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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#281 » by crazyeights » Tue May 5, 2009 10:37 am

tlifeset wrote:Okay, I needed some time to gather my thoughts before I went full steam into a Real GM Rant. Let me first say that I was happy we were playing Houston because they are a tough opponent that will probably push this series to 7 games and make LA work for every basket.

Now, having said all that. I'll credit Houston with a very impressive win. They played great. But I'm not really attributing their defense to the Lakers poor offensive production. They just went cold ... all of them. Even Kobe. And there will be games like, if you can steal them ... great. If not, well it wasn't meant to be and we almost stole it.

I'm with a lot of you ... I am really really tired of Phil's games. Everybody could see that Fisher couldn't cover Brooks for over a quarter. Yet, it too Phil that long to make the adjustment because he's so damned stubborn. That's part one. Part two is ... why in god's name was nobody posting up Brooks???? Make Adelman adjust his roster. You have go to expose a 5"7 player ... you can't let him dominate like that.

Same thing with Bynum. Look, I'll be the first to admit that Bynum is slightly lost right now and not exactly as nimble as I'd like to see on defense or offense. Having said that, he produced when he was on the floor and he made Yao work for his points ... and more importantly, made Brooks and others think twice about coming in the paint. If it wasn't for Artest's hot shooting ... his +/- would have been great. Yeah, he fouls too much and the refs have it in for him a little bit. But so what if he fouls out ... it's no more psychological damage than Phil is causing by mysteriously benching players that need playing time to work out the kinks.

There are games when the shots aren't dropping and that's why they say defense wins. You can always count for defense. And all defense is, is a combination of strategy, trust and effort. Well, I didn't see a lack of effort ... and they clearly trust each other on help D. But the strategy was a mess. This loss is on Phil ... he could have made Artest have to put the ball on the floor more and he certainly could have made Brooks think twice about coming in the paint. But he didn't ... he chose to sacrifice a game one win for the betterment of his players in life. This is the same crap he pulled last year in the Boston series. He sits on his hands and absolutely refuses to make adjustments.

If I were Jim Buss I would send Mr. Phil Jackson a kind text message after the game ... Play Bynum more or kindly get yourself thrown out of the next game.


Yes. Yes. And yes.

This is what a post is about, man.

Fish is killing us these playoffs, it's absolutely disgusting how bad he is. Now I'm not huge on +/- I've never really given it much credit, it's usually something you see in the box score and go Oh really? That's interesting...

So it's sort of patheitic when you actually, in game, notice a player worsening a team. Derek Fisher needs to not play anymore. If he's not shooting lights out on the three, then he's actually completely worthless.

He can't shoot a layup, he can't guard quick guards, he can't handle, play-make, rebound...he's a streaky shooter and this is was not his day. When that becomes apparent we need to do something about it...only coaches have their favorites, guys who they "trust" and they don't go with in-game, day-to-day reality.

As far as Fisher goes, let's start hoping he gets into foul trouble, because PJ's not subbing him out late in games ever. Honestly, Phil loves D-Fish...he's his first choice for PG he's ever coached (his words not mine).

The Lakers were rusty. Plain and simple. Personally I'm glad we're not having a cakewalk to the finals this year. I'm glad we got punched in the mouth. Because we eased through the playoffs last year and look where it got us. You need to be battle tested. It's on now. If you're going to win a championship you can't be afraid to lose, you can't be afraid to have your back against the wall.

Next game I hope to see some sort of offense run, less iso, more Bynum, less Fish and more points.
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#282 » by Dr Aki » Tue May 5, 2009 12:35 pm

guys i didnt watch the game because i had work

can someone answer me a few questions?

1. how did bynum do in general?, judging by the boxscore, not very well. but id like some perspective. and should phil start fronting yao?
2. were ariza and fish WIDE OPEN on those looks from 3? or were they contested hoists? im thinking 2 more threes throughout the course of the game and rockets wouldnt be getting fouled by the lakers trying to extend the game.
3. did lamar get into early foul trouble? there doesn't seem to have been much impact from lamar.
4. it looked like brooks killed us in the boxscore, was it because fish was too slow? and should phil have played shannon and/or farmar to try to negate that speed?
5. judging by the assist totals, were there too many iso plays being run? or was kobe trying to score 40 on ron-ron?
6. in general, how out of sync did the lakers look? they had 3 more days of rest over houston and i was wondering whether it showed when it came to being in good rhythm
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#283 » by hermes » Tue May 5, 2009 1:58 pm

i didn't see the whole game either but here's what i got

1. got it going on offense some, and then never returned
2. ya fish and trevor were WIDE open, just weren't falling last night
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4. fish could not stay with him at all, need more farmar and shannon
5. kobe was trying to get the team back in the game, so he had to take a lot of shots because on one else could hit anything
6. they were a mess, houston controlled the tempo of the game, we got some shots we wanted but couldn't hit them, didn't get much of anything going in the post
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#284 » by hermes » Tue May 5, 2009 2:02 pm

a positive was the number of turnovers we forced
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#285 » by Twizman » Tue May 5, 2009 2:24 pm

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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#286 » by BballFanAddict » Tue May 5, 2009 5:12 pm

The Lakers lost last night for the same reason Portland lost Game 1 in the first round to Houston. Houston came out and imposed their will by playing VERY physically. LA was not ready for it last night.

During the Portland / Houston series, Phil Jackson commented on how much more physical the series between Portland and Houston was when compared to LA and Utah. I am sure Phil understood how Houston was going to come out, but apparently the Lakers, like the Blazers, had to live through one game before knowing what exactly to expect.

The Lakers will adjust, like the Blazers, and they will take Game 2 with relative ease. I then expect LA to win 1 of 2 in Houston, too - probably even the first game in Houston. Lakers will win in 6.

I want Houston to win, but that does not cloud my logic and understanding of the game. LA is simply the better team.
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#287 » by kungriffey » Tue May 5, 2009 6:09 pm

Asianiac_24 wrote:We should consider Jason Kapono from Toronto. Vujacic and Fisher are **** garbage

As a Raptors fan...it would be the happiest day of my life if we could get rid of Jason Kapono...he's a traveling machine and has a horrible contract
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#288 » by snaquille oatmeal » Tue May 5, 2009 6:57 pm

BballFanAddict wrote:The Lakers lost last night for the same reason Portland lost Game 1 in the first round to Houston. Houston came out and imposed their will by playing VERY physically. LA was not ready for it last night.

yes, the Lakers lost game 1 because they don't have playoff experiance

BballFanAddict wrote:During the Portland / Houston series, Phil Jackson commented on how much more physical the series between Portland and Houston was when compared to LA and Utah. I am sure Phil understood how Houston was going to come out, but apparently the Lakers, like the Blazers, had to live through one game before knowing what exactly to expect.
seven days off had nothing to do with the rusty jumpshooting, nothing I tells ya.

BballFanAddict wrote:The Lakers will adjust, like the Blazers, and they will take Game 2 with relative ease. I then expect LA to win 1 of 2 in Houston, too - probably even the first game in Houston. Lakers will win in 6.
hope you are Nostrodamus

BballFanAddict wrote:I want Houston to win, but that does not cloud my logic and understanding of the game. LA is simply the better team.
so does that mean that if Houston wins you would be disappointed that the better team didn't advance? :P
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#289 » by DEEP3CL » Tue May 5, 2009 9:25 pm

BballFanAddict wrote:The Lakers lost last night for the same reason Portland lost Game 1 in the first round to Houston. Houston came out and imposed their will by playing VERY physically. LA was not ready for it last night.

During the Portland / Houston series, Phil Jackson commented on how much more physical the series between Portland and Houston was when compared to LA and Utah. I am sure Phil understood how Houston was going to come out, but apparently the Lakers, like the Blazers, had to live through one game before knowing what exactly to expect.

The Lakers will adjust, like the Blazers, and they will take Game 2 with relative ease. I then expect LA to win 1 of 2 in Houston, too - probably even the first game in Houston. Lakers will win in 6.

I want Houston to win, but that does not cloud my logic and understanding of the game. LA is simply the better team.
Nice post BF, at least your thinking with common sense. And I'm not saying that just because I'm a Lakers fan either.......bball IQ is sorely lacking here some times.
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#290 » by DEEP3CL » Tue May 5, 2009 9:26 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:
BballFanAddict wrote:The Lakers lost last night for the same reason Portland lost Game 1 in the first round to Houston. Houston came out and imposed their will by playing VERY physically. LA was not ready for it last night.

yes, the Lakers lost game 1 because they don't have playoff experiance

BballFanAddict wrote:During the Portland / Houston series, Phil Jackson commented on how much more physical the series between Portland and Houston was when compared to LA and Utah. I am sure Phil understood how Houston was going to come out, but apparently the Lakers, like the Blazers, had to live through one game before knowing what exactly to expect.
seven days off had nothing to do with the rusty jumpshooting, nothing I tells ya.

BballFanAddict wrote:The Lakers will adjust, like the Blazers, and they will take Game 2 with relative ease. I then expect LA to win 1 of 2 in Houston, too - probably even the first game in Houston. Lakers will win in 6.
hope you are Nostrodamus

BballFanAddict wrote:I want Houston to win, but that does not cloud my logic and understanding of the game. LA is simply the better team.
so does that mean that if Houston wins you would be disappointed that the better team didn't advance? :P
You gotta make a joke of everything don't you.
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SmartWentCrazy wrote:It's extremely unlikely that they end up in the top 3.They're probably better off trying to win and giving Philly the 8th pick than tanking and giving them the 4th.
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#291 » by snaquille oatmeal » Tue May 5, 2009 9:48 pm

^^^^always look in the bright side of life :guitar:

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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#292 » by Slava » Tue May 5, 2009 10:17 pm

Did Pau post up atleast once in the entire game? i just don't remember an instance.
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#293 » by NetsForce » Tue May 5, 2009 10:30 pm

Sometimes I feel bad for the Lakers if they lose one game it's the end of the world / they suck, if they win a game it's because they were supposed to win it...
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#294 » by DEEP3CL » Tue May 5, 2009 10:38 pm

NetsForce wrote:Sometimes I feel bad for the Lakers if they lose one game it's the end of the world / they suck, if they win a game it's because they were supposed to win it...
Just the way it is bro, but most long time fans like myself know it's not the end of the world. You gotta face some adversity if you wanna enjoy the big prize. It's the newbies that freak out.
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SmartWentCrazy wrote:It's extremely unlikely that they end up in the top 3.They're probably better off trying to win and giving Philly the 8th pick than tanking and giving them the 4th.
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#295 » by snaquille oatmeal » Wed May 6, 2009 12:16 am

welcome back Nestsforce. your wisdom was missed in the GB.
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Re: Game #1 WC Semi Finals Rockets @ Lakers Monday 5/4/09 7:30 

Post#296 » by NetsForce » Wed May 6, 2009 3:37 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:welcome back Nestsforce. your wisdom was missed in the GB.


How is the GB nowadays, is it still full of Lebronuts and Wade Whiners? :D

I've been spending a lot of time on the Knicks board because it's basically like the general board only some of the posters are even more delusional.

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