so how do you see this Josh Childress situaiton ending up?

johnny878 · Post #1 » by **johnny878** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:57 am

will they give up his rights?

raleigh · Post #2 » by **raleigh** » Mon May 11, 2009 2:06 am

No reason for the Hawks to give up his rights this season because they're over the cap. 2010 is another story...

johnny878 · Post #3 » by **johnny878** » Mon May 11, 2009 2:20 am

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/pri ... dress.html

in this article he says he hasnt ruled otu coming back to the nba this offseason, but im sure with everyone saving cash for 2010. the offers will not be good, so he will probably wait a year.

LL Cool Scott · Post #4 » by **LL Cool Scott** » Mon May 11, 2009 2:34 am

I'd love to have him back. He has absolutely zero bargaining power, so we could sign him cheap. Plus, he was a great bench player for us and would make us that much deeper.

If he doesn't fit our plans here, he'd also be a great piece for a sign and trade if we're going to go after Bosh or Amare.

raleigh · Post #5 » by **raleigh** » Mon May 11, 2009 2:46 am

LL Cool Scott wrote:He has absolutely zero bargaining power, so we could sign him cheap.

Childress has a TON of bargaining power in the form of a bloated contract with Olympiacos.

theatlfan · Post #6 » by **theatlfan** » Mon May 11, 2009 3:05 am

I still see a SNT with him this off-season. Supposedly, there's bad blood between the Hawks' FO and Chills so I don't expect to see him back in a Hawks uniform, but I do get the feeling that Chills is looking to come back to the states. It sounds nice to have a "working holiday" in Athens, Greece for 3 years, but he's been a long way from home for a long time.

As far as whether other teams would look @ him, sure they would. As much as 1 poster here bashes him, I like(d) him. He was/is an incredibly efficient scorer and had amazing b-ball IQ (well, at least as compared to some of our other guys...). A Jack of all Trades type that could be passable as a point F and played the baseline like a maestro - especially without the ball. On D, he was long and had average athleticism, but his b-ball IQ allowed him to hold up on this end as well.

If a team needs a superstar, then yeah, they're better off holding on to their $$$ for a year and see if they can lure a LeBron, Bosh, Wade, JJ, etc. in the FA pool next year. If they're looking for a versatile bench player who can fill many roles on the court to help get a team "over the hump", then Chills is someone that they should investigate.

ATL DirtyBird · Post #7 » by **ATL DirtyBird** » Mon May 11, 2009 3:45 am

^^^ So you dont think Joe will get his extension this summer?

theatlfan · Post #8 » by **theatlfan** » Mon May 11, 2009 5:52 am

SneakerKing33 wrote:^^^ So you dont think Joe will get his extension this summer?

I'm guessing no. How much would we offer? How much would he take? I couldn't see Sund offering another max contract to someone who'd be in his mid-30's when the contract expires; I'm not sure if Johnson would take less since he was the building block of some putrid teams for a few years. I can't see either side giving either. Sund doesn't want an albatross contract when having to sign Horford or acquiring depth; Johnson knows that just about every team in the NBA is trying to maximize their cap room for next year's FA crop. If a team loses out on the some of the superstars, then they might throw some $$$ @ Joe so they don't come away empty handed. Joe knows that he has leverage; Sund has proven to be a tough negotiator.

I will say this though: even without an extension, we wouldn't trade Joe unless we're out of the playoff race by the trading deadline.

NetsForce · Post #9 » by **NetsForce** » Mon May 11, 2009 5:55 am

I'd love for the Nets to acquire him through a sign and trade... I don't know how interested you guys are in the 11th pick but if none of the wing players the Nets covet are there I'd gladly throw that your way along with Josh Boone and another player or two...

killbuckner · Post #10 » by **killbuckner** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:30 pm

Childress has a decent amount of leverage. He can certainly stay in Greece and make a solid amount of money. One overlooked aspect is that accepting the qualifying offer this year would let Childress hit FA in 2010 when lots of teams are looking to spend money. Ironically the fact that many teams will have more than the MLE to spend might actually hurt Childress because I do not see him getting more than that, and if a team uses real caproom to sign a player they no longer have the MLE available to them. I can't find the numbers handy but I believe that his QO would be a 1 year 5.3 million dollar contract.

My best guess for how it will play out is that Childress signs a MLE sized offersheet with someone for 3 years. Honestly I don't know that the Hawks would match it with Marvin and Evans already at SF. For that price I'd think the Hawks would match and try and trade someone later but with this ownership you never know.

raleigh · Post #11 » by **raleigh** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:42 pm

NetsForce wrote:I'd love for the Nets to acquire him through a sign and trade... I don't know how interested you guys are in the 11th pick but if none of the wing players the Nets covet are there I'd gladly throw that your way along with Josh Boone and another player or two...

Atlanta would love to have a player like Boone in exchange for Childress. Josh C. will be BYC, though, so it might require some creativity.

parson · Post #12 » by **parson** » Mon May 11, 2009 3:41 pm

Enough of this being reasonable junk, how much for Lopez? I'd love to have him coming off our bench.

NetsForce · Post #13 » by **NetsForce** » Mon May 11, 2009 3:51 pm

parson wrote:Enough of this being reasonable junk, how much for Lopez? I'd love to have him coming off our bench.

>;=D Lawrence Frank tried bringing Lopez off the bench too but he just wouldn't be denied.

Does anyone know how much Childress earned in his last year with the Hawks, and around how much he's probably looking for in a new contract?

theatlfan · Post #14 » by **theatlfan** » Tue May 12, 2009 1:40 am

NetsForce wrote:Does anyone know how much Childress earned in his last year with the Hawks, and around how much he's probably looking for in a new contract?

Chills' contract was around $3.5 mil last year. I know many think he's an MLE type player, but the reason he jumped overseas was because he wanted more. We were offering slightly more than the MLE and there were other teams (PHO and I think SAS) who offered more but couldn't work out a SNT. I'm guessing he'd come back for a contract starting around $7 mil.

LL Cool Scott · Post #15 » by **LL Cool Scott** » Tue May 12, 2009 2:06 am

I don't think he has much bargaining power at all. He needs to come back here next year to be available for the free agent bonanza of 2010. Plus, he's made no secret of the fact that he misses home. Add to all that that he is wasting his prime playing overseas. All that = little bargaining power. Given the current economy, I'd be suprised if he gets much more than the MLE.

NetsForce · Post #16 » by **NetsForce** » Tue May 12, 2009 2:18 am

theatlfan wrote:
NetsForce wrote:Does anyone know how much Childress earned in his last year with the Hawks, and around how much he's probably looking for in a new contract?
Chills' contract was around $3.5 mil last year. I know many think he's an MLE type player, but the reason he jumped overseas was because he wanted more. We were offering slightly more than the MLE and there were other teams (PHO and I think SAS) who offered more but couldn't work out a SNT. I'm guessing he'd come back for a contract starting around $7 mil.

Eh $7 million, especially nowadays I think I'd start with an offer around $6 million you might be able to convince me to start him with $6.5 million if the raises are reasonable...

He'd be a perfect fit on the Nets though :-?

johnny878 · Post #17 » by **johnny878** » Tue May 12, 2009 2:33 am

NetsForce wrote:
theatlfan wrote:
NetsForce wrote:Does anyone know how much Childress earned in his last year with the Hawks, and around how much he's probably looking for in a new contract?
Chills' contract was around $3.5 mil last year. I know many think he's an MLE type player, but the reason he jumped overseas was because he wanted more. We were offering slightly more than the MLE and there were other teams (PHO and I think SAS) who offered more but couldn't work out a SNT. I'm guessing he'd come back for a contract starting around $7 mil.

Eh $7 million, especially nowadays I think I'd start with an offer around $6 million you might be able to convince me to start him with $6.5 million if the raises are reasonable...

He'd be a perfect fit on the Nets though

Josh Childress has a high opinion of himself.

TXSun · Post #18 » by **TXSun** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:50 pm

Josh Childress? we talking about Josh Childress? lol. Haven't heard much about the guy but I know he's happy in Greece. I see him finishing out those 3 years.

conleyorbust · Post #19 » by **conleyorbust** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:02 pm

LL Cool Scott wrote:I don't think he has much bargaining power at all. He needs to come back here next year to be available for the free agent bonanza of 2010. Plus, he's made no secret of the fact that he misses home. Add to all that that he is wasting his prime playing overseas. All that = little bargaining power. Given the current economy, I'd be suprised if he gets much more than the MLE.

I'm sure he'd love to come back here if he could rake in the same type of dough, or near it, that he's getting over there. I don't know if anyone would offer to pay him that much in an SnT though (I certainly wouldn't want the Hawks shelling out that kind of cash for him) and if they did they might just try and get rid of a bad contract plus a middling pick.

KWSN-Men · Post #20 » by **KWSN-Men** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:20 pm

I wish he would leave Olympiacos and go back but I doubt it because he's making so much money. He was such a huge disappointment for us this year. The biggest bust in Euroleague history probably.