Laker's supporting cast - over rated ?

Silver Bullet · Post #241 » by **Silver Bullet** » Tue May 5, 2009 5:33 am

Hate to say I told you so.

This is not about Kobe, but the Lakers supporting cast sucks. Gasol misses a layup, Odom flunks two free throws, Ariza misses wide open 3, Fisher misses a wide open 3 and then Ariza again misses a wide open 3 in three consecutive possessions. Fisher takes a ridiculous fadeway 3 pointer with 1:30 or so to go. This team sucks in crunch time.

And yea I know Lakers suck, but if they had made any of those three threes, they could've won. No way this team can win a championship.

Jordan23Forever · Post #242 » by **Jordan23Forever** » Tue May 5, 2009 6:29 am

Silver Bullet wrote:Hate to say I told you so.

Yeah, okay. Maybe if someone wasnt busy going like 3-12 or 4-13 in the first half, some other people could have gotten into a rhythm. Maybe if someone wasn't so dead set on shooting jumpers and actually drove the ball or posted up (either of which would draw defensive attention), he could have made plays for others.

And it's not like Kobe has never had a bad game himself. Hardly. Yet after a couple of his teammates have one poor showing, you're calling them out and acting like you proved something. Typical. :lol:

Showtime:Part2 · Post #243 » by **Showtime:Part2** » Tue May 5, 2009 7:21 am

Jordan23Forever wrote:
Silver Bullet wrote:Hate to say I told you so.

Yeah, okay. Maybe if someone wasnt busy going like 3-12 or 4-13 in the first half, some other people could have gotten into a rhythm. Maybe if someone wasn't so dead set on shooting jumpers and actually drove the ball or posted up (either of which would draw defensive attention), he could have made plays for others.

And it's not like Kobe has never had a bad game himself. Hardly. Yet after a couple of his teammates have one poor showing, you're calling them out and acting like you proved something. Typical.

you are such a tool. you are putting this loss on kobe? did you not watch the game? even rockets fans will tell you that the loss can't be blamed on kobe.

Duiz · Post #244 » by **Duiz** » Tue May 5, 2009 7:25 am

I still think Deron has the best supporting cast. If Phil was to coach the Jazz without Williams and Kobe instead, I assure you they would be a dynasty by now.

SuigintouEV · Post #245 » by **SuigintouEV** » Tue May 5, 2009 7:27 am

Silver Bullet wrote:Ask yourself this, if it comes down to making a big bucket, who would you trust more: Mo Williams or Gasol, Boobie Gibson or Ariza.

If it comes down to grabbing a big rebound, who'd you rather have, Varejao or Gasol ?

If it comes down to making a big bucket, i dump it into gasol, let him either score with ease, or make a beautiful pass to a 3pt shooter.

I trust boobie gibson to hit a wide open jump shot, i trust ariza to get a clutch steal and fast break dunk.

I trust varejao to grab a big rebound, but i trust gasol to actually get the stop by altering a shot in the lane or even blocking it, moreso than varejao.

The lakers have offensive talent - they're the best passing team in the NBA.
the lakers have defensive length - they might not play hard enough or tough enough, but they bother teams with thier bodies.
The lakers are the #1 offensive rebounding team in the NBA.
Pau Gasol led the grizzlies to 50 win seasons, let's see mo lead a team to .500 first

SuigintouEV · Post #246 » by **SuigintouEV** » Tue May 5, 2009 7:29 am

Showtime:Part2 wrote:
Jordan23Forever wrote:
Silver Bullet wrote:Hate to say I told you so.

Yeah, okay. Maybe if someone wasnt busy going like 3-12 or 4-13 in the first half, some other people could have gotten into a rhythm. Maybe if someone wasn't so dead set on shooting jumpers and actually drove the ball or posted up (either of which would draw defensive attention), he could have made plays for others.

And it's not like Kobe has never had a bad game himself. Hardly. Yet after a couple of his teammates have one poor showing, you're calling them out and acting like you proved something. Typical.

you are such a tool. you are putting this loss on kobe? did you not watch the game? even rockets fans will tell you that the loss can't be blamed on kobe.

I was watching the whole game, this loss is TOTALLY on kobe. He was a jump shooter and not an effective one tonight. up until the last like 2 minutes, he only attempted 1 FT in the game.

SimonAdebisi · Post #247 » by **SimonAdebisi** » Tue May 5, 2009 7:42 am

I agree with J23 and SuigintouEV about Kobe not playing aggressive enough, which is the point I made in Richboy's "1st round rankings" thread. Kobe takes way too many low % shots.

His teammates definitely let him down though, so I wouldn't put it all on Kobe at all. Nobody else really showed up, outside of Bynum, but he had foul trouble.

Jordan23Forever · Post #248 » by **Jordan23Forever** » Tue May 5, 2009 9:26 am

Showtime:Part2 wrote:you are such a tool. you are putting this loss on kobe? did you not watch the game? even rockets fans will tell you that the loss can't be blamed on kobe.

Who the hell is putting this loss (solely) on Kobe? Learn to read. My point was that one bad game is not proof of anything, and it's no reason to throw Kobe's teammates under a bus. Kobe has bad games too. Hell, he was 12-29 today before the two layups the Rockets conceded to him late in the game. That's nothing to boast about.

Silver Bullet · Post #249 » by **Silver Bullet** » Tue May 5, 2009 12:22 pm

Jordan23Forever wrote:
Showtime:Part2 wrote:you are such a tool. you are putting this loss on kobe? did you not watch the game? even rockets fans will tell you that the loss can't be blamed on kobe.

Who the hell is putting this loss (solely) on Kobe? Learn to read. My point was that one bad game is not proof of anything, and it's no reason to throw Kobe's teammates under a bus. Kobe has bad games too. Hell, he was 12-29 today before the two layups the Rockets conceded to him late in the game. That's nothing to boast about.

Kobe had a pretty bad game, but I'm talking about the supporting cast only. You can't have guys like Derek Fisher and Ariza in rhythm, they're supposed to take 5-7 shots a game.

And it's not one game. the sample size started in the Finals last year.

guy1 · Post #250 » by **guy1** » Tue May 5, 2009 1:30 pm

LOL, let the excuses begin. I knew that this topic would be updated and Kobe fans would be whining about his supporting cast. Bottom line is this is 1 game, and there's no point in blaming Kobe's supporting cast when HE had a bad game as well. I find it funny that some Kobe fans expect the Lakers supporting cast to bail out Kobe from a bad game then the other way around. Historically, its more often the other way around, where a great player bails his teammates out from a bad game then the other way around. Its funny that everyone was calling this really a no-contest, but when the Rockets win game 1, its all on Kobe's teammates, even though he had a bad game as well. And seriously, this is a complete overreaction. I still think the Lakers will win this series and most likely the title. Its just funny that some Kobe fans don't even have confidence in Kobe to win a title this year, even though they consider him to be up there with some of the greatest players of all time.

guy1 · Post #251 » by **guy1** » Tue May 5, 2009 1:33 pm

Silver Bullet wrote:
Jordan23Forever wrote:
Showtime:Part2 wrote:you are such a tool. you are putting this loss on kobe? did you not watch the game? even rockets fans will tell you that the loss can't be blamed on kobe.

Who the hell is putting this loss (solely) on Kobe? Learn to read. My point was that one bad game is not proof of anything, and it's no reason to throw Kobe's teammates under a bus. Kobe has bad games too. Hell, he was 12-29 today before the two layups the Rockets conceded to him late in the game. That's nothing to boast about.

Kobe had a pretty bad game, but I'm talking about the supporting cast only. You can't have guys like Derek Fisher and Ariza in rhythm, they're supposed to take 5-7 shots a game.

And it's not one game. the sample size started in the Finals last year.

This team is also significiantly different then what they were last year.

JordansBulls · Post #252 » by **JordansBulls** » Tue May 5, 2009 2:36 pm

guy1 wrote:LOL, let the excuses begin. I knew that this topic would be updated and Kobe fans would be whining about his supporting cast. Bottom line is this is 1 game, and there's no point in blaming Kobe's supporting cast when HE had a bad game as well. I find it funny that some Kobe fans expect the Lakers supporting cast to bail out Kobe from a bad game then the other way around. Historically, its more often the other way around, where a great player bails his teammates out from a bad game then the other way around. Its funny that everyone was calling this really a no-contest, but when the Rockets win game 1, its all on Kobe's teammates, even though he had a bad game as well. And seriously, this is a complete overreaction. I still think the Lakers will win this series and most likely the title. Its just funny that some Kobe fans don't even have confidence in Kobe to win a title this year, even though they consider him to be up there with some of the greatest players of all time.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

I just hope Kobe makes better decisions as well and doesn't try to injure guys on purpose because he is losing.

karl_marx · Post #253 » by **karl_marx** » Tue May 5, 2009 2:44 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
guy1 wrote:LOL, let the excuses begin. I knew that this topic would be updated and Kobe fans would be whining about his supporting cast. Bottom line is this is 1 game, and there's no point in blaming Kobe's supporting cast when HE had a bad game as well. I find it funny that some Kobe fans expect the Lakers supporting cast to bail out Kobe from a bad game then the other way around. Historically, its more often the other way around, where a great player bails his teammates out from a bad game then the other way around. Its funny that everyone was calling this really a no-contest, but when the Rockets win game 1, its all on Kobe's teammates, even though he had a bad game as well. And seriously, this is a complete overreaction. I still think the Lakers will win this series and most likely the title. Its just funny that some Kobe fans don't even have confidence in Kobe to win a title this year, even though they consider him to be up there with some of the greatest players of all time.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

I just hope Kobe makes better decisions as well and doesn't try to injure guys on purpose because he is losing.

I hope you are not serious when you say that kobe tries to injure people on purpose

Post #254 » by **tkb** » Tue May 5, 2009 3:16 pm

JordansBulls wrote:I just hope Kobe makes better decisions as well and doesn't try to injure guys on purpose because he is losing.

Huh? Please explain.

JordansBulls · Post #255 » by **JordansBulls** » Tue May 5, 2009 3:24 pm

tkb wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:I just hope Kobe makes better decisions as well and doesn't try to injure guys on purpose because he is losing.

Huh? Please explain.

That Battier play sure as hell looked like he was trying to be dirty. And then that play against Yao where Yao went down. Maybe the play against Yao was just incidental contact but the one against Battier in the first quarter sure as hell didn't look like that.

USA · Post #256 » by **USA** » Tue May 5, 2009 3:42 pm

^LOL @ you. There is nothing that suggests Kobe was trying to be dirty. Battier was trying to stand up before Kobe had a chance to get off of him.

The ENTIRE Laker team was horrible last night. Deserved victory for Houston.

Silver Bullet · Post #257 » by **Silver Bullet** » Tue May 5, 2009 9:13 pm

guy1 wrote:LOL, let the excuses begin. I knew that this topic would be updated and Kobe fans would be whining about his supporting cast. Bottom line is this is 1 game, and there's no point in blaming Kobe's supporting cast when HE had a bad game as well. I find it funny that some Kobe fans expect the Lakers supporting cast to bail out Kobe from a bad game then the other way around. Historically, its more often the other way around, where a great player bails his teammates out from a bad game then the other way around. Its funny that everyone was calling this really a no-contest, but when the Rockets win game 1, its all on Kobe's teammates, even though he had a bad game as well. And seriously, this is a complete overreaction. I still think the Lakers will win this series and most likely the title. Its just funny that some Kobe fans don't even have confidence in Kobe to win a title this year, even though they consider him to be up there with some of the greatest players of all time.

I don't know who called this series a no-contest. I've been saying all along that the Lakers are ripe for an upset, they are not as good as everybody seems to think.

I still think they'll win this series, but Nuggets stand a very good chance of beating them. If ppl think Nowitzki is soft, wait till they see Gasol against K-Mart and Nene.

Dat Pass · Post #258 » by **Dat Pass** » Tue May 5, 2009 9:56 pm

I think the Lakers are a little overrated. They were favorites to win agaisnt the Celtics last season for some reason, even though the Celtics had a better team and homecourt advantage. And I honestly dont think that they're that much better than the Cavs this season, if at all. Plus the Cavs have home court advantage as well. And yet everyone claims the Lakers should just roll thru the playoffs...

Gasol has always been soft, Odom tends to disappear for quarters/games/series at a time, Bynum seems to always be coming off an injury, and Farmar and Vujacic have been non-factors nearly the entire season. Combine that with pretty weak defense, and I think they're a little overrated.

guy1 · Post #259 » by **guy1** » Tue May 5, 2009 10:00 pm

Silver Bullet wrote:
guy1 wrote:LOL, let the excuses begin. I knew that this topic would be updated and Kobe fans would be whining about his supporting cast. Bottom line is this is 1 game, and there's no point in blaming Kobe's supporting cast when HE had a bad game as well. I find it funny that some Kobe fans expect the Lakers supporting cast to bail out Kobe from a bad game then the other way around. Historically, its more often the other way around, where a great player bails his teammates out from a bad game then the other way around. Its funny that everyone was calling this really a no-contest, but when the Rockets win game 1, its all on Kobe's teammates, even though he had a bad game as well. And seriously, this is a complete overreaction. I still think the Lakers will win this series and most likely the title. Its just funny that some Kobe fans don't even have confidence in Kobe to win a title this year, even though they consider him to be up there with some of the greatest players of all time.

I don't know who called this series a no-contest. I've been saying all along that the Lakers are ripe for an upset, they are not as good as everybody seems to think.

I still think they'll win this series, but Nuggets stand a very good chance of beating them. If ppl think Nowitzki is soft, wait till they see Gasol against K-Mart and Nene.

Maybe they aren't as good as everyone thinks, which technically means "overrated". But even if thats the case, they are rightfully thought of by most as the favorites to win the title, and the best supporting cast for a superstar in the whole league. Maybe they will lose to Cleveland or whoever cause of defense or something else, but I wouldn't necessarily that means they aren't the best supporting cast in the league. Alot of that can be attributed to other reasons such as coaching or even the star player, who might not be using the talent right away. For example, maybe Bynum should've played more then 15 min last nite.

Silver Bullet · Post #260 » by **Silver Bullet** » Tue May 5, 2009 11:53 pm

guy1 wrote:
Silver Bullet wrote:
guy1 wrote:LOL, let the excuses begin. I knew that this topic would be updated and Kobe fans would be whining about his supporting cast. Bottom line is this is 1 game, and there's no point in blaming Kobe's supporting cast when HE had a bad game as well. I find it funny that some Kobe fans expect the Lakers supporting cast to bail out Kobe from a bad game then the other way around. Historically, its more often the other way around, where a great player bails his teammates out from a bad game then the other way around. Its funny that everyone was calling this really a no-contest, but when the Rockets win game 1, its all on Kobe's teammates, even though he had a bad game as well. And seriously, this is a complete overreaction. I still think the Lakers will win this series and most likely the title. Its just funny that some Kobe fans don't even have confidence in Kobe to win a title this year, even though they consider him to be up there with some of the greatest players of all time.

I don't know who called this series a no-contest. I've been saying all along that the Lakers are ripe for an upset, they are not as good as everybody seems to think.

I still think they'll win this series, but Nuggets stand a very good chance of beating them. If ppl think Nowitzki is soft, wait till they see Gasol against K-Mart and Nene.

Maybe they aren't as good as everyone thinks, which technically means "overrated". But even if thats the case, they are rightfully thought of by most as the favorites to win the title, and the best supporting cast for a superstar in the whole league. Maybe they will lose to Cleveland or whoever cause of defense or something else, but I wouldn't necessarily that means they aren't the best supporting cast in the league. Alot of that can be attributed to other reasons such as coaching or even the star player, who might not be using the talent right away. For example, maybe Bynum should've played more then 15 min last nite.

Bynum's been sucking right through the playoffs. I personally don't think they even have a good supporting cast, let alone one of the best in the league AND there is no way they should be favorites to win the the title.

If Lakers win it all, it won't be because of Kobe, it'll be because the role players played well.

If the Lakers lose, it will be because of role players not Kobe. They suck.

I don't know what you mean by superstar btw ?