Enough everyone...

jeffjtk1234 · Post #1 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:21 pm

Lets stop feeling sorry for ourselves and try to come up with some viable solutions to our problems. So we got the fourth pick, the world isnt over. I think the best thing we can do is just discuss solutions.

The fourth pick could be solid...i honestly think we will trade down and pick holliday. Or, we can TRY to package the 4th, 23rd, and 31st for the 2nd and some garbage.

RoyalCourtJestr · Post #2 » by **RoyalCourtJestr** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:26 pm

I agree. We have no reason to be bitching about curcumstances when last year we were BEGGING to steal that 1st overall pick from the Heat. We take what we can and get the best out of it.

The fourth pick is solid. Anyone saying this draft thisn't deep is right - but it has plenty of talent at the 4th spot. People are quick to point out examples like Grodon, Westbrook, ect. from the previous drafts as "Why couldn't we have gotten them?" or "Why couldn't the draft have them?"... well, for both Westbrook and Gordon, both of them highly exceeded most expectations. We must hope for the same.

Saying our luck sucks isn't going to help anything - and who knows. Maybe Jennings/Evans/Holiday/whoever we take (I'm assuming PG. I don't want nor think we need to Thabeet over our need) will end up like Westbrook this year. Exceeding expectations.

jeffjtk1234 · Post #3 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:30 pm

I saw this on another board...wanted to get everyones opinion...

11th, Yi, Filler for JT and Noc.

I dont know how I feel...might be ok depending on whos there at 11. Plus Yi is marketable.

Post #4 » by **KF10** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:32 pm

We are not breaking the bank for Yi. You should read this thread. This was on the issue on Yi:

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=905705

KM44 · Post #5 » by **KM44** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:34 pm

I really don't think Yi is the guy for us. He's too weak on the boards to match next to a finess center in hawes. Good value wise, no fit wise.

Website · Post #6 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:35 pm

Yi is a joke. Hell be back playing in China in 3 years.

jeffjtk1234 · Post #7 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:36 pm

thats fine...im just putting this thread up for people who dont want to cry and want to start talking business...

If Yi isnt a fit he isnt...just putting it out there.

jeffjtk1234 · Post #8 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:38 pm

I 100% think we should pick Harden 4th if he is there...

The spurs have Manu come off the bench...I love that role for harden. But thats just me. Otherwise we trade the 4th, get some cap relief, sign sessions.

deNIEd · Post #9 » by **deNIEd** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:39 pm

I'm not feeling sorry or bitching, but I simply know that the world is against us.

With this pick, I hope Petrie's mindset, as well as ours, is to go big or go home.

I would for sure not limit ourselves to drafting a PG simply to fill a need, or even the players projected to go in that range (Jennings, Harden, DeRozan) but instead simply look for a player that has that small sliver of hope of becoming great.

The "safe" bets at the 4 range, simply won't do much for this franchise. A "safe" player picked outside of the lotto IMO will have roughly the same impact when it's all said and done.

I would like to see Petrie just simply reach and pick the player he feels has a shot at becoming the best. Now, this pick could easily become a massive bust, and I think we have to prepare for that mentally and not blame Petrie for it, but with the way things fell, it's go big or go home.

Post #10 » by **KF10** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:39 pm

Like I said in other threads, we should look for options with the #4. We could always draft a solid player at that slot i.e. Harden, Jennings. Or we can always package it for either a disgruntled star i.e. Amare, dump a bad contract i.e. Beno, Noc or trade for a proven talent. It isn't the end of the world.

Post #11 » by **KF10** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:41 pm

deNIEd wrote:I'm not feeling sorry or bitching, but I simply know that the world is against us.

With this pick, I hope Petrie's mindset, as well as ours, is to go big or go home.

I would for sure not limit ourselves to drafting a PG simply to fill a need, or even the players projected to go in that range (Jennings, Harden, DeRozan) but instead simply look for a player that has that small sliver of hope of becoming great.

The "safe" bets at the 4 range, simply won't do much for this franchise. A "safe" player picked outside of the lotto IMO will have roughly the same impact when it's all said and done.

I would like to see Petrie just simply reach and pick the player he feels has a shot at becoming the best. Now, this pick could easily become a massive bust, and I think we have to prepare for that mentally and not blame Petrie for it, but with the way things fell, it's go big or go home.

What player do you have in mind? I think that is a dangerous and gutsy move from Petrie if he did that. It is a high risk and high reward type of move.

jeffjtk1234 · Post #12 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:42 pm

I agree kingsfan...id like to get Amare...but would he re-sign here? Thats a big question. I would love to get Amare and PG at 23..

Then you have

#23, Beno
Martin
?
Amare/JT
Hawes

Not a bad start i suppose.

deNIEd · Post #13 » by **deNIEd** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:42 pm

kingsfan10 wrote:Like I said in other threads, we should look for options with the #4. We could always draft a solid player at that slot i.e. Harden, Jennings. Or we can always package it for either a disgruntled star i.e. Amare, dump a bad contract i.e. Beno, Noc or trade for a proven talent. It isn't the end of the world.

first off, can we please stop thinking about trading the pick?

If we wanted to move down, say to #6 or #7, chances are it'd be a straight up package. This draft simply doesn't have any GM interested in trading anything significant for a pick. If Washington is truly desperate about trading their pick then they will set the market price....which seems to simply be cap relief. No one is going to trade multiple picks for the #4, no one is going to trade a superstar for that pick.

IMO #4 this year = #12-14 last year.

Think back a year ago.
If a team offered us #12 for #16 & #26 what would you say?
If a team offered us #11 + expiring for Kevin Martin what would you say?
If a team offered us TPE for #12, Kenny what would you say?

jeffjtk1234 · Post #14 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:43 pm

of course JT would be included in an Amare deal im sure

10B10 · Post #15 » by **10B10** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:43 pm

deNIEd wrote:I'm not feeling sorry or bitching, but I simply know that the world is against us.

With this pick, I hope Petrie's mindset, as well as ours, is to go big or go home.

I would for sure not limit ourselves to drafting a PG simply to fill a need, or even the players projected to go in that range (Jennings, Harden, DeRozan) but instead simply look for a player that has that small sliver of hope of becoming great.

The "safe" bets at the 4 range, simply won't do much for this franchise. A "safe" player picked outside of the lotto IMO will have roughly the same impact when it's all said and done.

I would like to see Petrie just simply reach and pick the player he feels has a shot at becoming the best. Now, this pick could easily become a massive bust, and I think we have to prepare for that mentally and not blame Petrie for it, but with the way things fell, it's go big or go home.

I think he will and he MUST. I am excited to see who that player is.

cdt3 · Post #16 » by **cdt3** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:43 pm

I even read Bill Simmons today and he thought that Curry should go as high as 5 and that he was one of the few of this draft to be dependable star. He would be a perfect fit. If we take Holiday he is going to take years to develop since he didn't even play PG last year. He has a good enough shot to take pressure off Kmart so he doesn't have to carry the load himself. The Martin/Curry combo has a as much firepower as the Peja/Bibby combo to open the post game for JT/Hawes.

cdt3 · Post #17 » by **cdt3** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:44 pm

I even read Bill Simmons today and he thought that Curry should go as high as 5 and that he was one of the few of this draft to be dependable star. He would be a perfect fit. If we take Holiday he is going to take years to develop since he didn't even play PG last year. He has a good enough shot to take pressure off Kmart so he doesn't have to carry the load himself. The Martin/Curry combo has a as much firepower as the Peja/Bibby combo to open the post game for JT/Hawes.

jeffjtk1234 · Post #18 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:44 pm

10B10 wrote:
deNIEd wrote:I'm not feeling sorry or bitching, but I simply know that the world is against us.

With this pick, I hope Petrie's mindset, as well as ours, is to go big or go home.

I would for sure not limit ourselves to drafting a PG simply to fill a need, or even the players projected to go in that range (Jennings, Harden, DeRozan) but instead simply look for a player that has that small sliver of hope of becoming great.

The "safe" bets at the 4 range, simply won't do much for this franchise. A "safe" player picked outside of the lotto IMO will have roughly the same impact when it's all said and done.

I would like to see Petrie just simply reach and pick the player he feels has a shot at becoming the best. Now, this pick could easily become a massive bust, and I think we have to prepare for that mentally and not blame Petrie for it, but with the way things fell, it's go big or go home.

I think he will and he MUST. I am excited to see who that player is.

Jrue Holliday...book it

10B10 · Post #19 » by **10B10** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:46 pm

Agreed and I like Holiday. Excellent defender, good decision making PG with a ton of potential.

deNIEd · Post #20 » by **deNIEd** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:46 pm

kingsfan10 wrote:
deNIEd wrote:I'm not feeling sorry or bitching, but I simply know that the world is against us.

With this pick, I hope Petrie's mindset, as well as ours, is to go big or go home.

I would for sure not limit ourselves to drafting a PG simply to fill a need, or even the players projected to go in that range (Jennings, Harden, DeRozan) but instead simply look for a player that has that small sliver of hope of becoming great.

The "safe" bets at the 4 range, simply won't do much for this franchise. A "safe" player picked outside of the lotto IMO will have roughly the same impact when it's all said and done.

I would like to see Petrie just simply reach and pick the player he feels has a shot at becoming the best. Now, this pick could easily become a massive bust, and I think we have to prepare for that mentally and not blame Petrie for it, but with the way things fell, it's go big or go home.

What player do you have in mind? I think that is a dangerous and gutsy move from Petrie if he did that. It is a high risk and high reward type of move.

How the f am I supposed to know? lol. I had no idea who the f Thompson was until I wiki'd him 10 minutes after I cussed out my lungs for Sacramento being (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

Again, in order for Petrie to make such a move, he'd need protection from the Maloofs. (This is where I would like to see Maloofs step in, similarly I would have liked to have seen Maloofs step in with our previous coaches and tell them they won't be judged for this year or what not).