Ty Willingham

[Scoot McGroot]

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What a silly little thread guy! Washington is now 2-0 while Notre Dame is 0-2. Notre Dame failed to score an offensive touchdown for the second straight game, and was held to zero yards rushing. LOL Weis is now the worst Coach in college football from that stat alone! I'm glad Notre Dame isn't getting any luck because they treated Willingham unfairly for a coach thats even worse! We all know why/how it went down! Karmas a bitch!

Yeah, we know why it went down. The team got worse every year Ty was here, and everyone knew that the year he won 9 games, he was lucky to win 4 of them. If it wasn't for defensive and special team touchdowns, that team would've lost at least 10 games.

Seriously, we don't need to talk about Ty vs. Charlie, because it's still no doubt. ND has to play how many underclassmen on the offensive line right now? And why is that? Oh, Ty recruited about 4 offensive linemen in 3 years. That really should set us up for the future. Oh, and we have how many seniors? 6? Wow, that's interesting. And how many of them are actually good enough to play? Lambert, Ferrine, Crum, Vernaglia, and possibly Jabbie? That's it?


Seriously, Ty Willingham brought this program down on the field. He was fine off the field, and truly cares about his kids. However, he was just in over his head at ND.


Weis took Willingham's players and coached them to play at immensely higher levels than they ever did under Willingham. There's no debate at all as to who the better coach is.

[Monkeyfeng06]

well, so far ty is doing a great job in washington. i don't need two ND fans coming here and rip on ty.

[El Turco]

there s a long way to go until you can call it "great"

[Monkeyfeng06]

by the recent huskies standards, he's doing a fantastic job.

[Scoot McGroot]

well, so far ty is doing a great job in washington. i don't need two ND fans coming here and rip on ty.

Oh, that's fine. We also don't need anyone coming to ND fans and saying that "Obviously, since Ty is 2-0 here, and Charlie is 0-2 there, you guys are racist for firing Ty and giving Charlie a contract extension."

Ty would be 0-2 at ND right now. Charlie would probably be 2-0 at Washington right now. Washington is a much better situation for Ty due to the lowered expectations, whereas Charlie actually seems like he can thrive on expectations.


Long story short, no matter what Ty does this year or in the future, it doesn't at all speak to what he could've or would've done at ND, because he simply didn't do it at ND.

[Monkeyfeng06]

"Obviously, since Ty is 2-0 here, and Charlie is 0-2 there, you guys are racist for firing Ty and giving Charlie a contract extension."

just shut it. i never said anything about race and i never criticized about charlie wiess.

[TheOUTLAW]

I do actually think that Willingham is a better coach than Weiss. ND is just embarrassing right now.

[Monkeyfeng06]

this season, willingham is the better coach.

[El Turco]

this season, willingham is the better coach.

That has lot to do with ND s lack of recruiting which can be traced back to willingham era. Willingham is a good coach but Weis>Willingham.

[Monkeyfeng06]

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That has lot to do with ND s lack of recruiting which can be traced back to willingham era. Willingham is a good coach but Weis>Willingham.

wooo! blame it on willingham. whatever. he's on the huskies now. in fact, he did a nice job crippling the irish if that's what you believe. :thumsup:

[jim rockford]

i don't know.....

washington has gone up since ty came (huskies had expired long before ty) .... notre dame and especially stanford have gone way downhill since he left........... did an amazing job at stanford and i think recruiting had alot to do with it.

where's the intense heat on charlie weis anyway???.... and yes, there's an obvious difference (although bob davie took huge heat too)

[Scoot McGroot]

i don't know.....

washington has gone up since ty came (huskies had expired long before ty) .... notre dame and especially stanford have gone way downhill since he left........... did an amazing job at stanford and i think recruiting had alot to do with it.

where's the intense heat on charlie weis anyway???.... and yes, there's an obvious difference (although bob davie took huge heat too)

Actually, this current situation is one of the reasons why a lot of coaches turned down ND after Willingham was fired. They looked at the roster and saw that once Quinn and Walker left, this team was bereft of any players. Something like 7 players had already left the current senior class by the time Willingham was fired, leaving ND with only 10 warm bodies in a single class. ND doesn't accept JUCO transfers, so a lot of coaches saw it as a situation set up to fail.


Say whatever you want. Willingham couldn't win with his own players, and somehow found a way to turn a pretty good QB (Quinn) into a completely average player. Weis un-did it.


Now, don't get me wrong. Weis is getting heat right now. However, this situation was seen 3 years ago, and expected. However, the past 2 seasons was not expected, especially under Ty Willingham. Does it mean anything to say that Weis could go 2-6 in his next 8 games and still have a record that is equal to what Willingham did at ND. This is counting the 3 losses we've had already.


Let's just say that Weis has experienced success at ND, and is now facing the growing pains that he was able to delay when he took over a team that was facing serious issues. He delayed those for 3 years. Now he's facing them. Ty Willingham is a great guy, who is a decent coach. My biggest qualms with him was that he definitely appeared to be a coach who had never, ever been a coordinator, or had any coaching leadership to learn from before he was named head coach. Without 3 or 4 extremely lucky bounces on defense and special teams, he was a below .500 coach at ND. He was a coach that put out great people, but not necessarily the best players. He's doing well right now at Washington, and is having success with what appears to be a quality young QB. Let's hope it continues.




Oh, and Monkeyfeng, about that quote you picked out. That wasn't at all directed at you. It was more a general statement about the media and posters in general (most notably Pat Forde, Jason Whitlock, ESPN announcers, Craig James, Doug Flutie, etc.), not you.

[jim rockford]

scoot, good comments.... but won't be any excuses for charlie in about 18 months time....

[timd1218]

Charlie Weis will not be getting fired after the season. The team can go winless. It doesn't matter. Weis is a great recruiter and is getting the top players. Notre Dame will be back at the top of college football in 2 years.

[Monkeyfeng06]

0-5 now. i find it ironic that notre dame fan is bitching about ty willingham when they have their own problem.