Bynum

LongTimeFan · Post #1 » by **LongTimeFan** » Sat May 9, 2009 10:44 am

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I just want to say, I told you so. I said after the injury he'd never feel safe on the floor with Kobe, and he doesn't. That was an incredibly reckless play on Kobe's part, and he's gotten a pass on it. Deep down inside, Bynum can't forget it.

Kobe1986 · Post #2 » by **Kobe1986** » Sat May 9, 2009 4:35 pm

look man bynum just needs time once he gets that first step back watch out. u guys dont even wanna face lakers this year u will get blown away

celticfan42487 · Post #3 » by **celticfan42487** » Sun May 10, 2009 12:14 am

Bynum's a sheep that Perkins will have a good time against. Won't have to leave the paint like he did with Gasol nor does he have to fear the passes or terrific mid-range shot.

I wish Bynum was healthy last year and we got to matchup Perkins on Bynumn and KG on Gasol. Would of played right to our strengths defensively. Perfect matchup.

Al-Haqq · Post #4 » by **Al-Haqq** » Sun May 10, 2009 2:22 am

I love the fact that some Lakers fans say the Celtics don't deserve any excuses if they lose this post-season because of KG being out, because LA didn't have Bynum last year.

Upon questioning this, they acknowledged that Bynum is not as good as KG but his defensive value is the same.

Lol, what a joke!

If he's so valuable defensively then why is his 7' ass parked on the bench most of the time.

KG being out is much more of a defensive blow then Bynum being out. Period.

Lake Dynasty · Post #5 » by **Lake Dynasty** » Sun May 10, 2009 3:15 am

Al-Haqq wrote:If he's so valuable defensively then why is his 7' ass parked on the bench most of the time.

Cos he is not 100%. U actually needed help with that?

Al-Haqq · Post #6 » by **Al-Haqq** » Sun May 10, 2009 4:17 am

Lake Dynasty wrote:
Al-Haqq wrote:If he's so valuable defensively then why is his 7' ass parked on the bench most of the time.

Cos he is not 100%. U actually needed help with that?

Lol, please ... he's not playing well. Period. How many players right now are 100%?

I strongly disagree with the notion that Bynum's defensive value is equal to KG's to Boston. Simply not true. If needed I'll post the appropriate statistical data to prove it.

DelMonte West · Post #7 » by **DelMonte West** » Sun May 10, 2009 4:44 am

Al-Haqq wrote:I love the fact that some Lakers fans say the Celtics don't deserve any excuses if they lose this post-season because of KG being out, because LA didn't have Bynum last year.

Upon questioning this, they acknowledged that Bynum is not as good as KG but his defensive value is the same.
Lol, what a joke!

If he's so valuable defensively then why is his 7' ass parked on the bench most of the time.

KG being out is much more of a defensive blow then Bynum being out. Period.

I swear that the average IQ of RealGM has dropped 50 points in the last 2 weeks. I mean, this is bad comedy.

Normally I'd come up with a sarcastic quip about the underlined statement, but it's not even a challenge at this point. Rondo's feet were sore in the entire Chicago series and he busted his ass and averaged a triple-double. Surely the incomparable Andrew Bynum should have an impact that's 20% that of our little 21st pick, right?

Lake Dynasty · Post #8 » by **Lake Dynasty** » Sun May 10, 2009 4:59 am

he's not playing well. Period

Thank you captain obvious. Thats a given. A lot of Lakers fans have been upset with Andrew bad play, but we know he is still young and not over his injury yet.

No one is saying Andrew = KG. Some people said he is as important to the Lakers D as KG to the C's D. Its their opinion, they both play the anchor on D. I dont see how is that so offensive to C's fans.

celticfan42487 · Post #9 » by **celticfan42487** » Sun May 10, 2009 6:32 am

because Bynum is as important to the Lakers D and Perkins is to the Celtics D.

Not KG's impact on defense. It's a completely different world.

Al-Haqq · Post #10 » by **Al-Haqq** » Sun May 10, 2009 6:33 am

Lake Dynasty wrote:No one is saying Andrew = KG. Some people said he is as important to the Lakers D as KG to the C's D. Its their opinion, they both play the anchor on D. I dont see how is that so offensive to C's fans.

I'm not saying Bynum equals KG and nor are Lakers fans.

But they're comparing his defensive value to KG's defensive value. That could be their opinion, but they need to know that it's wrong and all statistical data suggests it not to be the case. They're entitled to that opinion, but they need to be aware they're completely off base.

Jajwanda · Post #11 » by **Jajwanda** » Sun May 10, 2009 6:51 am

To the moron who said KG against Gasol and Perkins against Bynum would have played to your strengths are you (Please Use More Appropriate Word)? Gasol had his best success against K.G. limiting him to a mediocre FG% and backing him down far more effectively than he did Perkins. He struggled against Perkins and the stuff he gets away with combined with his immense strength.

Consider the fact that the rebounding edge the Celtics had would be negated completely if not reversed by a full health Bynum, Gasol combo it would have been a very different story in the paint. The game 4 Ray Allen layup does not happen.

Plus Odom against Brown off of the bench, less weary and also ready to guard Leon Powe would be far better than Luke Walton.

The Christmas Day match up was a very effective preview between a not 100% efficient but still overall healthy (minus Farmar) Laker club versus Boston. Sure there's no Posey, but a number of Laker players were better right before the Finals than that Christmas Day matchup.

Kobe1986 · Post #12 » by **Kobe1986** » Sun May 10, 2009 4:46 pm

the main thing is let the lakers meet at everybody healthy lakers in 6

celticfan42487 · Post #13 » by **celticfan42487** » Sun May 10, 2009 5:38 pm

Perkins plays by far his most effective games against strong brutes.

Just see his body of work against D-12. Bynum is like a lesser Dwight Howard. He's practically played Dwight to a standstill because he can't be backdown and his monstrous standing reach.

I'll easily take my chances with Bynum out there against Perkins and KG on Gasol. Then have two players that can score and stretch the Boston zone with Odom and Gasol.

Last year BOS defense was made to be a zone defense, we had a lot of trouble against the two talented passing and shooting big lineup with Gasol and Odom.

Put Bynumn out there and let Perkins be our second blocker near the hoop only focusing on boxing out Bynumn and the Lakers would have an extremely hard time scoring anything. It would be a perfect matchup for our bigs.

And yes Posey/Powe would be our PF against Odom off the bench. Powe is a fantastic one on one defender and gets an enormous amount of charges called when being backed down.

So does Posey but Posey flops, he doesn't play defense like Powe lol.

Bynum healthy would of just played into BOS's strengths defensively last year. It would of been great.

Dogen · Post #14 » by **Dogen** » Sun May 10, 2009 6:29 pm

Lake Dynasty wrote:
Al-Haqq wrote:If he's so valuable defensively then why is his 7' ass parked on the bench most of the time.

Cos he is not 100%. U actually needed help with that?

Actually, he is 100% mental.

Jajwanda · Post #15 » by **Jajwanda** » Sun May 10, 2009 6:48 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:Perkins plays by far his most effective games against strong brutes.

Just see his body of work against D-12. Bynum is like a lesser Dwight Howard. He's practically played Dwight to a standstill because he can't be backdown and his monstrous standing reach.

I'll easily take my chances with Bynum out there against Perkins and KG on Gasol. Then have two players that can score and stretch the Boston zone with Odom and Gasol.

Last year BOS defense was made to be a zone defense, we had a lot of trouble against the two talented passing and shooting big lineup with Gasol and Odom.

Put Bynumn out there and let Perkins be our second blocker near the hoop only focusing on boxing out Bynumn and the Lakers would have an extremely hard time scoring anything. It would be a perfect matchup for our bigs.

And yes Posey/Powe would be our PF against Odom off the bench. Powe is a fantastic one on one defender and gets an enormous amount of charges called when being backed down.

So does Posey but Posey flops, he doesn't play defense like Powe lol.

Bynum healthy would of just played into BOS's strengths defensively last year. It would of been great.

Garnett sagged off of Odom and Odom didn't make him pay at all. Any time that rebounds with or better than Boston had a chance in every game last year. The difference to our defense would have been immense. You can't zone against every player when Gasol can simply pass out of the post up against Garnett with great efficiency.

Our offense probably would have been no better but our team defense would have been far better as I've already discussed. Odom could have easily been very productive against Powe and played great defense against him and Brown.

We don't rely on Bynum to be D-12, he doesn't have to score almost at all for us because he's the third option when healthy. If Odom isn't hitting his mid or long range jumper he's not more effective offensively than Bynum. Also it makes Gasol far more effective when he's against Garnett. The difference was staggering. Gasol could back him down and at times did. He was too weak last year to do that to Perkins. Perkins played him far better.

celticfan42487 · Post #16 » by **celticfan42487** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:29 pm

So you were paying attention last final. Although if KG was just backing off, why couldn't Powe or Posey do the same? And I still think you're underrating the post defender that Powe is.

Regardless, I was just having fun with you laker fans because I know you hold onto the crutch of a healthy Bynumn means you wouldn't of loss last year.

But yes, definitely Gasol plays a lot better against KG then Perkins and that matchup alone allowing Gasol to go to work would of completely changed the series.

That and having two blockers like BOS on defense to help out a very poor perimeter team [kobe is decent, Fisher was too slow, Radman and Sasha were flat out horrible] would of at least covered some of the bleeding.

But you were able to reply to my posts with well thought out arguments and not resort to name calling or anything. I award you a RealGM point. And for what it's worth I agree with your arguments over mine, I'm just a fan of debating.

chakdaddy · Post #17 » by **chakdaddy** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:45 pm

Bynum might be as important to the Lakers defense as KG is to the Celtics...but the difference is Bynum elevates the Lakers defense from below average to average; whereas KG elevates the Celtics from average to elite...

If LA is allowed to use Bynum's injury as an excuse for last year, we can do the same since we obviously would have won in '87 and '88 with a health Walton!

I'm sure a 10 ppg, 8 rpg big man would have made a huge difference last year! First guy elected to the HOF for nearly averaging a double/double.

Al-Haqq · Post #18 » by **Al-Haqq** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:38 pm

chakdaddy wrote:Bynum might be as important to the Lakers defense as KG is to the Celtics...but the difference is Bynum elevates the Lakers defense from below average to average; whereas KG elevates the Celtics from average to elite...

... that's the thing though ... he isn't. The stats do not suggest that.

KG's defensive value and Bynum's defensive value are not the same.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #19 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Mon May 11, 2009 10:21 am

So according to Lakers fans all we heard this past year was they woulda won in the Finals if they had Bynum...yet we're not allowed to say the same thing about KG this year? OK...

I mean, how dare we question the heart and talent of Wilt KarAndrew Abdul-JaBynum Chamberlain!!

Post #20 » by **sully00** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:33 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:So according to Lakers fans all we heard this past year was they woulda won in the Finals if they had Bynum...yet we're not allowed to say the same thing about KG this year? OK...

I mean, how dare we question the heart and talent of Wilt KarAndrew Abdul-JaBynum Chamberlain!!

Thanks for using his full name I was unsure of who this thread was about at first.

Were not very good anymore so it is difficult to be optimistic but I am hoping with all of my heart that the Rockets take them out.