Pau's lack of aggression

Mindflayer · Post #21 » by **Mindflayer** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:40 pm

How to add the Playoff sig. Below is copied from a Phil 2.0 post. I had to do it a copy times before it took and I think it took even after I got the resize error.

Go to your control panel and click "Edit Signature"

Add this ...

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Then remove the *'s

Hit submit and you are good to go.

dropbowsonem_25 · Post #22 » by **dropbowsonem_25** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:49 pm

aroba wrote:This post is totally unfair.
Pau was the only one trying to comeback and win, it doesn't matter if Lakers were losing by 1 or by 29. He made 30-9 on 11/17 shooting and played over 38 minutes, and those 30 points were legit, not fake. Maybe they should take those points from the final score?
I wonder were was Fisher's defense today over brooks, Or Arizas or Kobes over Battier, or Bynums dominance in the paint or Kobes leadership and points...
...+/- stat: Odom -22, Ariza -22, Fisher -26, Kobe -12, Bynum -10....ouch! Pau was -6 playing most of the game.
jeez!, I hate when people complains about Pau. He looks soft because of long physique, but he plays as much desired as anyone on this team, including Kobe.
He makes 30 and he gets all the beating. No, great. Seriously.
It's about time to start loving Pau, because he's the one and only that made this team a title contender. You'll miss him when he leaves.

no1 was arguin he didnt have 30, it was when he did, he was only aggresive in the 4th. where was the aggresion in the 1, 2nd 3rd Q. Everyone on this team deserves critisicim after that debacle, Pau needs to demand that ball, attack that bum center they have. dont wait until the 4th when the games all but been decided. hes the only one on the team that has a CLEAR cut advantage over his counterpart. Paus not the only reason we r a contender, hes a BIG reason but cmon Kobes been bigger impact. p.s ive complained about bynum, fisher as well lol

Dexmor · Post #23 » by **Dexmor** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:06 pm

dropbowsonem_25 wrote:I dont know why some games he comes out aggresive ie spin moves, pull up jump shots. attacking the rim etc. Then some games he is just set on being a screen setter and nothing else. There is no reason why a player of his caliber can be taken out of his game like nothing. Pau may not be all too blame on this, Phil needs to run some plays for him as well. i know for a fact Hayes is not an all time defender in any way shape of form. He is about 6inches shorter, he should be easily shot over. This is a trend with Pau starting from around game 3 in Utah, He should in no way be content with just being on the floor, he needs to put his stamp on this series. He should damn well feel disrespected that they are even pondering putting Chuck Haye on him, it is a slap in the face.

This is who he is. This is why a 7 foot young player was traded. He is awesome and so skilled. I like to copy big mans moves but he is so skillful I can't even learn from him. I like Gasol but sometimes he doesn't show up.

CowsMoo · Post #24 » by **CowsMoo** » Mon May 11, 2009 10:51 pm

I honestly like what Pau brings. Sometimes, I figure it's the other guys who fail to pass the ball to pau more who deserve the blame. Lakers lost, and that's on all the players, but Pau seemed to really push for it in the 4th, and we could've very much made an amazing comeback had more of our shots fell through, and our defense didn't collapse at key moments in the 4th.

And honestly, I don't think he's that inconsistent. Pau has responded a bit more to the criticism he has gotten since last year's finals, he's played really well this year, and actually had some great defensive plays this year. The adjustment to use him as a trap was pretty good too, and as far as I know, Gasol looked to be really good doing that. We probably missed Lamar in the end, and Bynum barely gets minutes and fouls anyways.

One thing unfortunate is the soft label will not go away as long as Pau is our starting center. And it's an unfair label.

BallAboveAll · Post #25 » by **BallAboveAll** » Tue May 12, 2009 2:45 am

I hate how he just ball watches at times. Letting guys shoot wide open jumpers or guys go by and get layups.

But I can't single him out. It's the whole team that has been doing for a majority of the season.

It sucks. I'm just overall displeased with out play in the post season. I didn't care for the regular season. I watched most of the games, but I was just ready for the playoffs to see the hunger.

Now that we are here we are not playing well at all. I guess we peaked at the allstar break.

I will always root for this team I just want to see more passion.

The Skyhook · Post #26 » by **The Skyhook** » Tue May 12, 2009 3:05 am

I would love to see Pau get mad one of these games and get a technical by getting in a guys face just to get him and the rest of this team pumped up. Pau had great skill but I wish he would have some type of motivational impact in these playoffs. What is really killing us is the fact that we just suck at rebounding. Its not just Gasol. Gasol, Odom, and Bynum aren't grabbing the boards. So many times I have watched those 3 just watch the ball go over there head or tip it back. If the Lakers shooters can't get it done we need Gasol, Odom, and Bynum to step up and be agressive on rebounding. There really should be no excuse what so ever on why a guy with the length of Gasol and Bynum should be giving up rebounds to the Rockets who are without Yao. STOP WATCHING THE BALL AND GO AFTER IT. If we can do that it solves one of our issues.

Post #27 » by **milesfides** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:22 am

Pau struggles with physical players. He always has. He's been a finesse player for his career.

It's not about lack of aggression, it's just that the Rockets are roughing him up, the refs aren't bailing him out, so Pau has simply been reduced to shooting jumpers or tough shots.

Yet, to be absolutely objective about it, I find that he's missing makeable shots - short arming hooks and nearly airballing free throws. That's all in his head.

He got it going late in Game 4, so I hope he gets his confidence back. Pau is a guy who doesn't like to force shots, so some people would always interpret this as a lack of aggression regardless of context.

TruSkool · Post #28 » by **TruSkool** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:01 am

pau is my favorite player on this team, with odom a close 2nd...
but to say he didnt do well isnt good...30 points 9rebounds and an excellent shooting percentage...u cant ask for much more from him...

what he does need to do is MAKE 200 freethrows before leaving practice.

spree2kawhi · Post #29 » by **spree2kawhi** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:04 am

the best thing that can happen to your ballclub is if you've got a guy capable of putting up 30 garbage points. seriously, the problems were on defense. this team needs a serious upgrade at PG, and take advantage of its size... give bynum another shot (if he's healthy)

KObe Bryant · Post #30 » by **KObe Bryant** » Tue May 12, 2009 4:33 pm

It was just a bad game, guys. All the first three games were okay especially 2 and 3. When you're losing, It's hard to get back momentum. If there's really lack of aggression from him in some games, I'm sure Pau will learn from this and bounce back to his game.

Joe Kleazy · Post #31 » by **Joe Kleazy** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:03 pm

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Joe Kleazy · Post #32 » by **Joe Kleazy** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:09 pm

3years and I FINALLY got a avatar and picture signature.

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Sofa King · Post #33 » by **Sofa King** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:10 pm

Joe Kleazy wrote::waaa: 3years and I FINALLY got a avatar and picture signature.

Congrats.

But your still listed as a rookie. :lol:

Joe Kleazy · Post #34 » by **Joe Kleazy** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:17 pm

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butter17 · Post #35 » by **butter17** » Wed May 13, 2009 12:46 am

Gasol gets took out his game when teams get physical with him. He needs 2 stay focus and use the good skills he have.

ALL HAIL · Post #36 » by **ALL HAIL** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:07 am

What if Gasol played with Magic?

Gasol would probably look almost as good as Worthy?

My point:

We need a leader/orchestrator to get Gasol (and Bynum) the ball and motivate him to stay in the game emotionally. Kobe is a GREAT player but as hard as he may try, he just isn't a NATURAL leader. Magic is, LeBron is, Kobe is not. In defense of Kobe though, I don't think Jordan was much of a leader either (he was given teams that followed him but he never really made guys better -- Phil and the system did that more than Jordan)

The way this team is built, with two big centers, we REALLY need a guy to get them the ball in positions to take advantage of mismatches and score easily. Right now, we are asking a guy who almost scored 100 points in a game and often "disliked" giving the ball to Shaq to feed our two bigmen and take advantage of our number one STRENGTH -- our size.

I love Kobe. He is a human video game, but he must show a more cerebral side to his game. With Kobe sometimes it's all our nothing. He is either trying WAY too hard to get people involved while passing up his own opportunities or he is coming out gunning the whole game.

I would really like to see Kobe find a healthy balance. Gasol (and Bynum) would really benefit if he did.

All that being said, WE"RE STILL WINNING IT ALL!

Don't get it twisted -- I just want to see them when the next three or four.

Anklebreaker702 · Post #37 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:08 am

DubaLakers wrote:Pau had 30 and 9 didn't he, damn'. if you want to yell at someone yell at that empty headed ab17.

I agree to an extent dub but most of that was in garbage time. You don't like to criticize Pau hardly at all but why do you want to pile on Bynum? He is coming off of an injury trying to find himself & deal with his dogmatic coach @ the same time.

dropbowsonem_25 · Post #38 » by **dropbowsonem_25** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:03 am

See what an agressive Pau does, he truly is the motor on this team. When hes playing like he did in game 5(aggressive, attacking the rim, looking to pass) the lakers are damn near indestructable. I honestly dont remember a game when he played well/confident and we lost. and even though there maybe games like that, i know there few and far btween. Pau opens the game up for us. he had a minimal impact on the box score but a great impact on the game!!! GO LAKERS!!!

MigrainePatrol · Post #39 » by **MigrainePatrol** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:23 am

dropbowsonem_25 wrote:See what an agressive Pau does, he truly is the motor on this team. When hes playing like he did in game 5(aggressive, attacking the rim, looking to pass) the lakers are damn near indestructable. I honestly dont remember a game when he played well/confident and we lost. and even though there maybe games like that, i know there few and far btween. Pau opens the game up for us. he had a minimal impact on the box score but a great impact on the game!!! GO LAKERS!!!

He's gonna need to play like that against Nene... It's not that Bynum can't but, with his injury still hampering him, I think Gasol can poke a few loose balls way better.

dropbowsonem_25 · Post #40 » by **dropbowsonem_25** » Fri May 15, 2009 8:09 pm

why is it that in a playoff game. gasol needs his head grabbed and pushed for motivation.he looked pretty upset in the press conference though. he stated we would win as well. as we have all stated b4, if gasol cant get going, we cannot win, hes too important to our game to be content being a role player. ive noticed all of our slow starts coincide with pau looking like he has the confidence of kwame brown