Laker's supporting cast - over rated ?

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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#321 » by guy1 » Mon May 11, 2009 5:06 pm

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Silver Bullet wrote:Hate to say I told you so .... but does anybody still think this Lakers supporting cast is the best in the league.


Yeah. When they win the NBA Finals will you delete your account? It's not like Kobe is playing great in these games that are supposed to show how overrated his cast is. 7-17 with 2 points in the second half. That just seems like typical Kobe...when the going gets tough, he's suddenly nowhere to be found.

Maybe if he kept fighting then Gasol's 4th quarter explosion would have cut the lead to single digits instead of getting it to within 15. Also, mabye if Kobe was in Battier's area code on some of those 3's, the Rockets don't jump out to an insurmountable lead.

The Lakers defense was bad, but Kobe was a part of that. They're still going to win the series and they're likely going to win the Finals. When the Lakers cast plays great next game what are you going to say?


The Cavs have won several huge games with Lebron having horrible games. Jordan wouldn't have even 3 championships if his supporting cast had sucked, 1997 (>) Eastern Conference Finals Game 7 - Jordan and Pippen both had horrible games against the Pacers, the Bulls still won. I can give you a 100 other examples. Superstars can have off games and their teams do still regularly come out on top. At this point, If you are not willing to acknowledge that the Lakers supporting cast is extremely soft mentally, you are not an unbiased observer and likely a Kobe Hater.


LOL at 100 other examples for Jordan. Sure, both the Cavs and the 90s Bulls won games with their superstars having bad games, because their supporting cast were good. However, there are WAY more times where they won games with Jordan or Lebron having to carry their teams with big games because their supporting cast was playing bad. In Jordan's case, he also regularly had playoff games where he was so dominant, that the supporting cast didn't really do much cause they didn't need to. And the game you're talking about Jordan nearly had a triple-double. He had a bad shooting night, but overall he had a good game. He regularly stepped up in other areas when his shot was off. Another good example of that would be the whole 93 series vs. the Knicks. Thats one big difference between Jordan and Kobe. If Kobe's shot isn't falling, he's most likely not having a good game. No matter what, there's no way in hell in a playoff game, Jordan would have a line 15/5/2. Actually, regardless of how bad he's shooting, he wouldn't have only 15 points, and his other stats would still be up. How about you bump this topic again once Kobe's cast has a bad game, while Kobe has a good game? You really have no point if all your examples are games where Kobe plays badly himself. As the superstar and leader, if he has a bad game, he should get more blame then anyone else.
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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#322 » by C'mon Cavs » Wed May 13, 2009 3:35 pm

Hate to say I told you so, but the Lakers won by 40...
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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#323 » by Dat Pass » Wed May 13, 2009 3:38 pm

C'mon Cavs wrote:Hate to say I told you so, but the Lakers won by 40...


Oh please. It was ONE game. And the Rockets lineup at one point in the game was Landry, Wafer, Hayes, Cook and Barry.. So seriously? Your really going to use yesterday's game as proof? :lol:
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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#324 » by guy1 » Wed May 13, 2009 5:40 pm

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C'mon Cavs wrote:Hate to say I told you so, but the Lakers won by 40...


Oh please. It was ONE game. And the Rockets lineup at one point in the game was Landry, Wafer, Hayes, Cook and Barry.. So seriously? Your really going to use yesterday's game as proof? :lol:


Its just one game? The supporting cast has only showed up for 1 game so far? So we're only going to bump this topic when they have 1 bad game (while Kobe has a bad game as well), but not bump it when they have a good game? Cause thats what the threadstarter has been doing.
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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#325 » by SwiLL2432 » Wed May 13, 2009 7:01 pm

Kobe>Jordan

U mad?
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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#326 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Wed May 13, 2009 7:24 pm

SwiLL2432 wrote:Kobe>Jordan

U mad?

LeBron + Wade > Kobe

U mad?
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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#327 » by Dat Pass » Wed May 13, 2009 7:31 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
SwiLL2432 wrote:Kobe>Jordan

U mad?

LeBron + Wade > Kobe

U mad?


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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#328 » by Wade2k6 » Wed May 13, 2009 7:36 pm

LOL Any Laker fan that is saying that The Lakers supporting cast is overrated is saying it for one reason: to make Kobe look better. Some of you Kobe nut-huggers are a joke.

There is no way in hell that supporting cast is overrated. It's obviously the best supporting cast in the game. LeBron has just done more with less during the regular season, and we'll just have to see how things turn out in the playoffs/finals.
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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#329 » by USA » Wed May 13, 2009 7:49 pm

The Laker supporting cast is the best offensively but defensively it is not even close to being the best. The Lakers supposting cast is definatley overrated when it come to defense.

Best supporting cast offensively=Lakers
Best supporting cast defensively=Cavs

Edge to Cavs supporting cast.
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Post#330 » by Volcano » Wed May 13, 2009 7:50 pm

I've seen a number of Laker games where Gasol has had a greater impact than Kobe
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Post#331 » by Basileus777 » Wed May 13, 2009 7:54 pm

The Cavs are loaded with great defenders, rebounders, and shooters and the team has excellent chemistry. The Lakers have none of these elements which are essential for a championship team. You can't just look at a list of names.
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Post#332 » by guy1 » Wed May 13, 2009 8:06 pm

USA wrote:The Laker supporting cast is the best offensively but defensively it is not even close to being the best. The Lakers supposting cast is definatley overrated when it come to defense.

Best supporting cast offensively=Lakers
Best supporting cast defensively=Cavs

Edge to Cavs supporting cast.


Not really. I never hear anyone say the Lakers are good at defense, so I don't see how they are overrated. That is really their main criticism. There basically looked as a potentiall great defensive team with alot of length in Bynum, Gasol, and Odom and good perimeter defenders in Kobe and Ariza, but they don't put enough effort into that. This is all true, so there rated about right. They are not overrated at all at defense.

And I don't see how that means the edge goes to the Cavs? Both their defense and offense would be significantly worse if Lebron wasn't there. The same can be said about the Lakers without Kobe, but not nearly as worse.
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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#333 » by Dat Pass » Wed May 13, 2009 8:13 pm

Wade2k6 wrote:There is no way in hell that supporting cast is overrated. It's obviously the best supporting cast in the game. LeBron has just done more with less during the regular season, and we'll just have to see how things turn out in the playoffs/finals.


Basileus777 wrote:The Cavs are loaded with great defenders, rebounders, and shooters and the team has excellent chemistry. The Lakers have none of these elements which are essential for a championship team. You can't just look at a list of names.


Great post Basileus777.
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Post#334 » by guy1 » Wed May 13, 2009 8:17 pm

Wade2k6 wrote:LOL Any Laker fan that is saying that The Lakers supporting cast is overrated is saying it for one reason: to make Kobe look better. Some of you Kobe nut-huggers are a joke.

There is no way in hell that supporting cast is overrated. It's obviously the best supporting cast in the game. LeBron has just done more with less during the regular season, and we'll just have to see how things turn out in the playoffs/finals.


The Lakers last year without 2 of their key supporting players of this year, Bynum and Ariza, made the NBA Finals. They dominated the West last year. And then this year, with the addition of both Bynum and Ariza, they win 65 games. But somehow they're overrated? LOL. The threadstarter is basing this off the Boston series, where they were missing two key players, and the 3 playoff losses from this year. Thats it. Thats ridiculous. The worse part is that his claim would hold some weight if Kobe played great in these losses, but HE DIDNT. His supporting cast played badly in the Finals last year and in the 3 losses this year, but Kobe played just as bad or even worse (5-24!). Its clear as day that not only are they just saying this to make Kobe look better, but to also excuse Kobe from possibly losing this year and/or give him all the credit if they win.
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Post#335 » by Dat Pass » Wed May 13, 2009 8:22 pm

Wade2k6 wrote:LOL Any Laker fan that is saying that The Lakers supporting cast is overrated is saying it for one reason: to make Kobe look better. Some of you Kobe nut-huggers are a joke.


Im not trying to make Kobe look better. Kobe himself has been pretty weak in a couple of games this post-season. But I think its absurd people claim Kobe has a ridiculous supporting cast, and then turn around and say that LeBron is doing it all by himself.

People look at the Lakers on paper and cream their pants.. But in reality, Bynum hasnt had much impact at all this season. Odom has been off and on all season, which is his quota every year. And Gasol has been solid. Outside of those guys, you have Ariza, Farmar, Fisher and Vujacic.

Obviously Kobe has eoungh help to win the title this season, but I dont think he has any more help than LeBron does. The Cavs defense is just ridiculous, even when he's not on the court. It makes it pretty easy to win games when you hold your opponent to an average of just 78 points per game. Their defense, rebounding, hustle and shooting are way too underrated.

My main point: Its frustrating that people look at the Lakers and think: Kobe is terrible if he cant win with this lineup... And then turnaround and think that LeBron would be the GOAT if he can win it with his "pathetic" supporting cast.
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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#336 » by Wade2k6 » Wed May 13, 2009 8:39 pm

Nobody says Kobe is terrible if he can't win with that lineup. And nobody thinks LeBrons supporting cast is pathetic. It's quite obvious that LeBrons cast is inferior to Kobe's (not by a huge margin, but by a slight margin). People just want to see Kobe win as "the man" and not as a 2nd fiddle. Even if Kobe doesn't win another title doesn't mean he sucks, but it does mean that he has never won as "the man."

And I agree that people underrate LeBrons cast, but that doesn't mean that Kobes is overrated.
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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#337 » by USA » Wed May 13, 2009 8:39 pm

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USA wrote:The Laker supporting cast is the best offensively but defensively it is not even close to being the best. The Lakers supposting cast is definatley overrated when it come to defense.

Best supporting cast offensively=Lakers
Best supporting cast defensively=Cavs

Edge to Cavs supporting cast.


Not really. I never hear anyone say the Lakers are good at defense, so I don't see how they are overrated. That is really their main criticism. There basically looked as a potentiall great defensive team with alot of length in Bynum, Gasol, and Odom and good perimeter defenders in Kobe and Ariza, but they don't put enough effort into that. This is all true, so there rated about right. They are not overrated at all at defense.

And I don't see how that means the edge goes to the Cavs? Both their defense and offense would be significantly worse if Lebron wasn't there. The same can be said about the Lakers without Kobe, but not nearly as worse.

I worded it wrong. What I meant that the Lakers are overrated in the sense that many people, on this board and the media, seen to think the Lakers supporting cast is way above everyone elses and I say they are not because of defense.

I meant the edge goes to the Cavs supporting cast because I think when trying to win the championship and I rather have a better defensive team than a better offensive team. Offense comes and goes but defense can be the one consistent. Also, you can't take Lebron and Kobe out of the equasion because then they would no longer be supporting cast.
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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#338 » by JordansBulls » Wed May 13, 2009 9:02 pm

The Lakers are loaded. This is the type of team you need to have to win it all. Inside game and outside game. Excellent PG and defender and great clutch player at PG as well. One of the top 5 best players in the league nowadays and top 15 all time. And one of the top 3-4 PF's in the game today with a top 4 Center in the league.
This team should be unstoppable.
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Re: Laker's supporting cast - over rated ? 

Post#339 » by Basileus777 » Wed May 13, 2009 9:06 pm

JordansBulls wrote:Excellent PG and defender and great clutch player at PG as well.


:lol:

JordansBulls wrote:And one of the top 3-4 PF's in the game today with a top 4 Center in the league.
This team should be unstoppable.


Did the Lakers clone Gasol while we weren't looking?
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Post#340 » by Dat Pass » Wed May 13, 2009 9:10 pm

JordansBulls wrote:The Lakers are loaded. This is the type of team you need to have to win it all. Inside game and outside game. Excellent PG and defender and great clutch player at PG as well. One of the top 5 best players in the league nowadays and top 15 all time. And one of the top 3-4 PF's in the game today with a top 4 Center in the league.
This team should be unstoppable.


Bynum has never been a top 4 center. He's always hurt or coming off an injury and ineffective. He's averaging 5ppg and 3rpg in the playoffs so far. He's not even a top 4 center out of the 7 teams left, let alone in the entire league.

Oh, and since when is Fisher an "excellent" PG and defender? Please, please tell me your joking? Were talking about the same Fisher that gets absolutely torched by Brooks every game right? And the same guy that is shooting 39% in the playoffs? And 24% from 3? :lol:

See, this is a prime example of someone overrating the Lakers.

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