Could Ainge decide to cut ties with Tony this off-season?

[MyInsatiableOne]

This. For the Tony supporters, name me one other player on the C's who makes as many STUPID, untimely, and costly (sometimes the game!) fouls as TA? Hmmmmm??

But it DIDN'T cost us the game. The human memory is flawed. You don't like the guy so all his mistakes you remember and exaggerate..

It *could* have cost us...it kept letting the Bulls tie it or pull closer, all the while stopping the clock. The point is, there was no benefit in having TA out there...Mikki Moore could have committed those fouls, and looked like less of an idiot while doing it.

Pete, I am shocked you hate Davis but love TA...I am slowly coming around to Davis, but more than anything, he's a relatively smart player...TA is a stupid PERSON, let alone basketball player...

[GuyClinch]

^^^ Point is when Scalabrine or Ray costs us a game - people don't remember. Like I said rarely has a player with a positive impact (even if mild) been so vilified as Tony Allen.

[7seventynine9]

I used to like Tony Allen and thought the hate he received was unwarranted.

With that said, the reason people dont forget when Tony Allen potentially costs us a game is because the mistakes he makes are beyond stupid. Hes like the GM Isiah Thomas of basketball players.

[humblebum]

I'm with Pete on this one, I thought that Tony played some very respectable and tough defense on Gordon one on one down the stretch. He just played a bit over-aggressive and Gordon took advantage of it by smartly exaggerating the contact (as any scorer would do).

Doc has made a critical error in this series by not playing Tony Allen earlier and more often. Eddie House is entirely worthless in playoff basketball. Your only hope with Eddie is that the other team magically forgets to cover him on the perimeter, that's not going to happen very often.

Tony will make Gordon or Rose or Hinrich work extremely hard to get free. And if he simply focuses on playing within himself offensively he'll be a big plus out there. If Doc continues to go with Eddie in this series over Tony Allen I'll be convinced that Doc is still envisioning regular season Eddie House. In the Post-season Eddie has been downright ATROCIOUS.

[armageddon]

I was flipping between the C's game and the Sox with the TIVO. After watching Lugo blow another game (and in his first game back) I flipped back to the C's game and watch TA fouling jumpshooters, while we had a lead and when we wanted the clock to run down. I turned to my family and said ... TA is the C's Lugo.

[MyInsatiableOne]

I used to like Tony Allen and thought the hate he received was unwarranted.

With that said, the reason people dont forget when Tony Allen potentially costs us a game is because the mistakes he makes are beyond stupid. Hes like the GM Isiah Thomas of basketball players.

No kidding...there's messing up and then there's TONY ALLEN messing up...he makes stupider mistakes than anyone else on the team. And Pete, when Scal, for instance, almost cost us a regular season game when he fouled in the in-bounds, yes that was an incredibly stupid play, but off the top of my head is the only one I can think of. I can reel of quite a few stupid TA plays, however!

[Celtics_85]

Put some of the blame on Doc as Tony hasn't played many minutes in this series or at the end of the year. Then you want the guy to come in and be error free? Maybe it is your thought process that is flawed, and maybe you better look at all the other mistakes by all the other teamates that allowed this game to be so tight in the first place. It is a flaw to bash Tony for an error in what few minutes he played and forget about all the errors our starters made in the many minutes they played. As said in earlier post that you can only bash a guy you have dislike for when this is a team game and all the errors throughout the game accumulate to cause what comes in the end. Sometimes your posts are as funnt as Tony's mistakes, but we don't bash you.

[MyInsatiableOne]

I know TA hasn't played many minutes but it doesn't take repeated reps to NOT jump on a guy when he's taking a 3 late in the game, or to jump on his back after he blows by you going to the hoop. That's called common sense and BBIQ, both of which TA seems to lack. For me it's simply the fact that he hasn't brought enough *good* play to the table on a consistent basis to counter the atrocious mistakes and decisions he constantly seems to make. We all make mistakes from time to time but with TA it's a habit and it hurts the team...

[GuyClinch]

Gordon jumped into TONY. That was pretty text book defense. The Tony hate is misguided. Now Ray Allen lack of a foul - that was more questionable, IMHO. That was an actual mental BBIQ error. But he gets a free pass..

[MyInsatiableOne]

With all he's done over his career and with the C's, Ray has MORE than enough cachet to be forgiven for that play...

[TommyPoints]

I've been a Tony hater for a long time. Maybe we NEED him, but I can't stand watching him play thet majority of the time. He has his moments where he shines, but his low IQ more than cancel it out for me. I keep waiting for him to "get it".

[MyInsatiableOne]

I've been a Tony hater for a long time. Maybe we NEED him, but I can't stand watching him play thet majority of the time. He has his moments where he shines, but his low IQ more than cancel it out for me. I keep waiting for him to "get it".

CelticGamecock, good to see you man, it's been a while!!!
How are things in SC? I moved back to New England in August of last year but I miss Clemson/Greenville like crazy!

[Celtics_85]

I like Tony, and what what it is worth, he isn't playing at a level he should be. Maybe you look at the fact that he really doesn't fill a role on this team which isn't a real comfortable feeling. I say we could use him over House right now, who hasn't played well either. I think the big problem is not having the right player in the SF spot with TA. He doesn't fit well playing SF next to House and either we need to find someone to fit that bill or package Tony and House to find a guy to play the third wing off the bench.

[campybatman]

Put some of the blame on Doc as Tony hasn't played many minutes in this series or at the end of the year. Then you want the guy to come in and be error free?

For a player that was envisioned to be the team's sixth man prior to this season. He hasn't really gotten the opportunity to see if the shoe fits. True, Rivers should shoulder some of the blame too. However, like West when he was a Celtic, it becomes a game with Tony of guessing when the next time he'll get injured.

[campybatman]

Tony really hasn't been that effective in this first round series. It's as if Rivers goes to him in a pinch for defense, but Tony becomes instead a liability.

[Fencer reregistered]

I don't care how much cover Tommy gave him for those being tough late shot-clock shots -- Tony's two misses on a row were brutal, as if he didn't even have an idea of how to try to score effectively.

[armageddon]

And how the hell does Doc not play TA the whole game then think he's needed in the last 2 minutes. Same result 2 games in row. This time he come in, his player scores 2 straight possesions and he misses 2 shots. 8 point lead gone, game gone. Only difference was he was a little more subtly stupid.

[MyInsatiableOne]

Yep....that's TA for you...

[ryaningf]

And how the hell does Doc not play TA the whole game then think he's needed in the last 2 minutes. Same result 2 games in row. This time he come in, his player scores 2 straight possesions and he misses 2 shots. 8 point lead gone, game gone. Only difference was he was a little more subtly stupid.

Are we watching the same game? I seem to remember MIller hitting a three (Perk blew that assignment), then Miller hitting a layup (Perk got beat off the dribble) and Salmons driving past Pierce for an And-1.

Those shots TA missed were because we quit attacking the Bulls and consistently started our possession with less than 10 seconds left on the shot clock...the ball got thrown to TA late in the shotclock and he did his best to get a shot on a rim. The hate on TA, as usual, is misplaced.