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I bet Nene is traded in the summer 

Post#1 » by SnakefromHell » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:04 pm

Regardless of how successful we are as a team, I guess Nene is going to be traded. He's shown he can be a dominant offensive player in games but he disappears a lot of times when we need him and his constant crying to the refs have made us weak.

I think we're going to shop him in the summer for a legit 7 footer who can box out, rebound, defend on the post (play defense what a 7 footer should) and have catches and score, most importantly who's going to get minutes with Karl. I don't think Petro is the answer.

But I think he's going to be traded for a lottery pick this year.
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Post#2 » by Shady08 » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:41 pm

I bet you are wrong
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Post#3 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:51 pm

No no no, Nene is the future! Lets trade Melo, he smiles sometimes. Smiling is wrong!!!
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Re: I bet Nene is traded in the summer 

Post#4 » by pistonsnuggets » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:21 pm

I doubt that will happen. And we are already short on big men. Trading him for draft pick that only has one decent big man (Hasheem Thabeet) would be stupid.

"I think we're going to shop him in the summer for a legit 7 footer who can box out, rebound, defend on the post (play defense what a 7 footer should) and have catches and score"

You got anyone in mind?
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Post#5 » by sportsmikegm23 » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:32 pm

SnakefromHell wrote:Regardless of how successful we are as a team, I guess Nene is going to be traded. He's shown he can be a dominant offensive player in games but he disappears a lot of times when we need him and his constant crying to the refs have made us weak.

I think we're going to shop him in the summer for a legit 7 footer who can box out, rebound, defend on the post (play defense what a 7 footer should) and have catches and score, most importantly who's going to get minutes with Karl. I don't think Petro is the answer.

But I think he's going to be traded for a lottery pick this year.


I don't think Nene will be traded, However, I know the coaches and the FO have got to be disappointed so far in his lackluster playoff performance. His shooting a god awful 40%, getting overly frustrated with contact, whining at refs all the time, and having lesser players get into his head and outplay him. He is a main reason the Nuggets are where they are, but he does need to step it up. He should be abusing Chandler with his ankle and Marks is too small and slow to guard him. I know this left hand is hurting and I know that affects his game, but for the Nugs to get out of this round... and hopefully Dallas.... Nene has to play much better.

Snake, if you know of any constant 7 footers who are big, talented, and have all the attributes you are asking for....you might be talking about Andrew Bynum, Yao Ming, or Brook Lopez... other than that...not many 7 footers that can do everything. We aren't going to get any of them for Nene.
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Post#6 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:00 pm

Is the FO disappointed with Nene or are they disappointed with Karl? Seriously not trying to rip him here, but they went out and got a 7 footer (Petro) and Karl was whining he needed more big men depth so he could rest Kmart and Nene more (Seemed he forgot about Balkman when doing that). Yet Karl did not take advantage of Petro/Balkman and give them more rest during the season.

Kmart getting injured could have been a blessing in disguise, since he got rest. Nene really didn't, and this is the 1st time he has played a full season in a long time. Not to make excuses for him, but he could just be too drained from the season.

I hope he can get his game back though.
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Post#7 » by sportsmikegm23 » Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:21 pm

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:Is the FO disappointed with Nene or are they disappointed with Karl? Seriously not trying to rip him here, but they went out and got a 7 footer (Petro) and Karl was whining he needed more big men depth so he could rest Kmart and Nene more (Seemed he forgot about Balkman when doing that). Yet Karl did not take advantage of Petro/Balkman and give them more rest during the season.

Kmart getting injured could have been a blessing in disguise, since he got rest. Nene really didn't, and this is the 1st time he has played a full season in a long time. Not to make excuses for him, but he could just be too drained from the season.

I hope he can get his game back though.


I don't think the FO is too disappointed with Karl...but I am in slight agreement with you.. in as far as limiting his minutes down the stretch and shouldn't have been playing the Portland game at all (the Portland game should have been an organizational decision.) That being said, Petro might be able to give you about 5 or 6 minutes starting off the game or a similar stint in the 2nd quarter before half, but Petro is not a beefy, beast of a guy... They need bigger bodied guy... 6-10 plus about 260 plus to bang on people in the post for 10 plus minutes and I think you know Petro really isn't the answer.

Fatigue being said...he should still kill Chandler on a hobbled ankle.
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Re: I bet Nene is traded in the summer 

Post#8 » by The Rebel » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:20 am

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SnakefromHell wrote:Regardless of how successful we are as a team, I guess Nene is going to be traded. He's shown he can be a dominant offensive player in games but he disappears a lot of times when we need him and his constant crying to the refs have made us weak.

I think we're going to shop him in the summer for a legit 7 footer who can box out, rebound, defend on the post (play defense what a 7 footer should) and have catches and score, most importantly who's going to get minutes with Karl. I don't think Petro is the answer.

But I think he's going to be traded for a lottery pick this year.


I don't think Nene will be traded, However, I know the coaches and the FO have got to be disappointed so far in his lackluster playoff performance. His shooting a god awful 40%, getting overly frustrated with contact, whining at refs all the time, and having lesser players get into his head and outplay him. He is a main reason the Nuggets are where they are, but he does need to step it up. He should be abusing Chandler with his ankle and Marks is too small and slow to guard him. I know this left hand is hurting and I know that affects his game, but for the Nugs to get out of this round... and hopefully Dallas.... Nene has to play much better.

Snake, if you know of any constant 7 footers who are big, talented, and have all the attributes you are asking for....you might be talking about Andrew Bynum, Yao Ming, or Brook Lopez... other than that...not many 7 footers that can do everything. We aren't going to get any of them for Nene.


Agreed, throughout the years the only justification the team had for keeping Nene, was the fact that he could be the all around player. Right now there is no one better that would be available without trading Melo and possibly more, so no they are going to have to find a way to keep Nene healthy, and find a couple of big bodies who will be able to give him more rest throughout the season.
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Post#9 » by TedR719 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:05 am

I think these guys are on the endangered species list...

Legit 7 footer who can box out, rebound, defend on the post (play defense what a 7 footer should) and have catches and score
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Re: I bet Nene is traded in the summer 

Post#10 » by PeTBuLL » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:28 am

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/02/14/life ... -for-nene/

Well Nene got married on the ASB, since then...

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Post#11 » by SnakefromHell » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:33 am

Nene is just sensitive, he does not take big man game well (all that bumping, pushing, elbowing, physical stuff), that's why he gets into scuffles like whenever a guy roughs him up a little bit. You can be the innocent looking Matt Bonner and if you shove him, then you'll get into his head and take him out of his game.

Obviously noone would trade their Brook Lopez, Lamarcus Aldridge, aka their own rising stars for Nene. That's why we have to scramble and find the promising ones and those who can be had for cheap now (aka diamond in a rough).


For one I would trade Nene for:
- Joakim Noah straight up (but obviously salary does not match). But you guys might think the kid is flawed offensively, but he plays like a center should play. Boxes out, rebounds, defends post up guys, can catch passes/ lobs, good one-on-one defender, good help defender, has pretty high game IQ, understands pick and roll game at a high level, sets solid picks, takes charges, knows his limitation and does not shoot jumpers (unlike Camby). He's a Marcus Camby that plays proper big man defense (if Marcus played proper big man D, I would never hate him). All that terrible foul on Pierce in Game 1 was because of inexperience, but he's a fast learner. Terrible shooting form but he still shoots about 60% from FTs which is basically most centers do. Young, full of energy, fresh (no past serious injury history), pretty athletic, people disliked him when he came to the L but he's channeling all that energy and enthusiasm in the right direction.

Obviously, since Nene is the perceived better player and being that he commands much higher salary we would get more from the Bulls. We can get Hinrich too (but I doubt we can now he's playing pretty well in the playoffs). If not Hinrich, I'd take their future first round, or this year's pick. We may even get a couple. Potential wise though, I would trade Nene for Noah straight up.

- Marc Gasol . Love this guy, he just plays big man game traditionally. Thick, tall, can box out, can rebound, can pass, has post up game, can guard post, exactly what we need. And he's still learning the offense. We may get more, I'll take their future pick too.

- Roy Hibbert (add Brandon Rush and Jarret Jack). Hibbert is a solid 7 foot frame who can box out, pass the ball, and play in the post. You add Rush who essentially replaces Dahntay Jones and Jarret Jack who replaces AC. Not sure if Indy does this, Rush is a hard bargain.

- Spencer Hawes, he's an offensive prodigy, can rebound, but not sure about the box out and plays post defense thingy though.


Just some ideas, or I'll unload Nene for point guards. Supposedly, those who will be our future, Monta Ellis is pissed and Warriors seem pissed at him too, Nellie might be a big fan of Nene, straight up trade???
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Re: I bet Nene is traded in the summer 

Post#12 » by sportsmikegm23 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:58 am

SnakefromHell wrote:Nene is just sensitive, he does not take big man game well (all that bumping, pushing, elbowing, physical stuff), that's why he gets into scuffles like whenever a guy roughs him up a little bit. You can be the innocent looking Matt Bonner and if you shove him, then you'll get into his head and take him out of his game.

Obviously noone would trade their Brook Lopez, Lamarcus Aldridge, aka their own rising stars for Nene. That's why we have to scramble and find the promising ones and those who can be had for cheap now (aka diamond in a rough).


For one I would trade Nene for:
- Joakim Noah straight up (but obviously salary does not match). But you guys might think the kid is flawed offensively, but he plays like a center should play. Boxes out, rebounds, defends post up guys, can catch passes/ lobs, good one-on-one defender, good help defender, has pretty high game IQ, understands pick and roll game at a high level, sets solid picks, takes charges, knows his limitation and does not shoot jumpers (unlike Camby). He's a Marcus Camby that plays proper big man defense (if Marcus played proper big man D, I would never hate him). All that terrible foul on Pierce in Game 1 was because of inexperience, but he's a fast learner. Terrible shooting form but he still shoots about 60% from FTs which is basically most centers do. Young, full of energy, fresh (no past serious injury history), pretty athletic, people disliked him when he came to the L but he's channeling all that energy and enthusiasm in the right direction.

Obviously, since Nene is the perceived better player and being that he commands much higher salary we would get more from the Bulls. We can get Hinrich too (but I doubt we can now he's playing pretty well in the playoffs). If not Hinrich, I'd take their future first round, or this year's pick. We may even get a couple. Potential wise though, I would trade Nene for Noah straight up.

- Marc Gasol . Love this guy, he just plays big man game traditionally. Thick, tall, can box out, can rebound, can pass, has post up game, can guard post, exactly what we need. And he's still learning the offense. We may get more, I'll take their future pick too.

- Roy Hibbert (add Brandon Rush and Jarret Jack). Hibbert is a solid 7 foot frame who can box out, pass the ball, and play in the post. You add Rush who essentially replaces Dahntay Jones and Jarret Jack who replaces AC. Not sure if Indy does this, Rush is a hard bargain.

- Spencer Hawes, he's an offensive prodigy, can rebound, but not sure about the box out and plays post defense thingy though.


Just some ideas, or I'll unload Nene for point guards. Supposedly, those who will be our future, Monta Ellis is pissed and Warriors seem pissed at him too, Nellie might be a big fan of Nene, straight up trade???


Until later in the season, Nene's was not an issue, nor was the banging. Yes, he is getting frustrated and playing rather soft right now, but to panic and trade him is not very smart. Not to mention all of your potential trades have flawed thinking. Noah straight up? We need potential post scoring...Nene was shooting 62 plus percent for most of the regular season, Noah has ZERO post game. Hibbert is not very athletic and if you think Camby couldn't play proper defense, you aren't going to like much of Hibbert's game either. Spencer Hawes is the same as Hibbert, but has some offense, but not enough to say anything with Hawes would be a good trade. Marc Gasol is very inconsistent as well..more so than Nene... Plus why would these teams with average or better than average big men trade a rookie contract in this economic time unless they were getting a better player in return? The fact is...they would be getting the better player and all those guys you mentioned won't be as effective as Nene when Nene is right. The only way you trade Nene is if you get a player that can make this team elite....none of those players will do that.
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Post#13 » by pickaxe » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:58 am

Or teach Nene to box out. It's not that tough to learn.
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Post#14 » by sportsmikegm23 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:00 am

meloivynene wrote:Or teach Nene to box out. It's not that tough to learn.


LOL, too funny. I have seen him box out a time or 2 already...
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Post#15 » by Meloshow » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:33 am

He has struggled in 3 games and you call him out? Come on. He has put up a great season on both ends of the court and most importantly he has stayed on it. He holds his own very well against players much taller then him and I don't think it's such a glaring problem that we need to get rid if Nene.
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Re: I bet Nene is traded in the summer 

Post#16 » by Teens On Acid » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:57 am

Meloshow wrote:He has struggled in 3 games and you call him out?


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Re: I bet Nene is traded in the summer 

Post#17 » by pickaxe » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:00 pm

Nene's a great player. Sounds like the trick is just getting him in that mental zone, which can be a problem for any player. So replacing him is not going to put us in a better position necessarily. Do we need more physicality down low from a big......yes. A trade is just a lazy way to do it at this point.

In fact, having Nene at power forward and acquiring a Center would be a better idea, but that's neither here nor there since we're in the midst of a successful season and these are the players we have. What Nene needs to accomplish is just get more physical down low and finish at the rim. When he's 2 inches from rim, there is no reason on God's green earth that he should not have a dunk or two free throws.
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Re: I bet Nene is traded in the summer 

Post#18 » by EMB6903 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:38 pm

meloivynene wrote:Or teach Nene to box out. It's not that tough to learn.



I wish the entire team knew how to box out, not just Nene.


Also now that snake said Nene will be traded this summer Im pretty sure its safe to say he will be in Denver for atleast another 2 years...
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Post#19 » by realfung » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:34 pm

Nene goes to the Warriors.
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Post#20 » by RRFB » Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:58 pm

You're over-reacting. You would seriously trade Nene for Noah, Hibbert, or Hawes? Go through our lineup and replace Nene with those names. You can't honestly tell me that we'd be a better team than we are now.

I really I think Nene is just tired. I mean, he hasn't played this many games in a season since... well, ever. And rather than resting him towards the end of the season, Karl continued to give him 35 minutes a night while Balkman and Petro racked up the DNPs.

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