Glen Davis

nyhuskyfan · Post #1 » by **nyhuskyfan** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:33 pm

At this point, would you trade him straight up for Corey Brewer, Yi Jianlan, Jeff Green or Joakim Noah?

Maybe Green, although I think the verdict is still out on him. He's putting up decent numbers on a bad team. But that would be the only one of the four I'd consider.

Of course, Green would have been the least likely selection at the #5 spot for the C's, since he's a small forward and that spot was full.

DorfonCeltics · Post #2 » by **DorfonCeltics** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:45 pm

That's a tough one. I'd def trade him for Green and maybe Noah too. Noah really impressed me this last series. Baby is just a way smarter basketball player than Yi or Brewer.

RickyDizzle · Post #3 » by **RickyDizzle** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:47 pm

As much of a bitch as he is, I would trade him for Noah.

Not because I think Noah is a much better player, but because we already have one undersized 4 that deserves minutes (once he recovers from surgery) in Powe. Noah would be be great to have some added length off the bench to backup Perk. He would give us another shotblocker which would be big too...

Perk/Noah
KG/Powe
Pierce/Walker
Allen/House
Rondo/Marbury

Dizzy

Scalamental · Post #4 » by **Scalamental** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:53 pm

Baby in Chi-town? I'll get Michael Sweetney flashbacks.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #5 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:58 pm

Noah would be intriguing although you're sacrificing scoring and team D for rebounding and shotblocking....hmmm....

GuyClinch · Post #6 » by **GuyClinch** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:24 pm

Jeff Green is pretty good so sure. I just don't see Noah improving though - so would likely just be a side grade.

PPAW4Life · Post #7 » by **PPAW4Life** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:39 pm

Baby is an 18/8/3 guy who comes up with huge blocks at the rim.

I think he's way better than Noah right now and can continue to grow.

Baby can hit jumpers, drive a little, score on the box against Howard, and he can pass. His bb IQ is very solid and he's shown he will put in the effort to improve his conditioning and his game.

NO to Noah!

Post #8 » by **sully00** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:40 pm

I really like Jeff Green so that one is easy. I really don't like Noah but he has improved his shooting so much that it is hard to argue against it. Brewer and Yi aren't very good so that is easy.

Banks2Pierce · Post #9 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:45 pm

A little off topic, but I just think it is funny how Chicago and Orlando fans have now both complained that he is playing way above his talent level. At one point do we say that the guy is just a good player and not lucky?

It's fine though, ya'll. Just keep doubting the guy.

Post #10 » by **sully00** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:47 pm

PPAW4Life wrote:Baby is an 18/8/3 guy who comes up with huge blocks at the rim.

I think he's way better than Noah right now and can continue to grow.

Baby can hit jumpers, drive a little, score on the box against Howard, and he can pass. His bb IQ is very solid and he's shown he will put in the effort to improve his conditioning and his game.

NO to Noah!

I am probably the biggest Big Baby honk going but he is more like a 16/6 guy and if that is the case Noah is a 10/13 with 2 blocks a game.

If you have Kendrick Perkins and Kevin Garnett Big Baby is luxury you can afford so you can put the emphasis on his scoring and clutch play.

I know it is hard for many to accept but this team isn't making any moves for the future with Leon Powe in mind. I wish him the best and I tend to be overly optimistic about recoveries from surgery but if he had microfracture the best thing for him to do is sit out the 09-10 season. I hope Boston somehow keeps him in the fold but I just don't see how he can play again next year if that is true.

return2glory · Post #11 » by **return2glory** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:47 pm

I like Brewer, Noah and Green. But I wouldn't trade BBD for any of those players. What people don't know about BBD is what he has inside. The guy has determination and heart. This makes him a hard worker and people are finally seeing how good he can be.

BBD is a special player. He is not afraid to take the big shot either, you can't say that about the other 3 players mentioned. People argued with me when I said BBD is better than Powe. Now they are seeing why. I would love to keep BBD and Powe because both players are hard workers that care about the game.

BBD loves the game and more importanly he loves life. That's what makes him special.

BlamePitino · Post #12 » by **BlamePitino** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:54 pm

Personally, I think Baby for Noah is a terrible, terrible trade for Chicago. When I look at Chicago, I think they should do everything in their power to keep this current group together, including hold on to Gordon somehow. When you look at their core of Rose, Gordon, Deng, Thomas, Noah, Hinrich and Hughes, it reminds me a lot of the Bad Boy Pistons, right down to their playing style. Ballhandling backcourt, trouble-making center, etc. If they could keep those guys together for a few years, and Rose continues to emerge, they could be a real, real threat.

Best thing the Celtics could do is trade Baby this offseason for a pick that could be worth something in a year or two (when we'll need it), and sign Rasheed with the MLE to take his place for a couple years. His value's as sky high as you can hope for.

Rocky5000 · Post #13 » by **Rocky5000** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:05 pm

It's hard to tell how many rebounds Glen would average on another team. In the POs, he's averaging 6 or 7 rebounds a game, which is pretty poor for a starting PF. But we have a point guard who is clearing 10+ boards a game, and Perk is averaging a double double of 12 and 11 in the playoffs. So when you remove those guys, there are only about 20 boards up for grabs the rest of the game . KG, who led the league in rebounding for many years while in Minnesota only grabs 8.5 playing the PF spot on this team. If you put Glen on another team, i think 8 rebounds would be within his reach. Maybe if he loses some more weight and increases his vertical some more (it's improved this year), he could get to double digit rebounds per 36.

nyhuskyfan · Post #14 » by **nyhuskyfan** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:52 pm

I just think its interesting that he was taken with the "throw-in" second round draft pick in the Ray Allen trade and has turned into a definite late-game option in the playoffs. I doubt the Celtics would have taken Green with the #5 pick, but we'll never know for sure. It seemed that most fans wanted Brewer, but some were willing to take the gamble on Yi.

BakersDozen · Post #15 » by **BakersDozen** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:12 pm

nyhuskyfan wrote:I just think its interesting that he was taken with the "throw-in" second round draft pick in the Ray Allen trade and has turned into a definite late-game option in the playoffs. I doubt the Celtics would have taken Green with the #5 pick, but we'll never know for sure. It seemed that most fans wanted Brewer, but some were willing to take the gamble on Yi.

I believe Danny said if he kept the pick he would have used it on Yi. I think he was also pretty high on Thornton.

humblebum · Post #16 » by **humblebum** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:14 pm

Eh I think it's a tough call talent wise when you look at Davis, Green, and Noah. All of those players are of similar ability with Green having the most talent of the three. In terms of a trade a lot depends on roster makeup and I'm not sure that Green would hold more value for the Celtics than Davis. But it's hard to argue with the trade because Green can play both the 3 and 4 and is a potential future replacement for Pierce.

Davis has shown that he holds a lot of value as a PF-C who's very solid in almost all areas of the game. His jumpshot and mental toughness make him very valuable as a role player. I think that ultimately Davis has great upside if he can get in better condition. He could be a fringe all-star if he lost 15 pounds, shredded up, and extended his range... a David West calibre player IMO.

And Noah is a great energy player, rebounder, team defender. I actually like him as a player quite a bit but his game is incompatible with Perkins, and Perk is going to be in green for a long time. Talent wise though, Noah and Davis are certainly comparable.

return2glory · Post #17 » by **return2glory** » Thu May 14, 2009 4:43 pm

And how many of you here thought that Adam Morrison was going to be an all-star or even a good NBA player?

Post #18 » by **sully00** » Thu May 14, 2009 4:49 pm

I am in no position to gloat about being a predictor of NBA talent, as I read that Brandon Roy is second team All NBA, not exactly the second coming of Ron Mercer after all.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #19 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Thu May 14, 2009 4:56 pm

return2glory wrote:And how many of you here thought that Adam Morrison was going to be an all-star or even a good NBA player?

I sure didn't!

GuyClinch · Post #20 » by **GuyClinch** » Thu May 14, 2009 6:17 pm

Morrison? Heh. Heck no - I don't think hardly anyone predicted greatness for that guy. Sad to say betting against an american born white guy has become pretty much a sure thing. Now put that guy against sub-par competition and you get Adam Morrison.. I am pretty sure Vegas wouldn't even let you make that bet.

I dunno what's up maybe volleyball is snatching alot of the american talent.. As for BBD no one doubted his talent. It's always been his conditioning that's been the issue. I don't think its any coincidence that he would come on at the END of a season - after a year of playing himself into some semblance of shape.