Laker's supporting cast - over rated ?

Showtime:Part2 · Post #421 » by **Showtime:Part2** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:23 pm

did i mention luis scola thoroughly outplayed gasol in this series? i mean, walloped, detroyed, owned, killed, slaughtered. (except game 7, so thank you pau).

Dr Positivity · Post #422 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:32 pm

Only compared to the Cavs'. Cleveland doesn't have a Gasol, but they're a lot deeper and stacked at every position and physically and mentally tougher. Kobe has an awesome if soft frontcourt backing him up but absolute dogcrap perimeter help. Fisher/Farmer/Brown, Vujacic, and Ariza/Walton... that's trash.

Polvoron · Post #423 » by **Polvoron** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:14 pm

Showtime:Part2 wrote:did i mention luis scola thoroughly outplayed gasol in this series? i mean, walloped, detroyed, owned, killed, slaughtered. (except game 7, so thank you pau).

Owned, killed, destroyed...yeah.
12,9 ppg, 9,9 rpg, 0,0 bpg, 1,7 apg, 0,4 spg, 42.9 FG% and 66.7 FT%
vs
18,8 ppg, 12,0 rpg, 2,0 bpg, 2,6 apg, 0,7 spg, 53.1 FG% and 70.3 FT%
The first player destroyed, owned and killed the second one, right Koby fanboy?

JordansBulls · Post #424 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:28 pm

Polvoron wrote:
Showtime:Part2 wrote:did i mention luis scola thoroughly outplayed gasol in this series? i mean, walloped, detroyed, owned, killed, slaughtered. (except game 7, so thank you pau).

Owned, killed, destroyed...yeah.
12,9 ppg, 9,9 rpg, 0,0 bpg, 1,7 apg, 0,4 spg, 42.9 FG% and 66.7 FT%
vs
18,8 ppg, 12,0 rpg, 2,0 bpg, 2,6 apg, 0,7 spg, 53.1 FG% and 70.3 FT%
The first player destroyed, owned and killed the second one, right Koby fanboy?

Yeah it is amazing how Kobe fans put down Gasol when it is Gasol who led the team in win shares in the season and playoffs.

Dat Pass · Post #425 » by **Dat Pass** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:33 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
Polvoron wrote:
Showtime:Part2 wrote:did i mention luis scola thoroughly outplayed gasol in this series? i mean, walloped, detroyed, owned, killed, slaughtered. (except game 7, so thank you pau).

Owned, killed, destroyed...yeah.
12,9 ppg, 9,9 rpg, 0,0 bpg, 1,7 apg, 0,4 spg, 42.9 FG% and 66.7 FT%
vs
18,8 ppg, 12,0 rpg, 2,0 bpg, 2,6 apg, 0,7 spg, 53.1 FG% and 70.3 FT%
The first player destroyed, owned and killed the second one, right Koby fanboy?

Yeah it is amazing how Kobe fans put down Gasol when it is Gasol who led the team in win shares in the season and playoffs.

Please stop.. Just stop for the love of humanity.

You are quickly becoming one of the most annoying posters on here.

Silver Bullet · Post #426 » by **Silver Bullet** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:36 pm

Ball Boy wrote:Please stop.. Just stop for the love of humanity.

You are quickly becoming one of the most annoying posters on here.

Thank You.

Nice Sig btw.

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #427 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:37 pm

Showtime:Part2 wrote:did i mention luis scola thoroughly outplayed gasol in this series? i mean, walloped, detroyed, owned, killed, slaughtered. (except game 7, so thank you pau).

Scola didnt outplay Gasol for the whole series...it was just panic and blame when he did out play him, and it was very quiet when Gasol was having his way.

Dat Pass · Post #428 » by **Dat Pass** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:53 pm

CB4MiamiHeat wrote:
Showtime:Part2 wrote:did i mention luis scola thoroughly outplayed gasol in this series? i mean, walloped, detroyed, owned, killed, slaughtered. (except game 7, so thank you pau).

Scola didnt outplay Gasol for the whole series...it was just panic and blame when he did out play him, and it was very quiet when Gasol was having his way.

Gasol was either outplayed or fairly negated by Scola in Games 1, 3, 5 and 6.

Heres the thing though. Gasol is supposed to be the one of the greatest PF's in the league. (According to some people around here).. The other guy is freaking Luis Scola, a 2nd year player. Explain to me how Gasol, an All-Star, was almost negated in 4 of the 7 games by Luis Scola?

USA · Post #429 » by **USA** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:06 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
Yeah it is amazing how Kobe fans put down Gasol when it is Gasol who led the team in win shares in the season and playoffs.

Really? http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2009.html says Kobe has a higher win shares and PER in the playoffs. :wink:

Silver Bullet · Post #430 » by **Silver Bullet** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:09 pm

USA wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:
Yeah it is amazing how Kobe fans put down Gasol when it is Gasol who led the team in win shares in the season and playoffs.

Really? http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2009.html says Kobe has a higher win shares and PER in the playoffs.

Gasol has more win shares. But the calculation is biased towards big men.

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #431 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:11 pm

Gasol has his weaknesses but even JVG who doesnt seem like much a fan of his, agrees that hes probably the best 2nd option in the league......maybe u guys got a bit spoiled with Kobe as a 2nd option, hes not on his level or Pippen but hes better than most current #2s.

USA · Post #432 » by **USA** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:11 pm

Silver Bullet wrote:
USA wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:
Yeah it is amazing how Kobe fans put down Gasol when it is Gasol who led the team in win shares in the season and playoffs.

Really? http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2009.html says Kobe has a higher win shares and PER in the playoffs.

Gasol has more win shares. But the calculation is biased towards big men.

Where does it say that? In the playoff advanced section Kobe 2.2 WS, Gasol 2.1 WS.

Silver Bullet · Post #433 » by **Silver Bullet** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:24 pm

He's been talking about regular season win shares.

Dat Pass · Post #434 » by **Dat Pass** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:28 pm

Silver Bullet wrote:He's been talking about regular season win shares.

No, he said "and playoffs".

Look at his quote.

JordansBulls wrote:Yeah it is amazing how Kobe fans put down Gasol when it is Gasol who led the team in win shares in the season and playoffs.

Ito · Post #435 » by **Ito** » Tue May 19, 2009 2:53 am

Gasoft

amb1ent · Post #436 » by **amb1ent** » Tue May 19, 2009 3:36 am

pretty clever pun, you truly are a wordsmith

Showtime:Part2 · Post #437 » by **Showtime:Part2** » Tue May 19, 2009 3:37 am

bynum and gasol should each have averaged 20/12 AT THE LEAST once yao went down. if i played in a pickup game against someone 5'9", my team would always win.

eatyourchildren · Post #438 » by **eatyourchildren** » Tue May 19, 2009 4:30 am

Well, the Denver Nuggets supporting cast looks pretty good. If your star player is Melo, this his supporting cast is JR Smith, Billups, and Nene.

We all know the Cavs supporting cast brings it defensively every night and Mo is a great complementary player. On paper, definitely not as talented as the rest. But the cohesiveness and gritt of this group i undeniable.

Orlando's supporting cast is Hedo, Rashard, and Courtney Lee.

Is the Lakers' supporting drastically better than these supporting casts? I wouldn't say so, no.

Bgil · Post #439 » by **Bgil** » Tue May 19, 2009 6:08 am

Wade2k6 wrote:I love how all the blame is put on the supporting cast, but no blame is ever put on Kobe. Kobe didn't show up for game 7, his supporting cast did. And now all the sudden it's "OH WELL DID YOU SEE THE GAMES BEFORE??"

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Lol @ the idea of Kobe not showing up. Please stop depending on box scores for your analysis.

in fact, kobe took great shots in game 7 outside of that super deep bizaro three at the end of the first half. several of his misses drew so much attention that the bigs litterally walked down the lane to recover the miss and put it back in. He fed the post beatifully, controlled the tempo, played great d, and didn't force anything. Notice that Kobe was a plus 19 or so despite not playing a ton of minutes and just coasting through garbage time.

Anklebreaker702 · Post #440 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Tue May 19, 2009 6:36 am

Silver Bullet wrote:I keep hearing about how Kobe's supporting cast is so good, it would be insane if they don't win a title. I however don't see how they can win the title, when they have the softest players in the league from 3 to 11 (I didn't include Fisher).
Paul Gasol
Lamar Odom
Vujacic
Ariza
Walton

Which of these players would you be comfortable with taking a game winning bucket ?
Now I know Gasol is an all star, but so is Chris Bosh and the guy deserves to be an all star if the award were for the first 3 and a half quarters. But in the last 4-5 minutes of a close game, I'd rather have Jarron or Jason Collins over Bosh (at least they'd play some defense).

Ask yourself this, if it comes down to making a big bucket, who would you trust more: Mo Williams or Gasol, Boobie Gibson or Ariza.

If it comes down to grabbing a big rebound, who'd you rather have, Varejao or Gasol ?

If you needed a big stop and both Kobe and Lebron has fouled out? who would you trust more, the Lakers or the Cavs.

In every single case, I find myself picking the Cavs - even though I know, the general consensus is that Cavs have a much weaker supporting cast. I see it the other way. The Cavaliers have hard nosed tough guys, who can battle it out, whereas the Lakers supporting cast plays like a bunch of sissies when things get rough.

This is official Hateraide! The only person we call soft on the team is Gasol & that's only when he doesn't show up. Point blank period the Cavs are too Lebron dependent! The Lakers can strike from many ways & if these 22 teams meet in the finals you keep forgetting the Cavs have no inside presence whatsoever. Gasol & Bynum will dominate!