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Re: Off-Season Moves that will make us Contenders 

Post#21 » by S.I.C. GM » Wed May 6, 2009 8:26 pm

crazykidd2k6 wrote:I
Again, can someone tell me the weaknees of the team if we have these players? Why is not a contender?


Unless we sign or trade for another BIG time star and Fire Frank, we not going to be contenders(Title).

These would make us contenders to get into the playoffs. One of these may not be enough, but the first one is necessary.
Frank getting Fired
Drafting Griffin or Rubio
Trade for, Draft or Signing a young Defensive PF or Moose like Thorn likes to say
Trade for, Draft, or Sign a starting caliber SF or SG
Change the Offensive focus from G specific to Lopez specific
Change the Defensive Mentality away from "Forwards arent good enough to defend Man to Man" to Learn to play Man to Man.
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Re: Off-Season Moves that will make us Contenders 

Post#22 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed May 6, 2009 9:08 pm

crazykidd2k6 wrote:I didn't say Miller is a great defender I said he can be a good defender to a right coaching team. He has the tools that is needed to be a good lockdown defender. He is very long, average height, good upper body strength, descent speed.

Miller has been in the league like 8 or 9 years. He is not going to transform from a bad defender(yes, a bad defender, not a good defender) to a good defender or even(laugh, cough cough, laugh), a good lockdown defender, I don't care what his physical attributes are.
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Re: Off-Season Moves that will make us Contenders 

Post#23 » by crazykidd2k6 » Wed May 6, 2009 10:20 pm

Do you really think playing for 8 or 9 years matters on defense? Defense is not about talent it is all on mentality and how much hardwork you put in it to it. The fact that Miller played with teams that don't even play defense (Orlando, Memphis, Minny) or defensive minded team at all is the reason why the numbers are horrible. Lawrence Frank is a defensive minded coach. Defense is a big priority to our team. Since Miller do have all the physical attributes of being a good lockdown d why couldn't he be a good defender even if he played for almost a decade.

And Again, can someone tell me the weakneses of the team if we have these players? Why is it not a contender? No one is answering my question.

Harris/Dooling
Miller/Fernandez/CDR
Outlaw/Brewer/Najera
Love/Smith/Anderson
Lopez
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Re: Off-Season Moves that will make us Contenders 

Post#24 » by Preludepunk27 » Thu May 7, 2009 2:48 am

crazykidd2k6 wrote:Do you really think playing for 8 or 9 years matters on defense? Defense is not about talent it is all on mentality and how much hardwork you put in it to it. The fact that Miller played with teams that don't even play defense (Orlando, Memphis, Minny) or defensive minded team at all is the reason why the numbers are horrible. Lawrence Frank is a defensive minded coach. Defense is a big priority to our team. Since Miller do have all the physical attributes of being a good lockdown d why couldn't he be a good defender even if he played for almost a decade.

And Again, can someone tell me the weakneses of the team if we have these players? Why is it not a contender? No one is answering my question.

Harris/Dooling
Miller/Fernandez/CDR
Outlaw/Brewer/Najera
Love/Smith/Anderson
Lopez


Check that stat again. Memphis was the best defensive team in basketball one of those years he was there. They still couldn't get out of the 1st round lol but one year I know for certain they were the #1 defensive team. Czar was their coach. You can't slack on defense when he's your coach...which is why I want him coaching the Nets.
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Post#25 » by crazykidd2k6 » Thu May 7, 2009 10:54 pm

PreludePunk I believe it was Hubie Brown was coaching those years when they were a good defensive team and I remember that year because they were talking about the Grizzlies never getting to the second round in the NBA history. I remember nobody played above 30 minutes except for Pau. Anyway that team's problem was they did not have a point guard It was Pau and Miller Scoring and Shane Battier and Eddie Jones was there best defenders.

Anyway, if anyone still argueing with me can somone answer my question?
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Post#26 » by halfHAVOC » Thu May 7, 2009 11:30 pm

if you aren't getting a superstar player in return and u want to win a title, you shouldn't trade VC, we just need to get a REAL power forward and not this Yi or simmons small lineup bull.
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Post#27 » by crazykidd2k6 » Fri May 8, 2009 12:04 am

halfhavoc we do have a star player and it is Devin Harris he has a chance to be a superstar. You never want alot of star players that will play in one team or they won't work well together the best number is 2. We already have players that have a star potential and it is brook. You want to build around Harris and Brook so they can reach their full potential. VC is a great player but he is a negative in this team. He is way too slow for a shooting guard and he is too short and not strong enough to gaurd the 3. He is not the player he is use to be. He still produce good numbers because he knows the game very well and makes very smart plays.
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Re: Off-Season Moves that will make us Contenders 

Post#28 » by S.I.C. GM » Fri May 8, 2009 1:54 pm

crazykidd2k6 wrote:Do you really think playing for 8 or 9 years matters on defense? Defense is not about talent it is all on mentality and how much hardwork you put in it to it. The fact that Miller played with teams that don't even play defense (Orlando, Memphis, Minny) or defensive minded team at all is the reason why the numbers are horrible. Lawrence Frank is a defensive minded coach. Defense is a big priority to our team. Since Miller do have all the physical attributes of being a good lockdown d why couldn't he be a good defender even if he played for almost a decade.

And Again, can someone tell me the weakneses of the team if we have these players? Why is it not a contender? No one is answering my question.

Harris/Dooling
Miller/Fernandez/CDR
Outlaw/Brewer/Najera
Love/Smith/Anderson
Lopez


First what do u mean contender?

Do you mean contending to win a championship? NO

That team is too young to be a contender for the Championship. Portland couldnt do it why do you think we can.

Contender to get into the playoffs? Sure in the East.

Based on what is Frank a defensive coach. Consistantly saying defense, defense, defense doesnt mean defense. The guy plays zone against teams that have good 3 pt shooters. The guy plays small ball when the F line is are all close to 7 feet. The guy doesnt even know who his best defenders are.

Frank is more offensive coach that doesnt even know how to be an offensive coach.
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Post#29 » by crazykidd2k6 » Fri May 8, 2009 8:38 pm

Sic.... What I consider a contender is a team that can reach the Eastern championship. Portland can't do it but we can because we have players that experienced playing on that level.(Harris) We can definitely make it far on the East if we have BOTH Love and Lopez we will be the biggest team in the east by far. Especially if we have shooters like Miller, Fernandez and Anderson. We can be deadly with inside outside offense. Then you add in harris a great scoring slasher

Frank IS a defensive coach. Do you understand our offense style? Dribble and Drive do you understand how tiring that is for BOTH Harris and VC?!? which is our only playmakers? We have to play zone defense for 2 IMPORTANT REASON first to give VC and Harris our only playmakers some rest AND hide the teams MAIN weakness and its our inside defense. THATS the reason why we help defense so much to hide our weaknesses. Frank has no other choice.

Our record is good for the players we have. The reason why we were winnning so much in the beginning because nobody play our style of offense in the NBA so people have to get use to it. The reason why we started loosing coaches starts to catch on and our ONLY OFFENSE (Harris and VC) are tired on the second half of the season. and not to mention our only offense comes from slashing and that's pretty much it.

And again can somebody answer my question?
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Re: Off-Season Moves that will make us Contenders 

Post#30 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri May 8, 2009 9:05 pm

crazykidd2k6 wrote:And again can somebody answer my question?

Bad coaching. Bad perimeter defense. Weakest starting frontcourt in the league, no exxageration. Lack of a 3rd point guard. Injury prone backup 2 guard. Bad coaching. Point guard who plays a little too erractic at this point, doesn't involve he team enough. Bad coaching. Oh, and did I mention, bad coaching.
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Re: Off-Season Moves that will make us Contenders 

Post#31 » by S.I.C. GM » Sat May 9, 2009 5:26 pm

crazykidd2k6 wrote:Frank IS a defensive coach. Do you understand our offense style? Dribble and Drive do you understand how tiring that is for BOTH Harris and VC?!? which is our only playmakers? We have to play zone defense for 2 IMPORTANT REASON first to give VC and Harris our only playmakers some rest AND hide the teams MAIN weakness and its our inside defense. THATS the reason why we help defense so much to hide our weaknesses. Frank has no other choice.


Sorry man, but you may think he is but your comments dont say so.

If he is a defensive coach, why wouldnt he implement an offense that doenst support your defensive philosophies? Why use an offense that diminishes your goal on the other end


crazykidd2k6 wrote:And again can somebody answer my question?


I dont know what answer you are looking for, but many people have given you their thoughts about the situation. This is getting to be really ridiculous.
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Re: Off-Season Moves that will make us Contenders 

Post#32 » by Playermaker » Sat May 9, 2009 11:42 pm

Adding Wilcox to front line give Nets huge lineup with Brook at 5, Wilcox 4, and Yi at 3. Carter and Harris in backcourt and you got a Eastern Conference Final at least.
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Re: Off-Season Moves that will make us Contenders 

Post#33 » by Preludepunk27 » Sun May 10, 2009 4:36 am

^^^ haha let's not get carried away. Plus, Yi can't play the 3. You could make an argument because he plays from from the basket on offense. He's an athletic guy, but there is NO way he can guard a SF on defense. Neither can Wilcox, so any team with an above average small forward would score at will on us.
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Re: Off-Season Moves that will make us Contenders 

Post#34 » by NetsForce » Sun May 10, 2009 4:44 am

I want one of:

Paul Millsap, Jason Maxiell, Craig Smith, Carl Landry to pair with Brook.

Millsap we have no shot at getting, I think the Pistons are going to want to hold onto Maxiell with the departure of Rasheed imminent, and the Rockets really value Carl Landry so we'd probably have to overpay to get them to think about moving him...

I guess that leaves us with Craig "Rhino" Smith =\

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