Josh is a coward. He left the NBA because he wasn't good enough to make what he thought he was worth. A lot of people predicted that tons of other players would follow him. No one has. I guess Josh is the only one with no pride to tuck tail and run for more money in an inferior league. Seems like nobody wants him, not even his Greek team. Reminds me of that sitcom "Everybody hates Josh."
I wish him nothing but the worst of luck for the rest of his career. And good job Billy Knight for being such a great judge of character.
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^^^ Harsh. I don't think Josh is a coward. In the NBA system he had no leverage. He was opportunistic and wanted paid. He got paid, but Olympiacos didn't get the type of player they expected. They really should have watched more Hawks games. He isn't a strong shooter. He's an energy player. He's not worthy of being paid that highly, never was. He's a dirty work guy who would work in a lineup loaded with scorers. I'm glad he's not here. He didn't fit. Not enough foot speed to be effective defensively. Not enough range to be effective offensively. He was another blown Billy Knight pick because he was an okay player, not worthy a lottery pick.
How does it end? We fail to offer him a contract and renounce his rights. He stays in Greece because no one will pay him what he thought he was worth. When Olympiacos makes it clear that he should come back to the US, he will and probably sign for the biannual exception. That's my prediction.
How does it end? We fail to offer him a contract and renounce his rights. He stays in Greece because no one will pay him what he thought he was worth. When Olympiacos makes it clear that he should come back to the US, he will and probably sign for the biannual exception. That's my prediction.
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evildallas wrote:^^^ Harsh. I don't think Josh is a coward. In the NBA system he had no leverage. He was opportunistic and wanted paid. He got paid, but Olympiacos didn't get the type of player they expected. They really should have watched more Hawks games. He isn't a strong shooter. He's an energy player. He's not worthy of being paid that highly, never was. He's a dirty work guy who would work in a lineup loaded with scorers. I'm glad he's not here. He didn't fit. Not enough foot speed to be effective defensively. Not enough range to be effective offensively. He was another blown Billy Knight pick because he was an okay player, not worthy a lottery pick.
How does it end? We fail to offer him a contract and renounce his rights. He stays in Greece because no one will pay him what he thought he was worth. When Olympiacos makes it clear that he should come back to the US, he will and probably sign for the biannual exception. That's my prediction.
I agree, I don't think he's a coward. He made a business decision that worked out well financially and not personally. For him, its a job even we don't view what he does in the same manner.
I also agree with your final assessment. I wasn't a big fan of his as a player. If another team wants him, I hope we can work out some sort of SnT but they aren't going to want him at the price he was asking last season and I'm not sure he's entirely willing to take a large pay cut just to say he's in the NBA. If we end up renouncing him this offseason and he comes back to the NBA on his own terms, he wins anyway.
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evildallas wrote:^^^ Harsh. I don't think Josh is a coward. In the NBA system he had no leverage. He was opportunistic and wanted paid. He got paid, but Olympiacos didn't get the type of player they expected. They really should have watched more Hawks games. He isn't a strong shooter. He's an energy player. He's not worthy of being paid that highly, never was. He's a dirty work guy who would work in a lineup loaded with scorers. I'm glad he's not here. He didn't fit. Not enough foot speed to be effective defensively. Not enough range to be effective offensively. He was another blown Billy Knight pick because he was an okay player, not worthy a lottery pick.
How does it end? We fail to offer him a contract and renounce his rights. He stays in Greece because no one will pay him what he thought he was worth. When Olympiacos makes it clear that he should come back to the US, he will and probably sign for the biannual exception. That's my prediction.
I don't think Olympiacos can move him back to the NBA though. He has player options but there are no team options and his contract is fully 100% guaranteed and there is no way possible to loan him to another European club because of what he makes. Even though certainly even at mid season the club was already hinting about wanting to replace him it might not be likely.
The only way that could happen is if he wanted to go back to the NBA and Josh said it himself that he is not going to the NBA unless it is worth it. In other words, "I'm not taking a 3/4 pay cut just to say I'm in the NBA". I think Olympiacos is stuck with him. Our fans are just hoping that he has a better season next year. But one thing I have to say is that he did show that he's a very nice guy and a very good team player. He's just incredibly overpaid for his production level and ability.
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i really don't see how anyone can call childress a coward. a person is gonna go where he can get paid and for childress, that place was in greece. i don't see him coming back this year, and i certainly don't see him coming back in 2010. childress is probably gonna spend 4-5 years in Europe while the new CBA is being ironed out. childress is gonna hone his skills and probably win a euroleague title before it's all said and done.
what that means for the hawks? it means that we probably shouldn't hold our breath on anything for childress. the ball is in his court and right now he is making more than all but the top 20-30 players in the NBA. after 3 yrs. he'll be an UFA and will be free to sign with any team he wants.
what that means for the hawks? it means that we probably shouldn't hold our breath on anything for childress. the ball is in his court and right now he is making more than all but the top 20-30 players in the NBA. after 3 yrs. he'll be an UFA and will be free to sign with any team he wants.
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KWSN-Men wrote:evildallas wrote:^^^ Harsh. I don't think Josh is a coward. In the NBA system he had no leverage. He was opportunistic and wanted paid. He got paid, but Olympiacos didn't get the type of player they expected. They really should have watched more Hawks games. He isn't a strong shooter. He's an energy player. He's not worthy of being paid that highly, never was. He's a dirty work guy who would work in a lineup loaded with scorers. I'm glad he's not here. He didn't fit. Not enough foot speed to be effective defensively. Not enough range to be effective offensively. He was another blown Billy Knight pick because he was an okay player, not worthy a lottery pick.
How does it end? We fail to offer him a contract and renounce his rights. He stays in Greece because no one will pay him what he thought he was worth. When Olympiacos makes it clear that he should come back to the US, he will and probably sign for the biannual exception. That's my prediction.
I don't think Olympiacos can move him back to the NBA though. He has player options but there are no team options and his contract is fully 100% guaranteed and there is no way possible to loan him to another European club because of what he makes. Even though certainly even at mid season the club was already hinting about wanting to replace him it might not be likely.
The only way that could happen is if he wanted to go back to the NBA and Josh said it himself that he is not going to the NBA unless it is worth it. In other words, "I'm not taking a 3/4 pay cut just to say I'm in the NBA". I think Olympiacos is stuck with him. Our fans are just hoping that he has a better season next year. But one thing I have to say is that he did show that he's a very nice guy and a very good team player. He's just incredibly overpaid for his production level and ability.
My implication was not that it would be done with contract options, but rather if the team truly feels he is a bust by withholding perks and possibly even being slow to pay. There are ways to make him feel uneasy without all out breach of contract. I don't know that they would do such things for fear it would hurt them in future negotiations, but they've already shown with Pargo that they don't have to play someone just because he signed a big contract.
Also, I don't think the divorce would happen this summer. He'll get a second year to try to earn his keep. I just think that before year three he might be made to feel unwanted and negotiate a parting settlement. We'll see.
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evildallas wrote:KWSN-Men wrote:evildallas wrote:^^^ Harsh. I don't think Josh is a coward. In the NBA system he had no leverage. He was opportunistic and wanted paid. He got paid, but Olympiacos didn't get the type of player they expected. They really should have watched more Hawks games. He isn't a strong shooter. He's an energy player. He's not worthy of being paid that highly, never was. He's a dirty work guy who would work in a lineup loaded with scorers. I'm glad he's not here. He didn't fit. Not enough foot speed to be effective defensively. Not enough range to be effective offensively. He was another blown Billy Knight pick because he was an okay player, not worthy a lottery pick.
How does it end? We fail to offer him a contract and renounce his rights. He stays in Greece because no one will pay him what he thought he was worth. When Olympiacos makes it clear that he should come back to the US, he will and probably sign for the biannual exception. That's my prediction.
I don't think Olympiacos can move him back to the NBA though. He has player options but there are no team options and his contract is fully 100% guaranteed and there is no way possible to loan him to another European club because of what he makes. Even though certainly even at mid season the club was already hinting about wanting to replace him it might not be likely.
The only way that could happen is if he wanted to go back to the NBA and Josh said it himself that he is not going to the NBA unless it is worth it. In other words, "I'm not taking a 3/4 pay cut just to say I'm in the NBA". I think Olympiacos is stuck with him. Our fans are just hoping that he has a better season next year. But one thing I have to say is that he did show that he's a very nice guy and a very good team player. He's just incredibly overpaid for his production level and ability.
My implication was not that it would be done with contract options, but rather if the team truly feels he is a bust by withholding perks and possibly even being slow to pay. There are ways to make him feel uneasy without all out breach of contract. I don't know that they would do such things for fear it would hurt them in future negotiations, but they've already shown with Pargo that they don't have to play someone just because he signed a big contract.
Also, I don't think the divorce would happen this summer. He'll get a second year to try to earn his keep. I just think that before year three he might be made to feel unwanted and negotiate a parting settlement. We'll see.
They can't do that. FIBA has new rules now that make that illegal. Avellino which is an Italian club that played in the Euroleague this year just got banned for withholding pay. In Greece both PAOK and AEK are about to be banned if they don't pay players plus fines, plus lawyer/court fees plus interest. The Russian club Dynamo is about to be banned as well because they were late on payments to 3 players and didn't pay fines, interests and lawyer/court fees.
And that means 4-5 years where the club can no longer play in their top domestic league or in Euro competitions. It used to be that it was up to each national federation but not anymore. I know ESPN and Yahoo and such in the US media report that no one gets paid in Europe and all that but they have no idea what they are talking about.
Clubs can't withhold pay anymore without having to pay huge fines and if they don't pay the wages, lawyer/court fees, fines they get banished from the league and even completely bankrupted and no longer exist. So Olympiacos can't do what you say. It's no longer allowed under FIBA Europe rules and all the ULEB umbrella clubs and leagues have to abide by them.
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^^^ Thanks for information. I was not aware of that. That does change the situation. As you said then, you are stuck with him. This revelation makes the decision to renounce much easier, but it must likely wouldn't occur unless the Hawks fall below the cap and need space to do something. That could be as early as late this summer or as late as next summer.
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chill is no coward. He made a good business decision and actually took huge risks, career wise.
As far as him being locked there, not so fast. he has to be willing to face the pressure of the passionate and extremelly demanding fans, nothing compared to NY let's say. Much much more intimidating.
if you do not win, they just don't stop coming to the games but they may make your life miserable...see soccer in europe for example.
As far as him being locked there, not so fast. he has to be willing to face the pressure of the passionate and extremelly demanding fans, nothing compared to NY let's say. Much much more intimidating.
if you do not win, they just don't stop coming to the games but they may make your life miserable...see soccer in europe for example.