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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#21 » by Kefa461 » Tue May 5, 2009 10:50 am

Celts17Pride wrote:
Kefa461 wrote:I think.....just speaking for me.....Rondo has a problem with Steph. It may come out later. There is a problem there. It affects how Rondo plays his game, hopefully it will make him better.


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Anymore fairy tales you would like to share?

The only thing that affected Rondo's game was his head in his @ss.


Like I said It's my opinion......I said that up front..........fairy tales if you like.


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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#22 » by MyInsatiableOne » Tue May 5, 2009 11:35 am

ARB729 wrote:truthfully,

i love doc, but that was terrible..

i love rondo, but that was terrible..

i love ray, but that was terrible.


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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#23 » by UGA Hayes » Tue May 5, 2009 12:56 pm

Honestly, and correct me if I was wrong, but I was more upset that we didn't have any practice in between games. To me we just looked like we had no idea what we wanted to do. I knew we were in for a bad night when we decided to iso PErkins on Howard. I'll never understand why coaches so willingly waste possessions on bad matchups.
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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#24 » by Tricky Ricky » Tue May 5, 2009 1:13 pm

Its tough but you guys got to realize Rondo was the guy who got us here. Marbury played well for 8 mins, Rondo played good the last 7 or so games, I cant really blame Doc for this.
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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#25 » by billfromBoston » Tue May 5, 2009 1:48 pm

Rondo helped in the comeback, but he played 7 empty minutes to close out the 4th - its Doc's job to also realize when the group that got you there ain't gonna get you any further - Rondo had his burst and then played consistently terrible bball after that - Marbury should have been subbed in around the 6-7 minute mark and been allowed to finish the game with the other starters - we needed offense down the stretch and found none.
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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#26 » by LenBiasBaller » Tue May 5, 2009 2:06 pm

I am ticked off about this loss and the one thing that has always stuck about Doc it is his substitution pattern.

I mean Marbury is feeling it and looks like he might drop 40 and then doesn't even make it back into the game? How does that even make sense? You want him to be more aggressive and that exactly what he did last nite and then you don't put him in again, at all?

It just does not make any sense. How is Steph suppose to feel? Not like my only concern is Steph's feeling but this has to be a downer for him. I think Steph was our X factor if we make noise in the east this year and Doc is letting him rot away on the bench.

I have no problem with Rondo playing even though he is struggling but Marbury should have played 20 minutes last night. Very simple to me. Guy has hot hand - Keep him in! WTF
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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#27 » by hickfromfrenchlick » Tue May 5, 2009 2:20 pm

sully00 wrote:Good game bad game Rondo has earned the right to be out there.


This.

Sully, I don't think there's a poster here who I agree with more. (Not always, but usually.)
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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#28 » by UGA Hayes » Tue May 5, 2009 3:16 pm

^ Honestly, It doesn't matter how bad rondo is playing I would still feel uncomfortable substituting anyone we have for him.
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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#29 » by Bad-Thoma » Tue May 5, 2009 4:00 pm

MVP16 wrote:I don't mind the decision. Rondo was leading the team for the comeback so I didn't want Doc to take him out. And Marbury at sg doesn't work offensively. We started the 4th quarter down 16 and we eventually cut the lead down to 4 with a Ray Allen 3 90% in the rim. You can't hope for much more then that and I think the Marbury thing is nitpicking. The problem is how the Celtics played in the 1st half with low energy, no aggresiveness like it was an exhibition game.


This is exactly what I was going to post.
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Post#30 » by boykins_2 » Tue May 5, 2009 4:22 pm

You guys are blind when it comes to evaulting steph's "contruibution" in a team environment.
Steph gets carried away and starts looking for his shot the whole time. Especially when he hits first couple. You CAN'T have a pg that just looks for his shot. Steph never learned that the PG is supposed to run a team at it's highest efficiently. That means getting everyone involved offensive and defensive. You get everyone playing together as a cohesive unit because they trust you to do the right thing. He looks for his stats first. Period!
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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#31 » by LenBiasBaller » Tue May 5, 2009 4:29 pm

boykins_2 wrote:You guys are blind when it comes to evaulting steph's "contruibution" in a team environment.
Steph gets carried away and starts looking for his shot the whole time. Especially when he hits first couple. You CAN'T have a pg that just looks for his shot. Steph never learned that the PG is supposed to run a team at it's highest efficiently. That means getting everyone involved offensive and defensive. You get everyone playing together as a cohesive unit because they trust you to do the right thing. He looks for his stats first. Period!


The guy can't win. This is just hilarious to me...

"Steph gets carried away especially when he hits his first couple of shot" That just sounds so stupid. Why would you not continue to shoot when you are hitting your shot? Everyone else does it? There are players that keep shooting even when they are not hitting their shots. When Rondo is on nobody complains about him taking over. Why should Steph be any different.

I just don't get the hate at all.
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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#32 » by boykins_2 » Tue May 5, 2009 4:53 pm

LenBiasBaller wrote:
boykins_2 wrote:You guys are blind when it comes to evaulting steph's "contruibution" in a team environment.
Steph gets carried away and starts looking for his shot the whole time. Especially when he hits first couple. You CAN'T have a pg that just looks for his shot. Steph never learned that the PG is supposed to run a team at it's highest efficiently. That means getting everyone involved offensive and defensive. You get everyone playing together as a cohesive unit because they trust you to do the right thing. He looks for his stats first. Period!


The guy can't win. This is just hilarious to me...

"Steph gets carried away especially when he hits his first couple of shot" That just sounds so stupid. Why would you not continue to shoot when you are hitting your shot? Everyone else does it? There are players that keep shooting even when they are not hitting their shots. When Rondo is on nobody complains about him taking over. Why should Steph be any different.

I just don't get the hate at all.


You don't understand the role of a PG!!
The pg has the ball in his hands for a good portion of the time, you have to discount the fact that he can get his own shot. It's not about the pg getting his own shot!!
You twist the fact someone like Ray Allen taking shots and making them, that is his role. Ray has "received" the ball and trusted to take the shot.
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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#33 » by Banks2Pierce » Tue May 5, 2009 5:16 pm

The turning point of the game emotionally was when Rondo tried to CRAM it over the DPOY/manchild/superman. Kid's got grapefruits.

The problem often is that Doc waits to put the backup point in until after an entire quarter. This ends up backfiring when it is a tight game (every game in the playoffs thus far) and Doc gets scared to go away from Rondo in the 4th. Marbury breaking down their pg's is exactly what we needed him to do. I thought Steph should've gotten the second half minutes over Eddie, but whatever.
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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#34 » by UGA Hayes » Tue May 5, 2009 5:33 pm

The only real ingame complaint I have is that between 10 minute and 8:45 minute mark of the 4th quarter the lead was just whittled down to 9 and the lineup we had in the game when something like 4-5 straight bad possession, however they didn't capitalize. To me after about the 2nd, 3rd at the most, possession we should have subbed or called a TO. Instead we waited. On paper it didn't look so bad b/c they didn't extend the lead either, but in reality I thought it was the difference b/t juggling a 6- 12 point deficit and a 0-6 point deficit.

It just seems to me like Doc doesn't have the pulse of the postseason games this year. I can't kill totally kill Doc b/c only Scal was playing even OK and even he made some bad mistakes, so it becomes of case of who can I really put in. The first half was pretty much the players, though like I said before I don't that giveing the team the only day off before game 1 with a new opponent is very smart (why not do it b/t game 1 and 2).
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Re: Marburys benching 

Post#35 » by Knick 4ever » Tue May 5, 2009 5:47 pm

Doc lost the game last night and he actually knows it. In the second half, he should have rested both Rondo and Allen for a good 5 minutes, because you could tell they needed it. Marb had it going; he was attacking the basket as I know he could, plus he was making shots. Let's hope he stays aggressive in the next game, because if he does, Boston will definitely have a chance against Orlando.

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