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Re: Posey on the trading block...... 

Post#21 » by GreenMachine » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:30 pm

Some of you people are straight NUTS. Posey is going down fast... you want him 4 years from now when he is 35??? Making more money then Perk, Rondo and Baby combined?

I know those 3 will be making a lot more in 4 years - but I also know there are WAY WAY WAY better ways to spend your money then on the 35 year old Posey. DA was 1000000% right. It's not the money - it's the length of the contract.
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Re: Posey on the trading block...... 

Post#22 » by ParticleMan » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:31 pm

You guys seem to think that the only way to be successful is to have everyone in EXACTLY the roles we had last year. That's just not true. There are many ways to win. For my part, I'd rather have a PF that gets rebounds and bangs inside than one that floats out beyond the arc and keeps the D "honest".

For all the pining for Posey and PJ, they were BY FAR our two statistically worst players in the rotation, both offensively and defensively.

And I don't see how we're missing them defensively anyway. Who would Posey guard on the Bulls? Hinrich? Gordon? Rose? He doesn't nearly have the quickness for any of them. He' d guard Salmons, which means Pierce has to guard a much quicker player, which is bad. As for PJ, length isn't everything. He's a good defender, but Baby has been quite good. Baby is actually a better help defender, and Powe is good 1-on-1. So I don't think we've missed PJ at all. In fact, PJ sucks so bad offensively that I doubt he'd even get PT this year. It was a miracle that PJ hit that one shot against the Cavs, but frankly Baby can make that shot with regularity now.

Overall, I don't think Posey would be a big help to us, and PJ certainly wouldn't. Our team has improved this year; it's only the injury situation that has made us worse. We won 62 games with KG missing 1/3 of the season and lots of other injuries too. Last year we were amazingly healthy. I don't think it's debatable that a healthy squad this year is better than last year's.
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Re: Posey on the trading block...... 

Post#23 » by MyInsatiableOne » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:45 pm

I never said I wanted Posey. I only mentioned, in reference to the guy above who said Powe and Baby were "just as good" as Posey, is that Posey spread the floor better last season. I NEVER said I wanted him back...
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Post#24 » by TXSun » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:30 pm

I never thought a role player was gonna take them over the hump anyway. Horrible move in the Hornets part.
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Post#25 » by 7seventynine9 » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:52 pm

With the way Tyson Chandler has played, Id be trying to get rid of him for nothing too.
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Post#26 » by MaxwellSmart » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:56 pm

GreenMachine wrote:Some of you people are straight NUTS. Posey is going down fast... you want him 4 years from now when he is 35??? Making more money then Perk, Rondo and Baby combined?

I know those 3 will be making a lot more in 4 years - but I also know there are WAY WAY WAY better ways to spend your money then on the 35 year old Posey. DA was 1000000% right. It's not the money - it's the length of the contract.


Disagree....The Big 3 only have 3 a year window---Who gives a S**t about Posey's 4th year of a contract (woulda been a HUGE expiring contract)---when you HAVE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE of the Big 3 NOW...NOT in 4 years....I love DA---but I do think he Screwed up on this one....By not signing Posey--He left us NO ROOM FOR ERROR---and we are seeing the results.
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Re: Posey on the trading block...... 

Post#27 » by chakdaddy » Fri May 1, 2009 1:16 am

ParticleMan wrote:And I don't see how we're missing them defensively anyway. Who would Posey guard on the Bulls? Hinrich? Gordon? Rose? He doesn't nearly have the quickness for any of them. He' d guard Salmons, which means Pierce has to guard a much quicker player, which is bad. As for PJ, length isn't everything. He's a good defender, but Baby has been quite good. Baby is actually a better help defender, and Powe is good 1-on-1. So I don't think we've missed PJ at all. In fact, PJ sucks so bad offensively that I doubt he'd even get PT this year. It was a miracle that PJ hit that one shot against the Cavs, but frankly Baby can make that shot with regularity now.



Come on now. PJ was a capable backup 4/5 who was over 6-8. Posey was a capable backup 3 who was over 6-4. We have NEITHER on the roster now. Noah wouldn't be all over the boards and thriving on garbage if PJ were around, or if Mikki Moore were a capable NBA player.

The Bulls are fairly unique in that Posey wouldn't be needed except to avoid playing Mikki. But you SERIOUSLY think that it would be a good idea to wear Pierce and Ray out guarding Lebron and Kobe the whole game? Or that those guys wouldn't laugh and just shoot over TA all day if he tried to guard them?
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Re: Posey on the trading block...... 

Post#28 » by Maple Green » Fri May 1, 2009 1:26 am

The winner are:
DA- he refuse to signed Posey because he knows the real value of Posey
Posey- he got what he want despite of his age

Loser:
New Orleans-they believed that Posey can whim his magical wand to the team.
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Re: Posey on the trading block...... 

Post#29 » by Kefa461 » Fri May 1, 2009 12:34 pm

I love heinsohn wrote:I wonder if the Hornets would consider throwing something "extra" the Celtics way for taking Posey's contract off their hands. Maybe something like Posey, a future 1st and a bit of cash for Scal, House and Giddens. If the C's bring back Steph, that leaves a pretty clear rotation of:
Rondo/Steph
Ray/TA/Walker
Pierce/Posey
KG/Baby/(Posey)/Powe
Perk/Sheed?

Adding a pick and extra salary (Sheed+Posey's last two years) will be contingent on ownership, but if they are willing to invest then I think DA can rebuild the team on the fly. Cutting Pierce/KG/Ray's minutes down to about 30 a night in the regular season will definitely be necessary if this team wants to compete for a championship next year. With better reserves ready to step up for 20-25 minutes a game, I could easily see another 60 win season, but with far less effort expended.


Nice idea imo...

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Re: Posey on the trading block...... 

Post#30 » by celticfan42487 » Fri May 1, 2009 7:28 pm

Scalabrine and Tony Allen for Posey!

If NO gets pushy and wants to rebuild. Scal+TA+Giddens for Posey and a second rounder in this year's draft.

Man, after seeing Moore... we have some of the toughest players in the league on the team. Rondo, Pierce, KG, Perk, Tony Allen, Powe.... all very very tough players.

Posey is a tough player, that makes extraordinary high IQ plays. And is an absolute instigator. As well as a knock down 3 point shooter.

The salary was too much, but Scal + Tony= Posey's salary. So it's tick for tat. And that gives us some depth that we desperately need. Even Giddens for a second rounder adds some flexibility to our cap by having a non-guaranteed contract instead of a guaranteed one.

Use the MLE for a real big or a backup PG. Hell if we're able to re-sign Baby for a reasonable price maybe just a backup PG!
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Re: Posey on the trading block...... 

Post#31 » by humblebum » Sat May 2, 2009 3:15 am

I haven't really look but I imagine there might be some better trade targets out there than Posey at such long years.
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Re: Posey on the trading block...... 

Post#32 » by Avalanche » Sat May 2, 2009 7:46 am

its all well and good to say we cant over-pay guys.. but we NEED a bench, somehow

and not second round picks and unproven cheap guys
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