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Re: We're winning the mental battle 

Post#41 » by Rendezvous » Fri May 8, 2009 3:36 pm

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Jaykoolzboy wrote:You know why? Its actually the perfect example of something bad turn into something good.

Yao , Shane and Luis Scola= Gentleman of basketball, regardless of how hard they play of the court, they always stay stable with their emotion.


OK fine, but what about Artest & Vanilla Wafer

Scola was setting dirty pick after dirty pick, he got his as did Fish with the retaliation.


All centers and power forwards set hard picks. it's not just scola
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Re: We're winning the mental battle 

Post#42 » by 88' Draft Pick » Fri May 8, 2009 4:04 pm

moofs wrote:So if you were in front of the police and someone hit you in the face with a baseball bat, but the police didn't see it, and when you told the police about it they yawned then gave you a fine for bringing it up, the recommended course of action is to walk back to your place and just hope that you aren't hit in the face again cause, gosh that would be terrible and the police must be right?


Okay so first off your analogy is pretty harsh in comparison to what actually took place. Artest was mugging Kobe (who had established position in front of Artest) the entire box out, if you dont at least admit that, then I cant really take you seriously. I havent seen one Rocket fan admit that Rons arm pushing Kobe's head forward and reaching over his shoulder/neck was not a legal box-out. Can you adress this please? And be reasonable when you do. The fact that this took place BEFORE the elbow warrants the foul on Artest. I can understand Artest's frustration that no technical or flagrant was called on Kobe's elbow (to the chest, not throat or neck, mind you), but he has got to understand that he fouled Kobe first and that is why the foul was called on him. He said himself that he went over to Kobe with the intent of getting a technical foul. Once they called the first one he should have just walked away, not jestured a harsh elbow swing right in front of Joey Crawford and kept pushing the issue.. Therefore I do not feel sympathy for Artest. If you think that pushing a guy in the back of the head and reaching over his neck/shoulder area when he has position on you is just part of a tough box-out, then in my stance so is throwing an elbow to get that guy off of you.

If I was mugging a guy like that in a pickup game and he elbowed me to get me off of him, I might get into a little argument on the court, but deep down I would know that it was me that initially fouled him and if no call was being made, he had to do something about me being all over him.

ps. Im not saying Kobe was completely innocent, but neither was Artest. Refs usually call the foul that took place first. Ron's got to understand that and he took a chance when he kept pushing the issue.
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Re: We're winning the mental battle 

Post#43 » by moofs » Fri May 8, 2009 4:18 pm

88' Draft Pick wrote:Okay so first off your analogy is pretty harsh in comparison to what actually took place.


Yeah, the degree doesn't match, but the concept is the same.

88' Draft Pick wrote:Artest was mugging Kobe (who had established position in front of Artest) the entire box out, if you dont at least admit that, then I cant really take you seriously. I havent seen one Rocket fan admit that Rons arm pushing Kobe's head forward and reaching over his shoulder/neck was not a legal box-out. Can you adress this please? And be reasonable when you do. The fact that this took place BEFORE the elbow warrants the foul on Artest.


Nope, you're very correct, it was a foul. I've stated several times that Artest gets away with a lot of them due to his general physicality.

88' Draft Pick wrote:I can understand Artest's frustration that no technical or flagrant was called on Kobe's elbow (to the chest, not throat or neck, mind you), but he has got to understand that he fouled Kobe first and that is why the foul was called on him. He said himself that he went over to Kobe with the intent of getting a technical foul. Once they called the first one he should have just walked away, not jestured a harsh elbow swing right in front of Joey Crawford and kept pushing the issue..


To be honest, I'm not sure what all was running through his head. Maybe he was trying to outfox Kobe, which isn't happening. It was still an elbow that should have been an in-game flagrant 1. To be fair, and without checking the replay to confirm, perhaps the foul should have been called sooner.

88' Draft Pick wrote:Therefore I do not feel sympathy for Artest. If you think that pushing a guy in the back of the head and reaching over his neck/shoulder area when he has position on you is just part of a tough box-out, then in my stance so is throwing an elbow to get that guy off of you.


Good point.

88' Draft Pick wrote:If I was mugging a guy like that in a pickup game and he elbowed me to get me off of him, I might get into a little argument on the court, but deep down I would know that it was me that initially fouled him and if no call was being made, he had to do something about me being all over him.


# of times moofs, over the course of the season (and before it), has called Artest "dumb":
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All in all, I exaggerated a bit, and both players were in the wrong (I still don't respect Kobe anymore).
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Re: We're winning the mental battle 

Post#44 » by Teckon » Fri May 8, 2009 4:29 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:OK ShaY, you look like a knowledgeable guy with fair reasoning. Basically my response was to other posters who insist the Lakers had played their best game, I was going tit for tat on that one. Reality is in a 7 game series neither team finds it's groove until about maybe Games 3 & 4 so after this weekend we'll see where both stand.

But on the other hand and not saying it's you but a lot of your buddies here feel that the lay off the Lakers had wasn't the reason for our loss in Game 1. I had a funny feeling about that game because a lot of the players we have their games are geared towards timing, and the Rockets were more in sync even though they had 3 days off....but that about the norm for an NBA guy anyway so they never got out of rhythm.

P.S...................It's all smack talk anyway, I know it'll get to some nerves but vet posters can always tell whats garbage and whats not.


Please get your facts right.

- The lakers fans are the ones that starting to say that Lakers took Rocket's best shot and only down by 3 in Game 1 first half.
- When Rockets won the Game 1, the lakers fans said Rockets played their best game to beat the lakers in Game 1 and the Lakers were out of sync then.

Don't come and BS here to say Rockets initiate these stuff.

I will accept your advice and consider your stuff as garage - ya just garage.. nothing more :wink:
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Re: We're winning the mental battle 

Post#45 » by Rendezvous » Fri May 8, 2009 5:05 pm

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DEEP3CL wrote: You have a weak minded coach who'll eventually panic as the nuts and bolts of this series tighten, he's already proved that the last time he faced the Lakers in the playoffs as coach of the Kings.


I remember that series. Admittedly, my memory isn't quite what it used to be, but I seem to recall that series being lost for some other reason than Adelman. Game 6 comes to mind. Tee Hee.*

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Anyways, as to who is "winning the mental battle" and all that nonsense, I guess it remains to be seen. That's why the players play the games and the silly fans bitch and argue for entertainment. It should be a great game tonight, and hopefully a clean one.


* I do however tend to somewhat agree on him being a bit weak minded, at least in comparison to a one Mr. P-Jax. Ding a ding dang my ding a long ling long.


Man i dont know what the hell he is thinking bringing that lakers-kings series up
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Re: We're winning the mental battle 

Post#46 » by TMU » Fri May 8, 2009 5:29 pm

Even the Lakers' players admitted that they were nervous after losing Game 1. That shows how much our guys got into their heads. Perhaps it was a wake up call.

As for the Lakers not playing their best basketball, keep in mind that the Rockets are one of the top defensive teams in the league. Buckets aren't going to come with ease.
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Re: We're winning the mental battle 

Post#47 » by DEEP3CL » Fri May 8, 2009 9:28 pm

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RaoulDuke79 wrote:
DEEP3CL wrote: You have a weak minded coach who'll eventually panic as the nuts and bolts of this series tighten, he's already proved that the last time he faced the Lakers in the playoffs as coach of the Kings.


I remember that series. Admittedly, my memory isn't quite what it used to be, but I seem to recall that series being lost for some other reason than Adelman. Game 6 comes to mind. Tee Hee.*

8-)

Anyways, as to who is "winning the mental battle" and all that nonsense, I guess it remains to be seen. That's why the players play the games and the silly fans bitch and argue for entertainment. It should be a great game tonight, and hopefully a clean one.


* I do however tend to somewhat agree on him being a bit weak minded, at least in comparison to a one Mr. P-Jax. Ding a ding dang my ding a long ling long.


Man i dont know what the hell he is thinking bringing that lakers-kings series up
Simple man because I was making the note of Coach Adelman being a guy who tightens up when the pressure hit, just like he did in the Laker/Kings playoff battles. He's going to tighten up again once this series hit the pressure point. If you'd read the previous post before yours you'd understand where I was going.
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Re: We're winning the mental battle 

Post#48 » by DEEP3CL » Fri May 8, 2009 9:31 pm

T-Mac United wrote:Even the Lakers' players admitted that they were nervous after losing Game 1. That shows how much our guys got into their heads. Perhaps it was a wake up call.

As for the Lakers not playing their best basketball, keep in mind that the Rockets are one of the top defensive teams in the league. Buckets aren't going to come with ease.
Where in hell did you find those quotes ? That was the furthest thing from the truth here in L.A. I'd like to see those quotes, it's not like the Lakers haven't been down in a series before. Nobody panicked.
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Re: We're winning the mental battle 

Post#49 » by dingclancy » Sat May 9, 2009 7:09 am

You gotta admit the game was lost mentally. Rockets were impatient once again. Deer in the headlights I might say. Once the Lakers pulled away your guards did not bother settling down. You can count it on experience though. Artest played well if not for those normally stupid shots which he takes regularly. Von Wafer is like a stupid raging bull when he gets the ball. Aaron Brooks got flustered by Farmar. Rockets get rattled easily and the Lakers know how to play the type of defense to frustrate the Rockets. I said in the Gen Board game thread that the more disciplined team will win the game.

As for the Lakers side, I do not like the fact that they were settling for quick jumpshots in the second quarter but other than that they played a very disciplined game.
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