Moss could be cut

[deep throat]

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This from the biggest tool, who claims to be an insider....the only postings you ever made the nearly made sense was that memorable week you were typing while smoking the crack pipe, we all remember that with fondness....he has killed every team he has been on but the Pats are much biiger then your fellow idiot.

#1 He wasn't cut
#2 How did he kill an already dead Raider team?
#3 How did he kill a Viking team? Was it his six straight years of 1200+, maybe the 19/ or 18.7/ or 17.7?
#4 Thanks for following my career on this board, I don't know anything about you and there's probably a good reason for that.

Only lame assss cheds still use out of date terms like "tool" and "smoking the crack pipe"-maybe your on crack spelling 'biiger" seems to indicate someones running a little fast.

BE GONE! Back to your Bucks board and Yi threads.

[Fandom]

This whole thread needs to go.

PFT = Garbage.

Nothing else really needs to be said.

[BuckFan25226]

The bottom line is that Moss is garbage and a team killer....to lazy to practice and they have alot of talent at WR in New England.....what I find utterly hilarious is that only 2 teams GB and NE, had any interest in that scum bag, if NE were to cut him, some tools still would want GB to pick him up.......he would not be in GB's top 3 and he sure as hell would not play special teams....get over it....Moss sucks.

Is it safe to say you don't like Randy Moss?

[Neusch23]

not a bad first game for someone who was rumored to be cut

[deep throat]

not a bad first game for someone who was rumored to be cut

For a guy who is lazy, scum bag, turd, etc. = He did pretty well. That game would be a career single game high for ANY Packer if I'm not mistaken, but I forget he is just an over the hill POS. Glad Ted didn't go for this elite weapon who is really motivated to win and can get seperation like no one else. The Green led Vikings near the end and the Oakland Raiders ran by that insane clown Al Davis were bad situations. That was the steal of the off-season and he could have been a Packer. Oh well, love our defense and Kicker (that may be our best offense this year).

[th87]

Oh, but don't you know? Moss will eventually start dogging it! And just because he does well in NE doesn't mean he'll do well in GB! They have the right situation!

So which excuse will it be, guys?

[InsideOut]

Oh, but don't you know? Moss will eventually start dogging it! And just because he does well in NE doesn't mean he'll do well in GB! They have the right situation!

So which excuse will it be, guys?

I'll go with and honestly believe the Brady can make anyone look good excuse. Favre...not so much so we'll never know what might have been.

So GB could have had Moss and that's a fact? I mean what Moss or any other team did or wanted was meaningless because he was ours just for the taking?

[msiris]

Oh, but don't you know? Moss will eventually start dogging it! And just because he does well in NE doesn't mean he'll do well in GB! They have the right situation!

So which excuse will it be, guys?

I would never question his talant, but only his heart. When things dont go his way he acts like a spoiled little kid. Now he is playing on a very good team to his liken. Wow. He had a great day, but I will credit Brady more than anything. Go Indy.

[Jollay]

Hey, giving up a David Clowney for a Randy Moss or Darell Jackson is fine, but an Allen Barbre or Aaron Rouse?

WHOA, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO MUCH.

And it might jeopardize the entire youth movement.

[deep throat]

I'm just glad to see some of you get it, and can see beyond some of this BS (th87 you read my mind).

When I look at investments (which I do every day) I look at the risk/reward factor #1. You can debate about this and that, but when you look at the potential upside = Reward versus the sacrifice (a 4th rounder and some change) and possiby the loss of some of your unused surplus of cash if you have to let him go=Risk I think this was a no brainer. Bus Cook practically help close the deal for the Packers on Moss. Anyone that thinks that Moss-Favre-Cook weren't dealing a little behind the scenes is pretty naive. From what I heard Davis got sick of TT's nickel and dimeing him over the compensation that he took the Pats offer without giving Ted a chance to re-up.

I like Ted's basic philosophy on drafting "football guys", rather then strictly #'s guys with questionable character (like MS did). The problem is I don't think he has the skill set/makeup to be a top notch guy in other phases of his job description. He's best suited to be "the" guy in charge of drafting, I think he is a little overwelmed in some of the other areas and/or maybe doesn't have the right guys sorrounding him.

[Ayt]

TT could certainly be learning on the job. I think he regrets not getting the Moss trade done and I think that will affect his willingness to be less conservative going forward in aspects besides his drafting. You can't really say he's a conservative drafter considering all the "reaches" he makes on guys he's convinced are the right ones to take.

[th87]

I couldn't agree more, DT.

Acquiring Moss was a complete no-brainer. The compensation wasn't that bad - we've wasted higher draft picks in the past. Money? Doesn't matter, since we're not using any anyway. If he's disruptive, bench him, cut him, or do what the Bucs did to Keyshawn and deactivate him for the season. Not that difficult to do.

The reason people didn't want him was simply because they just didn't LIKE him. As a person. But then they lie and veil it behind, "Oh, he just doesn't have anything left anymore, that's why." How can a team be run by such emo-management? You might say these fans have no bearing on front office decisions, but for Bob Harlan to say that he takes his fan input seriously shows that he'd definitely thought about it. It's that type of emo-management, at the expense of forward thinking that really pisses me off.

You're absolutely right that TT is an amazing judge of talent. His drafts have been masterful for the most part. It's just his negotiation and people skills that are lacking. And it's expected - he's basically a football robot, better suited for personnel, rather than the all-encompassing arena of general management (for now).

That's why we lost Walker - because TT was too rigid to butter Walker up and assure him that he'd be taken care of. That's why Al Davis grew tired of TT's smug antics and shipped Moss off to the Pats.

The sucky thing about all this is that I think we're going to win about 10 games this year, and possibly get to the second round of the playoffs (health, growth permitting). But we'll be pining for that "home run threat" to put us over the top. All the while, our home run threat was sitting there, all dressed up, waiting by the phone for us. And now we get to watch our home run threat dancing with another.

[th87]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7209772

Second guesses: Moss will haunt Packers
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Randy Moss may haunt the Packers all season long. Brett Favre had Moss convinced Green Bay would be a great place to play and the receiver was excited about playing with the future Hall of Famer. Raiders owner Al Davis definitely wanted to trade Moss to the Packers; he hated the idea of sending him to Bill Belichick and the Patriots. He knew the Moss he always wanted would probably shine in New England. And shine he did Sunday with 183 receiving yards and a touchdown on nine receptions from Tom Brady.

Moss didn't make a catch in the preseason, but he proved that the preseason doesn't matter if you're a talented veteran. It would have cost the Packers a fifth-round pick and a measly $4 million to land Moss

[eagle13]

Where are all the Moss haters now?

Moss wouldn't make a difference in wins?

With this O - any weapon would make a difference.

So let's use their old reliable excuse -
I love Brett but he sucks and could not do what Brady does.

We can hope that Jennings and Morency will make a difference.
I am confident they will.

But Moss would have helped. TT blundered. But everyone makes mistakes. I have come to like TT more and praise him when he does well - but he blew it with Moss, maybe Harrell, and perhaps RB.

[deep throat]

TT could certainly be learning on the job. I think he regrets not getting the Moss trade done and I think that will affect his willingness to be less conservative going forward in aspects besides his drafting. You can't really say he's a conservative drafter considering all the "reaches" he makes on guys he's convinced are the right ones to take.

Agreed, but I'm not really sure what a "conservative" drafter is though?

I think his drafting philosophy is pretty clear. If you have followed his few interviews and comments he brings up what New England has done a lot. I think he uses them as a model, as they like to say in the NFL this is a "copy cat" league.

I think he is conservative in the sense that he doesn't gamble on many boom or bust players. Players that come into the combine and put up great #'s /have a lot of talent, but have "character" issues. He brings in guys that usually are labeled as hard workers that should be "productive" pros. I think that is a pretty good philosophy. Sherman was a guy that would take chances on some talented guys that had character "issues" when they came into to the league. We saw how that unfolded- Ahmad Carrol, Joey Thomas, Kenny Peterson, Donnel Washington, etc. (all drafted in 3rd or better, now all OUT of the NFL).

I don't think Ted is conservative in taking a guy who has been injured basically all year and has an injury history a mile long at a position of strength. That is where I think his ego on being the smartest guy in the room took over. It doesn't look like he will contribute much this year. If you want to be completely honest about it - based on what he did in camp and preseason games he probably doesn't make the roster if he had been a free agent rookie.

Again, overall I like Ted drafting I just don't have much confidence in how he conducts free agency/trades (or the lack of). What would I have liked to see?

RB-Tatum Bell(trade), Turner (Trade), C. Brown, etc.
TE-McMichael
WR-Moss
Draft Round #1: With Safety being a top need and Reggie Nelson having similar "value" I thought that would be a no-brainer. I have to admit I haven't followed his progress, but that was a pick that seemed to make a lot of sense. When you can't get ANY production from your mid 1st round pick in year one, you are already in the hole.

[BuckPack]

god damn reading that above really pisses me off.....i said it from the beginning (with you DT), this was Thompson's biggest mistake thus far. I'm still livid he didn't do it/

[eagle13]

god damn reading that above really pisses me off.....i said it from the beginning (with you DT), this was Thompson's biggest mistake thus far. I'm still livid he didn't do it/

I am not as livid but put me on that list.

I said BEFORE DRAFT
get Moss for a pick
get turner or norwood
trade down

[BuckPack]

yes you were eagle....

[ReasonablySober]

So let's use their old reliable excuse -
I love Brett but he sucks and could not do what Brady does.

This is an argument that will never change anyone's opinion. You guys feel one way and I feel another.

My argument boils down to this...

If you put Moss on Cleveland, is he really going to make a major impact? Because that's essentially the offense we have here. Favre's accuracy blows. He's lead the league in overthrows and uncatchable balls now for years. The impact he has in NE simply doesn't equate to what he would do here.

[Jollay]

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This is an argument that will never change anyone's opinion. You guys feel one way and I feel another.

My argument boils down to this...

If you put Moss on Cleveland, is he really going to make a major impact? Because that's essentially the offense we have here. Favre's accuracy blows. He's lead the league in overthrows and uncatchable balls now for years. The impact he has in NE simply doesn't equate to what he would do here.

Stop. If you can't see Favre's value over Charlie Frye's alone, you're just being ridiculous, or the value of just a guy who has played as long as Favre over the Browns QBS you are just being silly.

Hey, Steve McNair's value has slipped a little too. As has his mobility. And his accuracy.

And the Ravens are thanking God they have him starting right now every frickin minute.