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Do We Need A Power Hitter?

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Re: Do We Need A Power Hitter? 

Post#21 » by tsherkin » Wed May 13, 2009 5:28 pm

J-Roc wrote:This sounds like a discussion from last year, when we should have signed Barry Bonds.

For now, this lineup of consistent threats seems to be working. Kinda like the World Series years when Joe Carter was our "power" hitter.


Yeah, but lest you forget, Carter was a 34/119 and 33/121 player (HR/RBI) with 30+ doubles both years, an All-Star both years, top-3 in the MVP vote and a Silver Slugger in '92 and top-12 in the MVP vote in '93. It's not like he wasn't a good player, nor that he wasn't clutch. More importantly, we had 4 other guys hit 15+ homers (two of them hit 20+ and of those, Winfield hit 26), so it's not like we lacked for power. What we did also have was a lot of high-average contact hitting from Alomar, Olerud and Winfield (who hit .290) in that first year and 83 stolen bases between Alomar and Devon White.

Then in '93, Olerud and Molitor both jacked 20+, Carter jacked 33 and Alomar and White both jacked 15+ HRs. Meantime, we had 4 regulars hitting over .300 and three of them over .320. Rickey Henderson had 22 stolen bases in 44 games for us despite his crappy batting average and 48 on the season. Olerud drew almost 114 walks that year.

There's a DRAMATIC difference between Joe Carter not being as potent a power hitter as, say, Carlos Delgado and what we have now. We don't have the same kind of absurd collection of contact and power hitting in tandem with speed, so you really can't make that kind of comment. Our offense worked those years because we had a lot more than we have now in terms of every aspect of offense.

EDIT: That said, if Snider, Hill and Lind continue to maintain and otherwise develop, then what I said above is less important because we will be building that same kind of balance.
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Re: Do We Need A Power Hitter? 

Post#22 » by Raps in 4 » Wed May 13, 2009 7:15 pm

No, we don't need a power hitter. Wells, Rios, Lind, and Hill are all capable of hitting 20+ HRs (maybe even 30+ if we're lucky). However, look for Snider to be that consistent 30-40 HR very soon.
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Re: Do We Need A Power Hitter? 

Post#23 » by tsherkin » Wed May 13, 2009 8:39 pm

UssjTrunks wrote:No, we don't need a power hitter. Wells, Rios, Lind, and Hill are all capable of hitting 20+ HRs (maybe even 30+ if we're lucky). However, look for Snider to be that consistent 30-40 HR very soon.


I'd be pretty comfortable with our level of team power with we get Wells healthy enough to contribute 30+, Rios hitting 15, Lind hitting 20, Hill hitting 15 and then Snider hitting 20-30. That's the kind of power balance you look for if you don't really have a Ryan Howard or a prime Junior or whoever. Then we just need to improve our speed and running game and maintain our high contact average.
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Re: Do We Need A Power Hitter? 

Post#24 » by Raider917 » Wed May 13, 2009 9:30 pm

the Jays should try to get the Princely son of Cecil from MIlwaukee. Maybe Snider and (either) Purcey, Richmond, Mills, Romero or Cecil and Overbay could get him?


i would rather deal Snider than Cecil. Feilder is now what the Jays want Snider to eventually be.
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Re: Do We Need A Power Hitter? 

Post#25 » by Brinbe » Wed May 13, 2009 9:49 pm

Raider917 wrote:the Jays should try to get the Princely son of Cecil from MIlwaukee. Maybe Snider and (either) Purcey, Richmond, Mills, Romero or Cecil and Overbay could get him?


i would rather deal Snider than Cecil. Feilder is now what the Jays want Snider to eventually be.

Absolutely agree, 100%... If we're still in this race a few months ago, we should use anything short of Snider to obtain him. Swap out one 1B obtained from the Brew Crew in Overbay with another one in Fielder...

Scutaro
Hill
Wells
Fielder
Rios
Lind
Rolen
Barajas (maybe we upgrade here too?)
Snider

Not bad at all...
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Re: Do We Need A Power Hitter? 

Post#26 » by tsherkin » Thu May 14, 2009 12:13 am

Why would Milwaukee ever trade Prince Fielder for our young guys? Fielder isn't exactly old or even prime age himself.
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Re: Do We Need A Power Hitter? 

Post#27 » by Raider917 » Thu May 14, 2009 12:31 am

tsherkin wrote:Why would Milwaukee ever trade Prince Fielder for our young guys? Fielder isn't exactly old or even prime age himself.

their opening day starter was Jeff Suppan. aside from Gallardo and maybe Bush they arent very strong at the major league level. Parra and Looper and Suppan dont look that good to me.
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Re: Do We Need A Power Hitter? 

Post#28 » by SharoneWright » Thu May 14, 2009 12:56 am

Wells for _______________.

Oh, nevermind. There's not a single team out of 29 that would trade a 25+ HR guy for this former gold glover who will never win another and who swings at bouncing balls in the dirt with runners in scoring position.

Let me be clear. Vernon's contract holds the Blue Jays hostage. It is the reason we couldn't go get another pitcher to start this season, and the reason have no means (except by trading top prospects) to acquire a legitimate #4 hitter.

And yes, we do need a power bat. Red Sox had success with Manny and Papi. Yanks have ARoid. We got Alexis and "V-Dub".

However, the scope of Vernon's contract can not be ignored in answering your question.
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