, noone deserves to be booed if he did something to better his family. I boo him because he's good against us in the purple and gold.

The Sheik · Post #17 » by **The Sheik** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:17 am

Honestly....and this is for ever Laker and Fisher fan out there.

NONE of us and I mean NONE of us have ill will towards Tatum. I am sick and tired of ignorant fans thinking we boo him because he is a great father. Thats some bs a random Laker person cooked up and everyone and their dog ran with it. It takes an extremely sick individual to boo an infant recovering from a rare form of cancer.

Second my beef with Fisher is simple. He sat up at his press conference and lied to us. This is a known fact. He talked about the great opportunity the Jazz have given him. He talked about putting basketball aside, and having the most important thing be his family and daughter. He even made references to being semi-retired. I personally feel that he has done that for his family and am not inferring or suggesting he has not done that. Then no less than a week later he is signed with the Lakers. Something that obviously started pretty soon after. In fact long time Jazz radio guy Hot Rod Hundley said he already had a deal with the Lakers in place. I trust this because Hot Rod has sources in the Lakers organization and regardless is a connected guy. My beef is why BS? Just tell us the best place for your daughter is in LA and you're going to play for the Lakers.

The reason, and the sole reason he is being booed is because he is wearing a Laker jersey. Hell Malone got booed too.

Finally please stop saying Utah has classless fans. Just because one guy does something stupid doesnt mean a fan base is terrible. None of us bitch about your fans chanting Utah sucks when you're up by 14 with a minute left.

One fan doesnt make up a fan base. Orlando fans arent racist because one guy called Mutombo a monkey. Detriot fans arent rednecks because one guy threw a beer at Artest.

I sincerely wish Tatum the best and hope she lives an amazing full life with no limitations, but Im sick and tired of having to tell people nobody has anything against his daughter or him wanting to save his daughters life.

Tabasco · Post #18 » by **Tabasco** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:17 am

I boo him because I hate him. I can't stand him. I don't know why Laker fans get so butt hurt that we don't like Fisher. I didn't even like him when he played for us, why the hell would I cheer for him in a Laker uniform?

And none of this has anything to do with his daughter.

carrottop12 · Post #19 » by **carrottop12** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:02 am

I don't think the cancer was a smoke screen, I really think he wanted to be able to give his daughter the best treatment available and be there for her when she needed him.

However I think signing with the Lakers, after knowing that the Doctor she was going too was in NY, and instead of moving closer to NYC, or taking time off he signs with the Lakers is a pretty classless thing to do on his part.

If the issue was really so dyer that he had to ask out of a contract he should have either taken a year off, or actually gone closer to the specialist, not farther away.

I bet most of the teams in the league contacted him about their interest in having him go play for them, and if you don't think he took into consideration playing for a winner when he made his choice you are lying to yourself.

The very idea that he did that makes him a scumbag to me. That's not just me being a hater, that's me seeing a man who asks a hell of a lot out of a group of people to reshape their very expensive plans and countless hours of work to give him an opportunity to do what's best for his daughter, and when they do he's ends up using some of that opportunity to do what's best for himself.

Take a year off if your such a family man, you've got plenty of money. Don't commit your apparent invaluable time that you need for your daughter to something that is going to keep you away from home for nearly half the year. Don't spend the time trying to better your career.

I honestly think the guy is a cheat and a phony.

dingclancy · Post #20 » by **dingclancy** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:24 am

Batronuj wrote:
I bet most of the teams in the league contacted him about their interest in having him go play for them, and if you don't think he took into consideration playing for a winner when he made his choice you are lying to yourself.

Well its you who is lying to yourself. When Fisher signed with the Lakers no one wanted to come here. That was the offseason where Kobe was dumping his crap on Kupchak and Bynum. Garnett did not want to come here because of Kobe. We just lost 4-1 to the Suns while Utah got to the WCF. Utah was clearly closer to the championship than the Lakers, and we limped all the way to the playoffs. That could have been the worst season if not for the Ariza trade, Bynum's development, Gasol, and of course Fisher's leadership, which were all surprising except for the last one.

The opening game starting 5 was

Fisher
Kobe
Walton
Odom
Kwame

Lol! That was your central point of your long post and it all failed in one swoop.

Scumbag my arse.