Anthony "Magic" Randolph vs. Blake "GETACHA BOI" Griffin

Post #81 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:22 pm

Durant can play PF or C in GS, it's not like you have to defend.

Randolph isn't in Durant's shoes because he isn't as good, he couldn't dominate at LSU, what makes you think he would be a dominant scorer with all of the defensive focus in OKC?

You really think Nellie would yank him if he were as good as Durant? Lmao.

maxwellcu · Post #82 » by **maxwellcu** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:55 pm

Serious question - how many superstar bigs started their career with averages of 7.9ppg/5.8rpg/0.1 apg on 46.2% shooting? Any, ever?

I understand he did that in very limited minutes but you can't just project his numbers upward and expect him to produce at the same per-minute output, it just doesn't work that way.

I think coaches might have at least a slight clue as to what their players are capable of and if he was truly capable of being a superstar at the age of 22 I think he would be playing more minutes and putting up bigger numbers right now.

TruE SExy · Post #83 » by **TruE SExy** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:47 pm

i guarantee u doubters that in 3 years, the absolute low end of ar's ceiling will be 18 ppg, 10 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 3 apg

high end: 22 ppg, 11 rpg, 2.5 bpg, 5 apg

he wont be as good as durant offensively, but he'll do things durant cant do

NetsForce · Post #84 » by **NetsForce** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:53 pm

TruE SExy wrote:i guarantee u doubters that in 3 years, the absolute low end of ar's ceiling will be 18 ppg, 10 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 3 apg

high end: 22 ppg, 11 rpg, 2.5 bpg, 5 apg

he wont be as good as durant offensively, but he'll do things durant cant do

Like cry.

TruE SExy · Post #85 » by **TruE SExy** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:56 pm

btw he will have beasley as his backup

Post #86 » by **FNQ** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:15 am

maxwellcu wrote:Serious question - how many superstar bigs started their career with averages of 7.9ppg/5.8rpg/0.1 apg on 46.2% shooting? Any, ever?

The 'serious question' part made it a gem... he's a 19 y/o F playing for Don Nelson... this wouldnt be half as funny if you werent the guy mocking anyone who doesnt think Melo's a top 5 player in the game...

No one is saying to extrapolate his #s into 48 minutes, thus he's a star.. they are saying he has star potential, and truthfully, he has just begun to scratch the surface this year... if he has one of those superstar work ethics like Kobe/KG/Wade, he could get there... the talent isn't in question. The questions are about attitude, confidence, and experience...

Post #87 » by **FNQ** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:16 am

maxwellcu wrote:I think coaches might have at least a slight clue as to what their players are capable of .

You'd think so, yet this guy sat for 1/2 the year and we started Azubuike and Maggette at power forward. There's nothing logical about what Don Nelson does.

Wade2k6 · Post #88 » by **Wade2k6** » Tue May 19, 2009 3:45 am

TruE SExy wrote:btw he will have beasley as his backup

LOL

The GS fans are going wild in this thread.

First off, he isn't a better prospect then Beasley, at all. Second, he is nowhere near as good as Durant.

I can't believe how much GS fans hype this kid. My god.

Post #89 » by **FNQ** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:07 am

Is having more potential the same thing as being a better prospect? Seems people just have trouble separating the 2... I'd say a better prospect is not only potential, but where they are now and how likely they are to realize it...

If AR shows up to camp at 220-230+ and is still as quick, I'd say camp Beasley will have to recognize... until then though...

killacalijatt · Post #90 » by **killacalijatt** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:08 am

Durant >>AR4
Right now
as for the future Iono i cant look into the future

Blake Griffen might be the next Todd Fuller or Joe Smith or next Karl Malone who knows how can you compare 2 players were ones not even a pro yet while the other has shown hes capable of holding his own in the NBA?

killacalijatt · Post #91 » by **killacalijatt** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:10 am

Double POst

killacalijatt · Post #92 » by **killacalijatt** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:12 am

Wade2k6 wrote:
TruE SExy wrote:btw he will have beasley as his backup

LOL

The GS fans are going wild in this thread.

First off, he isn't a better prospect then Beasley, at all. Second, he is nowhere near as good as Durant.

I can't believe how much GS fans hype this kid. My god.

Yeah and Beasleys gonna average 32/12/4
sucks when compare a whole fan base as one

turk3d · Post #93 » by **turk3d** » Tue May 19, 2009 3:36 pm

knicksNOTslick wrote:The homerism for Randolph is scary. Some of you GS fans have to get your head out of your ass. A lot of Knick fans were high on Wilson Chandler because also had a pretty good April during his rookie year, but in no way did we compare him or even look at him as anywhere close to a superstar. You should look at Randolph the same way. He's a two-way player but you need to see him do that on a more consistent basis. Plus, he has to bulk up to get there. Knick fans waited forever for Crawford to bulk up...and it never happened.

Anthony Randolph is good, he will be good but he has a long, long way to go. Please, don't overrate him yet.

No more homerish than people who want to compare Durant to the 2nd coming (yes I know that some Warrior fans call Randolph baby Jesus, but not me). I just saw in another trade thread where you guys are claiming that Durant > Bosh. lol. I brought in Durant mainly for the weight comparison thing (some of you were claiming that Randolph is too frail). I also pointed out that Durant shot only 28.8% from the 3 pt line his first year and just 43% fg %, nothing to brag about (we are doing 1st year comparisons aren't we?).

Randolph his first year shot 46% and average 11.9 rebounds and 2.4 blocks on a per basis (compared to Durant's 6 rebounds and 0.7 blocks). Yes, this doesn't prove that Randolph > Durant, but it does show (since I thought we're talking potential here) that Randolph's numbers are quite favorable his first year, especially when you consider that he was playing for a coach who essentially told him at one point during the season that he should talk to his agent about arranging a trade, this in comparison to Durant who's coach (and Sonic management) decide to make him their franchise player and the face of the team.

Then consider that in order to protect Durant from injury (from having to deal with players his size which is 6'10 which so happens to be the same height as Randolph) they played him mostly at the 2 guard (where he could dominate guys who were much smaller and didn't outweigh him) and then moved him to the 3. Whereas in the case of Randolph, he was forced to play against PFs and Cs who clearly outweighed him by a bunch, yet the kid didn't seem to be phased by it at all and actually performed quite well.

Here's a few links so maybe you can get a better idea over why we're so high on this kid (shows all the things he can do which is why he's unique). Everything I stated here is fact, so you can call it homerism all you want but I say all that it is homerism on your part unless you have something "factual" to refute it.

Against Yao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GAtyNm8vnE

Against Suns (you get to see both Anthony's in action)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsepV-kEIkY

Against Utah (a team which usually dominates us inside)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgyybTWnyaY&NR=1

NetsForce · Post #94 » by **NetsForce** » Tue May 19, 2009 3:38 pm

Durant was on a team where all the defensive attention was on him his rookie year... Randolph was on a team where nobody paid attention to him...

Wade2k6 · Post #95 » by **Wade2k6** » Tue May 19, 2009 4:53 pm

NetsForce wrote:Durant was on a team where all the defensive attention was on him his rookie year... Randolph was on a team where nobody paid attention to him...

Actually Randolph faced double teams regularly, come on NetsForce.

Volcano · Post #96 » by **Volcano** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:07 pm

lmao @ showing unimpressive highlights to make a case for Randolph

turk3d · Post #97 » by **turk3d** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:16 pm

Purpose of those highlights are just to give a sample of his skills and to demonstrate that most of the knocks on him in this thread are pure bs. lmao @ your comment.

Post #98 » by **Alfred** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:42 pm

Yeah, Anthony Randolph is okay. He's pretty good.

turk3d · Post #99 » by **turk3d** » Tue May 19, 2009 8:33 pm

Alfred wrote:Yeah, Anthony Randolph is okay. He's pretty good.

Props for trying to be honest Alfred. Kinda unusual around here.

Having said that, it's pretty clear who most fans favor and understandably so. Whenever you have a guy like Griffin (a big, physically mature guy who's proven himself in college) you almost always will take him over perhaps a more skilled but physically less intimidating guy. A lot of this is subjective. Put up the same thread against Durant (sorry nothing personal but he just fits my example pretty well) and you get the same results. However, I bet most of your OKC fans would probably select him over Griffin (we don't see too many OKC fans offering him up in trade for the #1 pick do we?).

A lot of it is subjective and only in the case where specific need is involved, you might see otherwise. We tend to like our own players and those who are we most familiar with.

Post #100 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Tue May 19, 2009 9:48 pm

Griffin is understandable, Durant... no. Neither of these guys can speak to Kevin Durant yet.

Which player would you rather build around?