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Re: Haywood chatting today at 2:00 on espn 

Post#21 » by pancakes3 » Fri May 8, 2009 8:46 pm

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fishercob wrote:To be clear, I was being sarcastic. I dont think it's a big deal either, nor did I think it was a big deal when Jamison -- who was in the foxhole with the kids all year -- called them out (none by name, mind you).


sorry bout that. i took your comment as just a sarcastic aside but wanted to highlight the question you quoted (which i thought was a pretty good observation). i tried to make my comment separate (since i only added it on to avoid doing a second post) but i didnt do a good job of that.


more confusion. i think fish was replying to dat's reply. not yours.
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Post#22 » by Kanyewest » Sat May 9, 2009 7:55 am

ZonkertheBrainless wrote:Way to take my post out of context, Kanye.


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Post#23 » by Kanyewest » Sat May 9, 2009 7:59 am

TheSecretWeapon wrote:I think Haywood's comment is an example of why most players shouldn't be general managers.


Fixed. I mean Joe Dumars, Danny Ainge, and Danny Ferry are decent GMs. Jerry West is one of the best GMs ever. Although there are some pretty bad ones (Isiah Thomas, Kevin McHale, Michael Jordan)
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Re: Haywood chatting today at 2:00 on espn 

Post#24 » by no D in Hibachi » Sat May 9, 2009 2:43 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:I think Haywood's comment is an example of why most players shouldn't be general managers.


Fixed. I mean Joe Dumars, Danny Ainge, and Danny Ferry are decent GMs. Jerry West is one of the best GMs ever. Although there are some pretty bad ones (Isiah Thomas, Kevin McHale, Michael Jordan)


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Re: Haywood chatting today at 2:00 on espn 

Post#25 » by Benjammin » Sat May 9, 2009 3:37 pm

no D in Hibachi wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:I think Haywood's comment is an example of why most players shouldn't be general managers.


Fixed. I mean Joe Dumars, Danny Ainge, and Danny Ferry are decent GMs. Jerry West is one of the best GMs ever. Although there are some pretty bad ones (Isiah Thomas, Kevin McHale, Michael Jordan)


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Post#26 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon May 11, 2009 2:04 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:I think Haywood's comment is an example of why most players shouldn't be general managers.


Fixed. I mean Joe Dumars, Danny Ainge, and Danny Ferry are decent GMs. Jerry West is one of the best GMs ever. Although there are some pretty bad ones (Isiah Thomas, Kevin McHale, Michael Jordan)


Those are all former players when they became GMs.
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Post#27 » by pancakes3 » Mon May 11, 2009 2:13 pm

so you're talking more along the lines kobe running shaq out of town? or MJ being our vp of basketball operations? or even MJ freezing out isiah from the dream team?
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Post#28 » by Benjammin » Mon May 11, 2009 2:19 pm

pancakes3 wrote:so you're talking more along the lines kobe running shaq out of town? or MJ being our vp of basketball operations? or even MJ freezing out isiah from the dream team?


Magic early in his career had Paul Westhead fired. I think that current players certainly lack a degree of objectivity and perspective when it comes to personnel matters. However, I think it is also on case by case basis.
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Post#29 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon May 11, 2009 5:06 pm

pancakes3 wrote:so you're talking more along the lines kobe running shaq out of town? or MJ being our vp of basketball operations? or even MJ freezing out isiah from the dream team?


Yes. As Benjammin points out, current players lack the objectivity and perspective to make personnel decisions. Players are short-sighted, let personal feelings interfere, don't really understand the team's goals in the first place. I wouldn't have a problem with a front office guy asking players for opinions and intel, but no way in hell should the player be making the call.

For example, Kobe wanting to trade Bynum for Kidd. Even granting that Kidd is one hell of a player, and that he probably would do more to help the Lakers win a title now, it would have been an aggressively stupid trade. Bynum will probably be on the All-Star team long after Kidd is retired.

Or think about Jordan being furious when the Bulls traded Oakley for Bill Cartwright. Turned out to be a great move for Chicago (and Jordan).

Benjammin's thing about Magic having Westhead fired isn't a good example. First, because Magic didn't have Westhead fired -- Buss had already decided to can him when Magic popped off in the press -- and second because Westhead's replacement was Pat Riley. Had Magic actually gotten Westhead fired, it would go down as a great thing. Side note -- when Riley took over, and the Lakers started playing better (especially on the offensive end), Riley actually deserved no credit. He changed nothing -- in no small part because he didn't have time. They continued to run Westhead's schemes on both ends of the floor.
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Re: Haywood chatting today at 2:00 on espn 

Post#30 » by Benjammin » Mon May 11, 2009 5:11 pm

I wasn't saying that Magic was wrong about Westhead. It obviously turned out very well. Buss may well have already decided to fire Westhead, I don't remember. Occasionally an active player can give good advice, but the majority of time they do not.

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