R.Allen Vs. realistic SG trade options with numbers!

[klemen4]

I know, I know... no one said we will trade Ray Allen. In my mind he is still the best shooter in the game, but it looks he has problems finding his spot and being 34 years old I think with this 2010 hype and bad financial market I think we must trade him for present and for future.

I looked over the league and there are basically only 5 players teams will be willing to trade but of those 5 I think only 3 of them could make sense.

------------------------------ Ray numbers-----------------------------
.480 fg
.409 3pt (199-486) in 79 games
.952 ft (237-249)
3.5 reb
2.8 as
18.2 p
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OPTIONS:

Vince Carter (32 years) - 2 years left
$16,300,000
$17,300,000

.437 fg
.385 3pt (151-392) in 80 games
.817 ft (335-410)
5.1 reb
4.7 as
20.8 p

Vince would be motivated, no question about it. Can hit clutch shots, can penetrate, take over the game.


Jason Richardson (28 years) - 2 years left
$13,333,333
$14,444,444

.477 fg
.397 3pt (129-325) in 72 games
.769 ft (153-199)
4.4 reb
2.0 as
16.8 p

He is young, good 3pt shooter, a slasher...but I doubt his character.


Richard Jefferson (29 years) - 2 years left
$14,200,000
$15,000,000

.439 fg
.397 3pt (116-292) in 82 games
.805 ft (417-518)
4.6 reb
2.4 as
19.6 p

Hmmm...more of the sf, but also a great slasher, gets to ft line.


Just options:

Michael Redd (30 years) - 2 years left
$17,040,000
$18,300,000

Predrag Stojakovic (32 years) - 2 years left
$14,202,000
$15,336,000

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I would go with Carter...ok, only 2 years younger than Allen, but he can take over the game, create his own shot, is passionate and would give everything to get a ring. Also in last two years in playoff we realized that teams can stop Allen and if his shot is not falling we are in trouble. Vince on the other side is like Pierce, hard to stop, takes the ball to the rim, goes to ft line.

[jfs1000d]

No to Carter. This isn't fantasy hoops. First off, he isn't a better player than Ray Allen and isn't as good a shooter. Secondly, Carter is an ISO player much like Pierce and that will hurt ball movement. Before we run Ray Allen out, we have to make sure the player coming in fits with Pierce and KG.

Redd may work, but I find Allen still at his age a better player for next year. Now, if we packaging Rondo and Allen for DWade....

[canman1971]

Ray is better than all of those guys. Maybe Vince is better one on one, but he is not a winner.

[CroCop]

i cant even begin to describe how ecstatic i would be to get carter. You're right, he can creat his own shot just like pierce, he has ray allen range, and he can get on fire just like both of them. it would be an absolute nightmare for teams having to deal with two pierce's and a KG.

VC is another player who gets alot of crap for not being able to get it done as the #1 guy, just like Pierce, KG, and Allen used to get. Could you imagine having a motivated Carter as the #3 player on our team?!?!

[floyd]

Let's get Carter and then trade KG for Caron Bulter. I want as many players that play the same position and do the same things as possible.

[klemen4]

it would be an absolute nightmare for teams having to deal with two pierce's and a KG.

You got that right....more I think of Carter more I like the idea.

House could in a way take Allens role coming of the screens hitting 3pt with our second unit. It would be easy for Doc staying with Pierce/Carter on sf in 2 unit, House on sg and Rondo/Marbury? on pg. Our 2 unit "in a way would" be equally strong as our first unit now.

[TreyAllen34]

"You can't cry over spilled milk," Pierce said. "Unfortunately we didn't have the big fella for this run, so hopefully the main thing right now for him is to get healthy, keep the core together and bring him back next year and see what happens. Hopefully we can stay healthy for next year. See what happens.

"We believe that we are the best team in the NBA, still,"

[BRUNiNHO91]

So..it only took 1 day for one of these to pop up..who would have thought?

But even worse are the names..Stojakovic??RJ? Carter?? Wowzers...

[bballcool34]

While I do think Carter is a better player than Allen, his style of play (needing the ball in his hands, isoing) might be too similar to Pierce for them to coexist. But who knows? It seemed like the same thing this playoffs- whenever Allen had a good game, Pierce didn't and vice versa.

The funny thing would be seeing Netsforce cheering for the Celtics- I mean we'd potentially have two of his favorite players- Carter and Marbury (if we jkeep him)

[kakopedi1]

If we trade Ray Allen it better not be JUST for Carter Nets better throw in Boone or Yi as well

I'm open in trading Ray for the right price and that price has to include a solid vet(S-Jax, Carter) and a couple of young studs.

[jfs1000d]

While I do think Carter is a better player than Allen, his style of play (needing the ball in his hands, isoing) might be too similar to Pierce for them to coexist. But who knows? It seemed like the same thing this playoffs- whenever Allen had a good game, Pierce didn't and vice versa.

The funny thing would be seeing Netsforce cheering for the Celtics- I mean we'd potentially have two of his favorite players- Carter and Marbury (if we jkeep him)

How is VC better than ray? Maybe at one time earlier in their careers, but when you take the entire decade they have been in the league Ray Allen has been a better and more consistent player. Ray will end up in the HOF. Vince ain't getting there. It's the same thing as McGrady vs. Pierce. Pierce has been the better player for his career.

[TheSheriff]

Any one who thinks Allen is better than Carter needs to seriously reexamine his objectivity. Allen is more of a winner than Carter? People were calling KG, Pierce, and Allen loser before last year. Carter is only a loser due to the the lousy teammates he has had.

[floyd]

Any one who thinks Allen is better than Carter needs to seriously reexamine his objectivity. Allen is more of a winner than Carter? People were calling KG, Pierce, and Allen loser before last year. Carter is only a loser due to the the lousy teammates he has had.

Ray, Pierce, and KG never quit on their team. He'll always be a loser. Just ask a Raptors fan.

[jfs1000d]

Any one who thinks Allen is better than Carter needs to seriously reexamine his objectivity. Allen is more of a winner than Carter? People were calling KG, Pierce, and Allen loser before last year. Carter is only a loser due to the the lousy teammates he has had.

After his first four years in Toronto, when has VC been better than Allen? VC has been hurt and largely a volume shooter since years 3 or 4 in Toronto. The guy peaked in 2000-2002. Pierce, Allen and McGrady have been much better since then.

VC went downhill when the NBA got away from isolation basketball and started to create ball movement.


Looking at the stats, these guys are nearly identical. rya is a 20.9 ppg career scorer while VC is 23.5 The only difference is Ray played early in his career with Glenn Robinson and Vin Baker and dint' get enough shots.

Ray is a much better shooter and before Ray Allen came to Boston this was his ppg -- 24.5, 23, 23.9, 25.1, and 26.4. This guy was a scoring machine in his prime.

The last two years Ray Allen has scored less. It shows how great a player ray allen is that he adapted his game.

Ray Allen is a HOF player and one of the great shooters in the history of basketball. He doesn't have to take a back seat to anybody.

VC is empty buckets. He scores, but his team doesn't win. I won't even compare VC to PP. I would take Pierce any day of the week.

Considering their stats are somewhat similar, Ray Allen has had a better career and been a better player than VC.

[sully00]

Any one who thinks Allen is better than Carter needs to seriously reexamine his objectivity. Allen is more of a winner than Carter? People were calling KG, Pierce, and Allen loser before last year. Carter is only a loser due to the the lousy teammates he has had.

No Carter is a loser period, he had Richard Jefferson and Jason Kidd. The team he joined had just been to the finals twice, KMart out Carter in?

Ray Allen is better than Vince Carter because he has a heart, plays through pain and is willing to at least try and play defense and fit into a team concept.

Carter is about his stats and his offense and if that fit into winning so be it as long as it doesn't hurt too much. Give me a break the idea of the guy in a Celtic uniform makes me want to puke, and I just watched Marbury in a Celtic uniform.

There is almost no chance of Ray Allen getting traded, but to play along, if you are going to deal him you have to do it to get a young star and it would only make sense that the guy be a SG.

Kevin Martin to me is the guy but I don't think he gets moved, Richardson isn't a terrible idea but I don't like him, Ben Gordon would be worth talking about, Monta Ellis as well. But finding a guy who is going to knock down 200 's isn't going to be easy.

[Collinto]

I have to agree with Sully. No way to Carter (unless they are so desperate to get rid of him that they staple him to Lopez's back). Martin would be great but that seems unlikely as well. Although in a smaller market like Sac-Town, maybe lowering salary in this economic environment is a factor. Taking back Noccioni or Udric (sp?) or whatever bad salary they have I can't think of...

I still think that Gordon may be an interesting opportunity. IF the Bulls sign him, they end up not having the cap room needed to sign a big time FA in '10, say D. Wade or Amare. Gordon wants 10 million a year....so adding him to Deng or Hinrich gets it done. It would get Chicago a nice mentor for Rose and the money to bring in not one but two stars next summer. Could they do better? Talent-wise most likely...but if the idea is to clear salary and stay competitive next year, who knows.

[Golabki]

1) Ray is already our guy, so we aren't going to trade him unless it is for a hands-down upgrade. None of the players listed are hands-down upgrades over Ray.

2) Flip ray for another long-term star means no money to pay rondo, we need Ray's big pay cut in order to afford Rondo.

[klemen4]

So..it only took 1 day for one of these to pop up..who would have thought?

But even worse are the names..Stojakovic??RJ? Carter?? Wowzers...

This is not "a trade Allen threat" but a threat which gives out the only names in whole NBA for which it would be possible to trade Allen if it would come to that situation. I know it is not a good group of guys but they are the only possibilities.

Of course Allen is far the better shooter than this guys, on of the best in history of the game but I realized that it is a style of his play that can be shut down opposed to others. There are basically only Ray, Rip Hamilton, Kapono and House which now days play the role of prototypical sg coming of screens.

[Al-Haqq]

Michael Redd would be great, but he plays no defense.

Lol at Celtics fans who think considering trades for Ray Allen silly. He was awful. Awful! In what was our clearest advantage in terms of match-ups he horrifically failed to deliver.

I don't mind if we keep him, but at the same time I would not reject trading him because he was that bad and is possibly giving us a glimpse of what he can offer.

I would hate to see Ainge resign Ray for 12mill once his contract expires.

Carter is nice and is a better player than Ray but I just don't see how anyone would want Ray.

[campybatman]

I think if Ainge's seriously going to consider trading Ray by mid season next season. Then it has to be for another former UConn player like Richard Hamilton or a sign-and-trade for Gordon. I mean that jokingly, by the way. But, if I'd a choice, I would want Hamilton. I don't like Gordon's self-centered attitude and that he's undersized for the off guard position. Conversely, you lose little overall (besides Ray's clutch ability) by swapping in Hamilton in place of Ray. But, like Ray, he's getting older.