Would you do this trade hypothetically

Dexmor · Post #1 » by **Dexmor** » Tue May 5, 2009 4:44 pm

Lets say next season Bynum comes back 100% healthy. No sign of injury and doctor's say he is perfect. He gets 20, 10 and 2-3 blocks which he would if Phil gave him 36 mins instead of 25-28 and that is with Kobe on his team plus a ton of other scorers they have and gets that as 3rd option which I am basically saying Bynum at his best and living up to that contract.
O.K. with that said do you do this trade

Bynum
Farmar

For

EO50
Felton

Or and this is probably less likely for you guys

Bynum
Ariza
2 first round draft picks unprotected

for

Mek
Bell or Wallace

The reason why I am asking is obviously im a fan of both teams and I think they would both benefit from a swap. Bobcats need a go to scorer and Bynum on the Bobcats as 1st option could be like Howard with better offense but worse D.

I think the Lakers need a body guard/defender to put on the other teams best big to let Gasol only have to play on offense. I think Mek-Gasol-Ariza-Kobe-Felton would be better then what they have now.
I also think Farmar on a non triangle which can screw up pg's and with no Kobe dominating the ball Farmar is a starting pg but Bobcats would be better with Bynum-Diaw-Wallace-Bell-DJ

New Lakers
C.Mek
PF.Gasol
SF.Ariza
SG.Kobe
PG.Felton

New Bobcats
C.Bynum
PF.Diaw
SF.Wallace
SG.Bell
PG.DJ

The Bobcats can throw it into Bynum everytime down the court and have a outside shooter at every single position that he can kick it out to. DJ and Diaw could have a 48% 3 point shooters. Wallace would even shoot at 35% and Bell could really extend his career.

What do you think?

Post #2 » by **fatlever** » Tue May 5, 2009 5:07 pm

i'd take bynum over mek.

felton cant be traded unless s&t

i dont like the second one. too much to give up, imo.

Dexmor · Post #3 » by **Dexmor** » Tue May 5, 2009 5:20 pm

Yeah I should have never posted the other trade cause the first one was perfect.

The Bobcats have no stars and all role players and Bynum would be there star

The Lakers have there 2 stars and need a role playing defensive big man.

Lakers win, Bobcats win and Dexmor wins.

Post #4 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue May 5, 2009 5:30 pm

I'd do trade 1, pretty sure the majority of the board would.

ccbballin · Post #5 » by **ccbballin** » Tue May 5, 2009 5:51 pm

Top 5 centers are hard to come by. Bynum's a top 5 and he's only 22 or something. The Bobcats would do the trade but I doubt the Lakers would.

Dexmor · Post #6 » by **Dexmor** » Tue May 5, 2009 6:32 pm

If the Lakers didn't have Phil I wouldn't do it but with Phil I do it because he only plays Bynum 28 minutes max and sometimes 15 and it's nuts.
The other reason I do it is because the Lakers have been the weakest team at the pg position in league history since Nick Van Excel. Fisher is good but they have had Smush Parker and it's so bad now Shannon Brown is looking awesome.
Felton would be a god over in LA.
While I am at it I should have put Odom and Wallace in there.

This would be best for all

Bynum
Diaw
Odom
Bell
DJ

Mek
Gasol
Wallace
Kobe
Felton

RichBoy923 · Post #7 » by **RichBoy923** » Tue May 5, 2009 6:46 pm

Okay, I guess I'm the only one that'd do both.

In reference to the 2nd trade I'd rather have:

Bynum
Diaw
Wallace
Ariza (I know hes 6 8 but he plays more like a guard) / (Or whoever we draft this year)
Felton

than

Okafor
Diaw
Wallace
Bell
Felton

nugentrk · Post #8 » by **nugentrk** » Tue May 5, 2009 6:47 pm

no and no

Bynum might be injury prone, he been hurt 2 years running. Plus we should resign Felton.

Post #9 » by **Paydro70** » Tue May 5, 2009 7:45 pm

I'd do both trades... those two first rounders are icing on the cake, I already would rather have Ariza than Bell and Bynum than Okafor.

thruthefire · Post #10 » by **thruthefire** » Tue May 5, 2009 8:27 pm

Farmar is a scrub and Bynum is injury prone ... no thanks.

Post #11 » by **fatlever** » Tue May 5, 2009 8:41 pm

sorry, i read that second one as bell and wallace.

thruthefire · Post #12 » by **thruthefire** » Tue May 5, 2009 8:53 pm

The second one is far too unrealistic.

RichBoy923 · Post #13 » by **RichBoy923** » Tue May 5, 2009 8:58 pm

Paydro70 wrote:I'd do both trades... those two first rounders are icing on the cake, I already would rather have Ariza than Bell and Bynum than Okafor.

That's exactly how I feel.

Post #14 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue May 5, 2009 9:00 pm

Those first may as well be 2nd rounders. You guys would all really prefer having Ariza over Bell? Am I the only one that remembers how bad the team was without Bell?

Dexmor · Post #15 » by **Dexmor** » Tue May 5, 2009 9:17 pm

So all of you basically think Bobcats do better in at least one of the deals except for thetruthfire.
Is that homerism or do you really believe Mek and Felton is better then Farmar, Ariza and Bynum?
It's pretty nuts either way. Kind of to the point were I feel like your messing with me. Yeah I am gonna chalk it up to that. I can't talk that serious.

Walt
Ariza can completely play sg. And on a team were he is an after thought on Offense and played minutes in the 20's compared to Bell it's not a downgrade Walt. You have to remember the Cats have no scorers so Bell got 14 a game. Now if Ariza got 36 minutes and all those shots because nobody else really scores Ariza could easily score 14-15 points plus Ariza is an excellent defender and he is alot younger and the Bobcats are rebuilding and Lakers are going for the now.
How do you not pick up a young guy like Ariza when they are arguably at the same level and the other player is what 34? Were not a championship contender. Were hopefully an 8th seed and we need to rebuild. You have to be thinking about the future to. The Spurs are 100x better then us and right now they need to think about the future because there not a real contender right now.
Come on just think about it.

thruthefire · Post #16 » by **thruthefire** » Tue May 5, 2009 9:32 pm

Well, I was just responding to the first deal, which is Okafor/Felton for Bynum/Farmar.

And no, I wouldn't do that deal. Okafor and Bynum are close in value, but Felton is much better than Farmar.

RichBoy923 · Post #17 » by **RichBoy923** » Tue May 5, 2009 10:43 pm

thruthefire wrote:Well, I was just responding to the first deal, which is Okafor/Felton for Bynum/Farmar.

And no, I wouldn't do that deal. Okafor and Bynum are close in value, but Felton is much better than Farmar.

Sure Farmar's value isn't near Felton's but Augustin would start anyways. But that is something you'd be willing to give up because you would be getting the best player in the trade (Bynum). You have to look at the bigger picture not just player for player to determine if the trade went bad.

I thought the trade we had earlier this year involving Diaw and Bell was a good one. Not because I thought the value we received was greater than what we gave up but because I thought this trade would help our team. The trade got us more wins than what we would have got with our team before the trade.

Dexmor wrote:Ariza can completely play sg. And on a team were he is an after thought on Offense and played minutes in the 20's compared to Bell it's not a downgrade Walt. You have to remember the Cats have no scorers so Bell got 14 a game. Now if Ariza got 36 minutes and all those shots because nobody else really scores Ariza could easily score 14-15 points plus Ariza is an excellent defender and he is alot younger and the Bobcats are rebuilding and Lakers are going for the now.
How do you not pick up a young guy like Ariza when they are arguably at the same level and the other player is what 34? Were not a championship contender. Were hopefully an 8th seed and we need to rebuild. You have to be thinking about the future to. The Spurs are 100x better then us and right now they need to think about the future because there not a real contender right now.
Come on just think about it.

Exactly. Age played a huge factor in determining if I would do that hypothetical trade. Ariza is a player who could produce pretty much on the same level as Bell and still has room to grow.

thruthefire · Post #18 » by **thruthefire** » Tue May 5, 2009 10:47 pm

Assuming that Bynum stay's healthy, right?

I don't think it's the same as the earlier trade, though. That was one starter for two. This is two starters for one and a backup.

In reality, Mek and Raymond are my two favorite players, so it would be hard for me to pull the trigger. And I happen to agree with Bill Simmons regarding Felton.

RichBoy923 · Post #19 » by **RichBoy923** » Tue May 5, 2009 10:58 pm

thruthefire wrote:I don't think it's the same as the earlier trade, though. That was one starter for two. This is two starters for one and a backup.

I wasn't saying they were similar I was just saying how I would rate a trade. The point is not totally who you get and who you give up but in the end, does it make your team better.

So I am guessing you'd think we'd have a better chance with:

Felton, Bell, Wallace, Diaw, Okafor
vs.
Augustin, Bell, Wallace, Diaw, Bynum

Which is you opinion but I would have to disagree. And that is how I would rate the trade. Not solely upon giving up 2 starters for 1 in this case.

Post #20 » by **Paydro70** » Wed May 6, 2009 1:50 am

The age thing is a major advantage for Ariza, but honestly he's also a very good defensive player so I am not so worried to see Bell go even for next year. Ariza can't shoot like Bell, but Bell can't drive or run on the break like Ariza.

Bynum has gotten injured, but like Emeka's early injuries, I don't think they're symptomatic of an inherently injury-prone player:
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/04 ... um-lakers4

As the article suggests, he's probably not a total iron man, but I don't think it devalues him too much.