So, how do we get our big 3?

BMiller52 · Post #1 » by **BMiller52** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:50 pm

Well I guess for the last couple years, you can say most teams who won the title haven't really had a Jordanesque superstar, they've had a big 3. Look at Boston-Ray/Pierce/KG. Look at SA Parker/Manu/Duncan. The Lakers got good again once they got a big 3 Kobe/Odom/Gasol. PHX started to suck when they dumped Marion and their big 3 of Nash/Amare/Marion fell apart.

Teams who won without a big 3 were the 06 Heat, and the 04 Pistons.

So, I'm guessing we need to acquire our other 2 players. We have KMart, who can be the perimeter scorer/shooter kinda the way Ray Allen is for boston. We'll have a top 4 pick. Maybe 1 of Hawes/Thompson breaks out, but I think we're going to have to get a FA or trade for that 3rd guy. What do you all think?

Post #2 » by **KF10** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:52 pm

Yeah, I agree. I think that is what we are trying to accomplish IMO. We need significant core pieces. Our last legitimate core was Bibby/Peja/Miller and that didn't work out too well.

I still pulling for Joe Johnson. Even though, he was exposed in the playoffs but the talent is there regardless.

cdt3 · Post #3 » by **cdt3** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:32 pm

How is the Joe Johnson any better than Kevin Martin? Both of them only made the playoffs because they teamed up with Mike Bibby.

We need a PG who is comfortable carrying a big load and that will make us legit again.

Post #4 » by **KF10** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:35 pm

cdt3 wrote:How is the Joe Johnson any better than Kevin Martin? Both of them only made the playoffs because they teamed up with Mike Bibby.

We need a PG who is comfortable carrying a big load and that will make us legit again.

Joe Johnson is the better overall player than Martin in terms of playmaking and defense.

Website · Post #5 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:57 pm

I think Hawes and/or Thompson can be apart of a Big Three. More likely Spencer Hawes. Who knows maybe Rubio or Griffin will make up 1/3. I think our SF should be defensive minded, good rebounder and not necessarily regarded as big three quality.

Website · Post #6 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:59 pm

Although I think Thompson could develop into Allstar talent, I'm not opposed to trading a package based around him for Amare.

Rubio- Rondo role
Martin 1/3
Noc-Defense, physicality
Amare- 1/3
Hawes- 1/3

sacking101 · Post #7 » by **sacking101** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:11 pm

What we need more then anything is an offensive post presence (garnett, amare, pau). They all have one and we have not since Cwebb. We can't be successful relying on an outside game. Maybe Griffin can be that guy, who knows maybe thompson can be. Hawes has the post moves but loves the outside shot. If we get griffin I think he and kmart are 2 legit guys to be a "big 3". That third guy has to come in a trade. Preferably a 3 that can shoot and post smaller guys like a rashard lewis. Maybe Rudy Gay? Those three are not an immediate big 3 but can develop into it. Spencer, thompson, garcia, maybe flynne or holiday would be good role playing players to put around a big three.

JSrose115 · Post #8 » by **JSrose115** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:49 pm

pray for a miracle

darkadun · Post #9 » by **darkadun** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:16 pm

Nicky Nix Nook wrote:Although I think Thompson could develop into Allstar talent, I'm not opposed to trading a package based around him for Amare.

Rubio- Rondo role
Martin 1/3
Noc-Defense, physicality
Amare- 1/3
Hawes- 1/3

I'd be down for this team honestly. Lot of potential, and Amare is on the block, its possible if we offered a package of Thompson/Greene and #23, Kerr takes it...maybe..but no way should we do it if Amare doesn't sign a extension.

murray · Post #10 » by **murray** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:22 pm

darkadun wrote:
Nicky Nix Nook wrote:Although I think Thompson could develop into Allstar talent, I'm not opposed to trading a package based around him for Amare.

Rubio- Rondo role
Martin 1/3
Noc-Defense, physicality
Amare- 1/3
Hawes- 1/3

I'd be down for this team honestly. Lot of potential, and Amare is on the block, its possible if we offered a package of Thompson/Greene and #23, Kerr takes it...maybe..but no way should we do it if Amare doesn't sign a extension.

exactly what i was thinking. Extension is a must.

BMiller52 · Post #11 » by **BMiller52** » Tue May 19, 2009 3:15 am

sacking101 wrote:What we need more then anything is an offensive post presence (garnett, amare, pau). They all have one and we have not since Cwebb. We can't be successful relying on an outside game. Maybe Griffin can be that guy, who knows maybe thompson can be. Hawes has the post moves but loves the outside shot. If we get griffin I think he and kmart are 2 legit guys to be a "big 3". That third guy has to come in a trade. Preferably a 3 that can shoot and post smaller guys like a rashard lewis. Maybe Rudy Gay? Those three are not an immediate big 3 but can develop into it. Spencer, thompson, garcia, maybe flynne or holiday would be good role playing players to put around a big three.

Yeah I am thinking if we can get Griffin or even Rubio, they can be part of that big 3 and both compliment Kev. But I really think Blake and Kevin would be awesome, since winning teams always have a post presence and a perimeter guy. Rudy Gay would be a good player to get, but if we don't get a starter calibre PG like Rubio(which we probably shouldn't if we get the #1 pick, we should take Griffin) then IMO that has to be the position we trade for.

If we get Blake I like JT as the 5 more than Spencer just because he's more of a scrapper IMO and with Griffin at the 4 it'd be nice to have a scrappy C. But at the same time, I wouldn't hesitate to trade JT and Greene or something like that for Amare and put him next to Blake, or if we can get Rubio at PG. I dunno if PHX would want JT or Spencer though. But can you imagine a big 3 of Rubio/Martin/Amare? Because I sure can.

Post #12 » by **ICMTM** » Tue May 19, 2009 3:44 am

1. We win the Lottery = Griffin

2. Hope someone doesn't like their draft position and trades to us Rubio for a player on our team and 23

3. Sign a SF that can shoot the heck out of the three and play great defense

4. Hope Hawes becomes the third piece.

Website · Post #13 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Tue May 19, 2009 3:58 am

ICMTM wrote:3. Sign a SF that can shoot the heck out of the three and play great defense

Ooo we should try and make a move for Andres Nocioni. He seems to fit that bill perfectly. Wait...

Post #14 » by **pillwenney** » Tue May 19, 2009 4:15 am

Nocioni does not play great defense. He plays aggressive defense--big difference.

And assuming we get #1 (kind of silly to do at this point, since we just have to wait like 20 more hours to find out) the only way we get Rubio is with either the #1 pick (obviously other pieces would be added), or with Kevin (I don't see us doing that).

Website · Post #15 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Tue May 19, 2009 4:34 am

Ya but I don't see anybody that fits that description AND is obtainable. Battier and Artest come to mind, but we all know that's unlikely.

Post #16 » by **KF10** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:30 am

Tay is available (Prince from the Pistons). If we really wanted a lock down SF that can hit a jumper, pass, rebound, and overall gameplay.

Website · Post #17 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:39 am

kingsfan10 wrote:Tay is available (Prince from the Pistons). If we really wanted a lock down SF that can hit a jumper, pass, rebound, and overall gameplay.

Don't know that we have the assets.

Noc, 23? (assuming we get Rubio)

BMiller52 · Post #18 » by **BMiller52** » Tue May 19, 2009 6:14 am

kingsfan10 wrote:Tay is available (Prince from the Pistons). If we really wanted a lock down SF that can hit a jumper, pass, rebound, and overall gameplay.

I don't really know if he qualifies. I think we need that 3rd guy for our big 3 to be a SF, assuming one of the players we pick(Griffin at 1, Rubio at 2, Jennings/Evans at 3 or 4) is a PG or PF. I don't think Tay brings the scoring we're looking for.

SacKingZZZ · Post #19 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Tue May 19, 2009 7:17 am

I think we'll have a "big 5".

BMiller52 · Post #20 » by **BMiller52** » Tue May 19, 2009 7:49 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:I think we'll have a "big 5".

ALA the 04 Pistons? I dunno, you can win that way, but I'd rather see if we can assemble a big 3. Don't get me wrong, that Pistons team was sick. They had their perimeter defender in Tay, their scorer in Rip, their clutch 3 point shooter in Chauncey, their post defender in Sheed, and their rebounder/shotblocker in Ben. I guess Kev could fill the role of Rip, and JT could play the role of Sheed, but I dunno if that's gonna work for us. We'd need a tremendous defensive coach for one. The guys available and the guys we're looking at are mostly offensive guys-EJ and Westphal.