Ron Ron needs more touches....

[Guy986]

in the post. The blazers are playing Steve Blake, Rudy Fernandez and Roy a tons of minutes in the 5th game. Blake is 180. Fernandez is 190. Roy is 210.

None of those guys should be able to check Ron in the post. If they put Fernandez on Artest, he has a near 60 pound advantage on him. Fenandez doesn't like to bang, Artest should be able to abuse him to the point where he'll want to go back to spain and cry to his mama like our old friend V-span. If they put Roy on ARtest, that'll just give Artest more opportunity to wear him down. Ron on the perimeter is a chucker. In the post, he's a beast. Its time to unleash the beast. I wouldn't mind Tru Warier banging the hell out of them in the paint.

I expect Coach A to make this adjustment in game 6. For this to work, Yao and Scola has to be able to knock down those 17 foot jumpers.

[MaxRider]

i don't understand why Ron Raon aint doing more post up in the post like Bonzi did to Spurs?

[Rendezvous]

i don't understand why Ron Raon aint doing more post up in the post like Bonzi did to Spurs?

Jumpshot Happy

[BaYBaller]

That's already what Adelman has Artest trying to do the past few games. The problem is he's getting swatted by weakside defenders everytime. It's partly due to poor spacing but mainly Artest failing to recognize what the defense is giving him and kicking it out to the open man.

It's obvious to see from how POR is guarding Artest that it's a huge concern for them. They have been outright hard doubling on catch or digging in on him in the post everytime.

[Guy986]

That's already what Adelman has Artest trying to do the past few games. The problem is he's getting swatted by weakside defenders everytime. It's partly due to poor spacing but mainly Artest failing to recognize what the defense is giving him and kicking it out to the open man.

It's obvious to see from how POR is guarding Artest that it's a huge concern for them. They have been outright hard doubling on catch or digging in on him in the post everytime.

He's gotta do a better job. Out of the 9 shots he took in game 5, i think atleast 6 of them were desperate fadeaway jumpshot off the dribble. That ain't gonna cut it.

[stockmarketgod]

That's already what Adelman has Artest trying to do the past few games. The problem is he's getting swatted by weakside defenders everytime. It's partly due to poor spacing but mainly Artest failing to recognize what the defense is giving him and kicking it out to the open man.

It's obvious to see from how POR is guarding Artest that it's a huge concern for them. They have been outright hard doubling on catch or digging in on him in the post everytime.

He's gotta do a better job. Out of the 9 shots he took in game 5, i think atleast 6 of them were desperate fadeaway jumpshot off the dribble. That ain't gonna cut it.

I think Artest is a nut case, give him the ball in the post and he will dribble it to the 3 point line and lauch a off balance fade away, with no one on him

id much rather have Artest concentrate on shutting down Roy... and give the ball to Scola if there is no pass to Yao

[moofs]

I think Artest is a nut case, give him the ball in the post and he will dribble it to the 3 point line and lauch a off balance fade away, with no one on him

id much rather have Artest concentrate on shutting down Roy... and give the ball to Scola if there is no pass to Yao

That's been my preference all year. That and spot-up 3's and the OCCASIONAL drive to help keep defenses honest. Oh well. Don't know how this whole "Ron's great in the post" myth came about. He ALWAYS gets owned by the weakside when he posts. Maybe if the other 4 players all boxed their defenders out of the lane? (my mental image of this situation is funny looking)

[Guy986]

I think Artest is a nut case, give him the ball in the post and he will dribble it to the 3 point line and lauch a off balance fade away, with no one on him

id much rather have Artest concentrate on shutting down Roy... and give the ball to Scola if there is no pass to Yao

That's been my preference all year. That and spot-up 3's and the OCCASIONAL drive to help keep defenses honest. Oh well. Don't know how this whole "Ron's great in the post" myth came about. He ALWAYS gets owned by the weakside when he posts. Maybe if the other 4 players all boxed their defenders out of the lane? (my mental image of this situation is funny looking)

Its not that he's this great post player. But he's got 60 pounds on his immediate defender. That's a bigger advantage than anybody they throw at Yao Ming.

[moofs]

Its not that he's this great post player. But he's got 60 pounds on his immediate defender. That's a bigger advantage than anybody they throw at Yao Ming.

Yes, but if he backs them down too fast, it's a charge (happened several times in the RS). If he backs them down too slow, he's subject to the Barkley rule (haven't actually seen this rule called in a while). If he gets the ball in position he still has to make his move before the weak side can make it over, and he tends to not be able to make it fast enough for that, but even when he makes it before his defender gets there, he still has Yao-like elevation and isn't THAT tall, which leaves him open to an on-ball block. Not only that, but since his passing can be suspect at times, it's safer for the defender to leave for a double team without needing to worry about a dump pass to the open man (much like how it is with Landry and as I just noticed BayBaller already pointed out - "The problem is he's getting swatted by weakside defenders everytime. It's partly due to poor spacing but mainly Artest failing to recognize what the defense is giving him and kicking it out to the open man.").

[grond]

That's already what Adelman has Artest trying to do the past few games. The problem is he's getting swatted by weakside defenders everytime. It's partly due to poor spacing but mainly Artest failing to recognize what the defense is giving him and kicking it out to the open man.

It's obvious to see from how POR is guarding Artest that it's a huge concern for them. They have been outright hard doubling on catch or digging in on him in the post everytime.

Yes. Add to that they're doing a lot of (quite effective) fronting on him as well.

[Guy986]

Its not that he's this great post player. But he's got 60 pounds on his immediate defender. That's a bigger advantage than anybody they throw at Yao Ming.

Yes, but if he backs them down too fast, it's a charge (happened several times in the RS). If he backs them down too slow, he's subject to the Barkley rule (haven't actually seen this rule called in a while). If he gets the ball in position he still has to make his move before the weak side can make it over, and he tends to not be able to make it fast enough for that, but even when he makes it before his defender gets there, he still has Yao-like elevation and isn't THAT tall, which leaves him open to an on-ball block. Not only that, but since his passing can be suspect at times, it's safer for the defender to leave for a double team without needing to worry about a dump pass to the open man (much like how it is with Landry and as I just noticed BayBaller already pointed out - "The problem is he's getting swatted by weakside defenders everytime. It's partly due to poor spacing but mainly Artest failing to recognize what the defense is giving him and kicking it out to the open man.").

You make me a sad panda.

So that means Ron is really just a jacked up but limited offensive player? If he can't post up smaller guards, then he really has no advantage over anyone.

[moofs]

Sadder panda = check http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ron_artes ... stats.html

(CAUTION: Information contained in link is NOT PRETTY.)

About the only time I liked him on offense in the regular season was when he was shooting stationary 3's from within the 45 -> 135 degree range of the 3p arc. I haven't liked his defense since he's been here, his drives and posts make me cringe. I've reduced the involuntary twitching I get from his midrange jumper, but it's still not pretty. Don't expect him signed to anything more than a midlevel next season if it's from us. (might enter a catatonic state from the shock if it ends up otherwise)

[stockmarketgod]

Its not that he's this great post player. But he's got 60 pounds on his immediate defender. That's a bigger advantage than anybody they throw at Yao Ming.

Yes, but if he backs them down too fast, it's a charge (happened several times in the RS). If he backs them down too slow, he's subject to the Barkley rule (haven't actually seen this rule called in a while). If he gets the ball in position he still has to make his move before the weak side can make it over, and he tends to not be able to make it fast enough for that, but even when he makes it before his defender gets there, he still has Yao-like elevation and isn't THAT tall, which leaves him open to an on-ball block. Not only that, but since his passing can be suspect at times, it's safer for the defender to leave for a double team without needing to worry about a dump pass to the open man (much like how it is with Landry and as I just noticed BayBaller already pointed out - "The problem is he's getting swatted by weakside defenders everytime. It's partly due to poor spacing but mainly Artest failing to recognize what the defense is giving him and kicking it out to the open man.").

You make me a sad panda.

So that means Ron is really just a jacked up but limited offensive player? If he can't post up smaller guards, then he really has no advantage over anyone.

Artest has come out a couple of games shooting hot... but then he seems to go cold especially in the 4th,

I have no problem with him taking his off balance fade aways, if his shot is going in, but once they stop going in, he needs smarten up and pass it to either Scola or Yao

really when it gets into the second half most times we have been ahead, we need his defense to get stops, to me when your up by like 6 to 10 points, and can get stops... it means more than putting up points

[Teckon]

Rockets should keep their game plan simple.. Get Yao more touches rather than Artest. Artest is unpredictable, he can pass the ball like his 9 assists in Game 4 but he shot 5-20 in Game 4 too. If Artest got more touches, no one will know whether he will pass more, post more, or simply chuck them up. Why take such a big risk? I would prefer to limit his touches.

Battier should have more touches as he seem to be the only one capable of passing to Yao. In this series, whenever Battier has a good game, Rockets won.

[Iggyemu]

Touches for what? So he can take a couple dribbles and launch a contested 3? Or he can attempt to drive and turn it over? Artest is fine...

If he shoots better and takes better shots he'll get more touches. Right now we just need to put forth the type of team effort that got us to this point.

[Sports Arsenal]

Artest has been a black hole for this offense in the playoffs. Every time he has the ball it seems like he takes an ill-advised shot or turns the ball over trying to put on a dribbling expo or make a bad pass. I think Artest needs less touches, and the touches he does get need to be in the post. Artest does not have point guard capabilities, why does he try to?

[wilt]

The only aditional touches i want him to receive don´t actually qualify as "touches" but rather as "slaps" and those should be directed to his head. Preferably from above as in "from that 7´6 guy" ... Seriously, someone needs to put some sense into the guy, he´s simply not doing a good job on offense at all. Plus his defense is lacking as well, he´s not doing the little unspectacular things and coasts through a lot of posessions.
And Yao/Scola score plenty in the post, no need to clog it up further.

Maybe Yao should start wearing a basket-shaped hat ? Yeah, the passes would propably be tough to catch but it would be passes ...

Artests thinking "wait, why does this basket move ? Maybe i should pass ? Nah, i´ll shoot anway" and suddenly it´s a pass

[tisbee]

Guy,
None of the Rocket bigs can shoot 3s,whereas in Sac Brad Miller could. The Rocket big have to stay near low-post/hi-post where their man is readily available to help out on Ron.
In Sac he was the PF-weighing 20-30 pds more than now-and had Martin,Bibby spacing the floor,as well as Miller. Bonzi would be cutting in and out and his man was afraid to leave him. So in Sac Ron had lots of room in the low-post,where in Hou there's much more congestion.

Besides,if the Rockets can't figure out how to get it Yao,how do you expect them to get it to Ron?

[moofs]

The only aditional touches i want him to receive don´t actually qualify as "touches" but rather as "slaps" and those should be directed to his head. Preferably from above as in "from that 7´6 guy" ... Seriously, someone needs to put some sense into the guy, he´s simply not doing a good job on offense at all. Plus his defense is lacking as well, he´s not doing the little unspectacular things and coasts through a lot of posessions.
And Yao/Scola score plenty in the post, no need to clog it up further.

Maybe Yao should start wearing a basket-shaped hat ? Yeah, the passes would propably be tough to catch but it would be passes ...

Artests thinking "wait, why does this basket move ? Maybe i should pass ? Nah, i´ll shoot anway" and suddenly it´s a pass

POST OF THE YEAR NOMINATION

[Guy986]

Touches for what? So he can take a couple dribbles and launch a contested 3? Or he can attempt to drive and turn it over? Artest is fine...

If he shoots better and takes better shots he'll get more touches. Right now we just need to put forth the type of team effort that got us to this point.

You didn't read my post did you? I said he needs more touches in the post.