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What the "Experts" are Saying. 

Post#1 » by Mags FTW » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:05 am

NFC North draft analysis
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In a rare marriage of need and talent level, Green Bay managed to select the best defensive lineman in the draft when it took Boston College nose tackle B.J. Raji with the No. 9 overall pick.

Need-based fanatics could point out that the Packers already had a starting nose tackle in Ryan Pickett. They could also document greater needs at defensive end, linebacker and offensive tackle. Fantasy football players, meanwhile, were probably drooling at the possibility of receiver Michael Crabtree joining an offense that already includes quarterback Aaron Rodgers and receivers Greg Jennings and Donald Driver.

But you don't pass over a player of Raji's caliber because you have Ryan Pickett on your roster. You don't grab the fourth-best offensive tackle ahead of the top defensive lineman. And you don't turn greedy with your offense when it was your defense that largely put you in a 6-10 hole last season.

And so Thompson pounced on Raji, who figures to start immediately. Pickett could move to end, or defensive coordinator Dom Capers could find other innovative ways to keep both players on the field. If you're the Packers, it's a great problem to have.

Most surprising move

In his first four drafts as the Packers' general manager, Ted Thompson executed 14 draft-day trades. All but one of them were to move down. It was a volume approach to roster-building: The more players you draft, the better your chances are of building quality depth. So I'm sure a few people fell out of their seats Saturday when Thompson gave up a second-round choice and a pair of third-round picks to move up from No. 41 overall to No. 26 in order to grab USC linebacker Clay Matthews III.

Matthews intrigues the Packers on a number of levels, but let's be honest: They faced urgency to start addressing the transitional holes revealed by their shift to the 3-4 defense. The team has been vague about who might start at outside linebacker opposite Aaron Kampman, and in retrospect it seems clear Thompson has planned to address the issue during the draft. When you target a position, and especially when you extend it to one particular player, you must be willing to wheel and deal. Surprisingly, Thompson was.



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Post#2 » by Mags FTW » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:05 am

Ten biggest winners
7. Green Bay's Ryan Grant and Aaron Rodgers. In Quinn Johnson, the Packers just acquired the best blocking fullback in the draft.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11680197
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Post#3 » by Mags FTW » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:06 am

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Jamon Meredith/OL/Green Bay/5th round: Meredith comes off a tough campaign in which he struggled with injury and position change. Several teams gave him a second-round grade and Meredith will compete for several offensive line spots with the Packers.

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Post#4 » by Mags FTW » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:06 am

Green Bay Packers analysis Grade B
# Best pick: They had to get a power player inside and took B.J. Raji in the first round. He is a load.
# Questionable move: Trading back into the first round to get USC linebacker Clay Matthews. I didn't like that move at all. He's good. Not that good.
# Second-day gem: Landing tackle Jamon Meredith in the fifth round could prove to be a steal for a team in need of a tackle.
Ted Thompson added some nice players, but I think the Matthews move is questionable.

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Post#5 » by Mags FTW » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:07 am

Green Bay Packers: A-minus
They targeted defensive help and got it. Defensive tackle B.J. Raji is a run-stuffer with agility, and outside linebacker Clay Matthews is excellent in pass coverage. Both might start in Week 1. Tackle T.J. Lang and fullback Quinn Johnson are physical blockers. This team should be improved.

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Post#6 » by Nowak008 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:51 am

Packers get the only A from Kiper.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/ ... %3d4103819

"Packers, Jets get top grades"

I love what this team did to solidify its shaky defense in the first two picks alone, with the selection of two excellent players in defensive tackle B.J. Raji and outside linebacker Clay Matthews. Tackle T.J. Lang was a good pickup for the offensive line, while Quinn Johnson could be a bruising lead fullback in the league. Sixth-round pick Brandon Underwood could make this team and give the Packers depth as a backup.
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Post#7 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:57 pm

McShay:

Eagles, Packers shine on draft day
Philly, Green Bay make the best impression when reviewing NFC draft classes

Green Bay Packers
2009 draft class
Best pick: DT B.J. Raji, Boston College (First round, No. 9 overall)
Worst pick: FB Quinn Johnson, LSU (Fifth round, No. 145 overall)
Bottom line: It's hard to pinpoint a weakness in this draft. Raji is a perfect fit at NT as the Packers transition to a 3-4 defense, and OLB Clay Matthews gives them a player with experience in a hybrid 3-4/4-3 scheme. OT T.J. Lang is one of the most underrated offensive linemen in this year's class and could emerge as yet another midround O-line starter for Green Bay. The Packers also took some chances in the later rounds on risk/reward players like G Jamon Meredith and CB Brandon Underwood.
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Post#8 » by Ayt » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:15 pm

Nowak008 wrote:Packers get the only A from Kiper.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/ ... %3d4103819

"Packers, Jets get top grades"

I love what this team did to solidify its shaky defense in the first two picks alone, with the selection of two excellent players in defensive tackle B.J. Raji and outside linebacker Clay Matthews. Tackle T.J. Lang was a good pickup for the offensive line, while Quinn Johnson could be a bruising lead fullback in the league. Sixth-round pick Brandon Underwood could make this team and give the Packers depth as a backup.


Its disturbing to me I hear Kiper in my head when I read this.
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Post#9 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:26 pm

Yahoo Sports:

Green Bay
Green Bay Packers
Picks: DT B.J. Raji, LB Clay Matthews, OT T.J. Lang, FB Quinn Johnson, OT Jamon Meredith, DE Jarius Wynn, CB Brandon Underwood, LB Brad Jones
Positives: Raji, Matthews, tackle prospects
Negative: Could have used a more highly rated cornerback.
Bottom line: A. Almost all the team needs were addressed in some way. Nose tackles in the 3-4 scheme are at a premium, and the Packers had a great one fall in their lap in Raji. Matthews has a ton of versatility and adds another badly needed piece in the Packers’ scheme change on defense. The two tackle prospects are something to work with long term.


That's his only A or even A-.

Is anyone else sort of freaked out by all the praise this draft is getting?
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Post#10 » by LUKE23 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:34 pm

I don't buy that a great draft grade means the draft will pan out, just as I don't think a great draft day grade is some sort of jinx either.

But I do think this was a good draft. Meredith in the 5th round cemented it as an A for me. I think we could possibly see six guys make the 53 from this draft (Raji, Matthews, Lang, Meredith, Johnson, Underwood).
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Post#11 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:43 pm

I like the draft, gave it an A-/B+, but the Meredith pick doesn't mean as much to me as it does to others. If he fell to the 5th round there's a reason. Even if you love that the Packers got him so late, you have to remember that they passed on him for another offensive lineman and a fullback
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Post#12 » by Ayt » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:43 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I don't buy that a great draft grade means the draft will pan out, just as I don't think a great draft day grade is some sort of jinx either.

But I do think this was a good draft. Meredith in the 5th round cemented it as an A for me. I think we could possibly see six guys make the 53 from this draft (Raji, Matthews, Lang, Meredith, Johnson, Underwood).


And we should get serious contributions from Raji, Matthews, Johnson, and maybe one of the OTs. Its great draft looking at it for this year and projecting it down the line. We got great fit and great value (other than the Matthews trade, I guess).
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Post#13 » by an_also » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:12 pm

peter king isnt so fond of the Matthews pick:

" Green Bay. B.J. Raji's the best anchor for a 3-4 in this draft. I don't trust Clay Matthews, but we'll see. Why? He walked onto the USC campus weighing 161 pounds. Is his frame fine, adding 80 pounds in such a short time?"
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Post#14 » by LUKE23 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:22 pm

Looks like we had 4 guys on McGinn's top 100 big board:

4 Packers picks in McGinn's top 100
Apr. 27, 2009 7:25 a.m.

Before the NFL draft this weekend, Journal Sentinel Packers beat writer Bob McGinn listed his top 100 prospects. The Packers ended up picking four of the 100, including players picked in the fifth and sixth rounds.

Here are the four, along with their place in McGinn's ranking and where they were drafted:

* 5. B.J. Raji (first round, 9th overall)
* 12. Clay Matthews (first round, 26th overall)
* 65. Jamon Meredith (fifth round, 162nd overall)
* 97. Brandon Underwood (sixth round, 187th overall)
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Post#15 » by Wade-A-Holic » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:41 pm

DrugBust wrote:I like the draft, gave it an A-/B+, but the Meredith pick doesn't mean as much to me as it does to others. If he fell to the 5th round there's a reason. Even if you love that the Packers got him so late, you have to remember that they passed on him for another offensive lineman and a fullback


I don't see what that has to do with anything. I don't judge players by where they were projected to go. I go by what I see. In Meredith, I see a potentially great pass protector who needs to get a bit bigger, stronger, and meaner. He dropped for a reason, but he was also given a second round grade by a lot of scouts for a reason.
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Post#16 » by Wade-A-Holic » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:43 pm

DrugBust wrote:Is anyone else sort of freaked out by all the praise this draft is getting?


Yes. I almost take comfort in being frustrated by Thompson's picks on draft day. Seeing as there was almost no frustration this year, I almost have to believe this class is doomed to failure.
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Post#17 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:56 pm

Wade-A-Holic wrote:
DrugBust wrote:I like the draft, gave it an A-/B+, but the Meredith pick doesn't mean as much to me as it does to others. If he fell to the 5th round there's a reason. Even if you love that the Packers got him so late, you have to remember that they passed on him for another offensive lineman and a fullback


I don't see what that has to do with anything. I don't judge players by where they were projected to go. I go by what I see. In Meredith, I see a potentially great pass protector who needs to get a bit bigger, stronger, and meaner. He dropped for a reason, but he was also given a second round grade by a lot of scouts for a reason.


Scouts that probably didn't investigate him off the field or in the locker room.

Sounds like he can play but was either un-coachable or disliked or both. I hope he pans out, I'm just not penciling him for anything at this point.
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Post#18 » by Wade-A-Holic » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:22 pm

DrugBust wrote:Scouts that probably didn't investigate him off the field or in the locker room.

Sounds like he can play but was either un-coachable or disliked or both. I hope he pans out, I'm just not penciling him for anything at this point.


There's really no way of knowing. To hear him tell it, he sat out the first two games of the season because he played in two games as a true freshman, and by the time he got back his job was gone. He sounds pretty sincere in wondering where the un-coachable tag comes from, and thinks it may have been from one of the coaches who is no longer at South Carolina.
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Post#19 » by CorporateBucks » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:29 pm

Kiper really liked our draft, just saw him again on ESPN. Says Him and McShay both raved about Raji, as well as Matthews and should be the cornerstones for our 3/4. Went onto say we didn't stop there, picking up two solid offensive linemen in Lang, and Merideth and the best lead blocker in Quinn.
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