What price Gortat?

vwoodruff · Post #1 » by **vwoodruff** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:51 pm

I've been sitting here running through potential offseason scenarios for the Cs to address their obvious need of strengthening the bench, specifically at the 1, 3, and 5.

I was looking at teams strapped financially, and it became pretty clear that Orlando is going to have a tough time resigning Gortat. He would fill an obvious need for the Cs (as well as a number of other teams in the league). What do you think his price will be? MLE? Would it be worth it for the Cs?

Here's the commitments for next year:

Kevin Garnett $16,400,000
Paul Pierce $19,795,712
Ray Allen $18,776,860
Kendrick Perkins $4,250,000
Brian Scalabrine $3,206,897
Rajon Rondo $2,623,326
Eddie House $2,862,000
Tony Allen $2,500,000
Bill Walker $736,420
JR Giddens $1,028,880
Gabe Pruitt $729,005
TOTAL $72,909,100

The C's are right at the luxury tax threshhold before dealing with Big Baby, Powe, Marbury, etc.

Of course, Ray, Scal, Tony, and Eddie are all off the books after next year.

Havlicek17 · Post #2 » by **Havlicek17** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:19 pm

It seems like a long shot because Gortat is a RFA, but Orlando is over the cap and if they have to pay decent dollars to keep their FA Turkoglu then they may pass on a reasonable number for Gortat.

I'd try it, but full MLE is way too much. I'd do $3M to $4M a year.

Chris Anderson is a FA and another option with similar dollars.

vwoodruff · Post #3 » by **vwoodruff** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:21 pm

The reason I think it's a possibility is because of Orlando's cash issues. Apparently, they've been losing money and were one of the teams to bite on the NBA loan program... I'd rather have Gortat than BBD at similar cost.

Who-rod · Post #4 » by **Who-rod** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:49 pm

vwoodruff wrote:The reason I think it's a possibility is because of Orlando's cash issues. Apparently, they've been losing money and were one of the teams to bite on the NBA loan program... I'd rather have Gortat than BBD at similar cost.

Funny, because I get the feeling Orlando would rather have Baby than Gortat. Battie is an adequate backup for Howard, and Baby would fit perfect offensively alongside Howard. He'd help with rebounding, and if he kept improving his jumper, would be a perfect compliment to Howard, especially if they decide Turk's demands are too rich for their blood.

celticfan42487 · Post #5 » by **celticfan42487** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:53 pm

I don't see Baby helping with their rebounding.

Magic should dump Turkyglue now that they have the cheap Courtney Lee to replace him and then just sign Gorat to the full MLE that someone will throw at him. They still save a million or two that way.

chakdaddy · Post #6 » by **chakdaddy** » Fri May 22, 2009 6:44 pm

Full MLE all day long, he looks good to me...Orlando will match at any price.

I saw some article about BBD that said teams can offer MLE with raises but then have a big jump in the 3rd year of the contract - how can that work? I thought only certain raises were allowed, otherwise how would you know whether a team has cap room for the big raise, what keeps teams from signing everyone to MLE deals with big raises to circumvent the cap?

Post #7 » by **sunshinekids99** » Fri May 22, 2009 9:18 pm

I do how Gortat looked, but I'm not sure I'm dishing out that much money for him. I'd like to see what Zaza would cost the C's this year.

Post #8 » by **I love heinsohn** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:20 am

chakdaddy wrote:Full MLE all day long, he looks good to me...Orlando will match at any price.

I saw some article about BBD that said teams can offer MLE with raises but then have a big jump in the 3rd year of the contract - how can that work? I thought only certain raises were allowed, otherwise how would you know whether a team has cap room for the big raise, what keeps teams from signing everyone to MLE deals with big raises to circumvent the cap?

This is the new Gilbert Arenas rule. Washington was able to offer him more than GS could match because he only had two years in the league (like Baby). So now, teams can offer long-term deals that start at the MLE but shoot up in value in the third year, BUT the original team can match the offer. So a team under the cap could offer Baby something like $5 million, $5.5 million, $10 million, $11 million, and $12 million over a 5 year deal. Won't happen in this case, but that is how the new rule works...

chakdaddy · Post #9 » by **chakdaddy** » Sat May 23, 2009 2:49 pm

I love heinsohn wrote: So now, teams can offer long-term deals that start at the MLE but shoot up in value in the third year, BUT the original team can match the offer. So a team under the cap could offer Baby something like $5 million, $5.5 million, $10 million, $11 million, and $12 million over a 5 year deal. Won't happen in this case, but that is how the new rule works...

Ok, here's my question about this - how far under the cap do they have to be to offer this kind of contract? 10 million under? Even though that's not the salary until the third year? Maybe 10 million prorated backwards, minus 2 years of the allowed raises, so 8 million under or something?

chakdaddy · Post #10 » by **chakdaddy** » Sat May 23, 2009 2:56 pm

chakdaddy wrote:
I love heinsohn wrote: So now, teams can offer long-term deals that start at the MLE but shoot up in value in the third year, BUT the original team can match the offer. So a team under the cap could offer Baby something like $5 million, $5.5 million, $10 million, $11 million, and $12 million over a 5 year deal. Won't happen in this case, but that is how the new rule works...

Ok, here's my question about this - how far under the cap do they have to be to offer this kind of contract? 10 million under? Even though that's not the salary until the third year? Maybe 10 million prorated backwards, minus 2 years of the allowed raises, so 8 million under or something?

I see, it kind of is pro-rated - they take the average salary of the contract over its life, that is the amount of cap space required. It's spelled out in the cap faq

But it also sounds like the early bird exception isn't good enough to match this offer- you have to eat into the MLE to do it as well?

edit - no I think I misread it. For the original team, the cap number they have to fit is only the 1st year salary, for the offering team, it is the avg salary for the life of the contract. So, the early bird is good enough for matching it. I saw all the situations where the MLE would be needed, but those are for guys without early bird rights.

3pt % · Post #11 » by **3pt %** » Sun May 24, 2009 4:31 am

If there was any way we could get Gortat, I'd love the Celtics to get him.

2 Reasons.

First, he is a great back up center who would be pushing to start on a lot of teams in this league.

Secondly, how can you not want to be able to yell out "Gortat will CRUSH you" when he dunks on someone? Serious fun.

Joana · Post #12 » by **Joana** » Sun May 24, 2009 4:52 pm

Gortat should be looking for a starting spot. If he wants to stay as a backup, he will stay in Orlando.

magicfanatic23 · Post #13 » by **magicfanatic23** » Sun May 24, 2009 4:57 pm

Gortat will not go to the dark side..I hope lol

Red2 · Post #14 » by **Red2** » Tue May 26, 2009 8:59 pm

him or Pachulia would be nice pickups. Hey , why not Chris Bosh while we're dreaming? we need someone who can guard guys like Lewis, Turkolu and Le Bron. Is there anyone like that out there? we also need more shooting and it would help if whoever that is can take someone off the dribble as well. I wouldn't be shocked to see Danny draft a guard or a wing man if there isn't a big man he likes.