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Bill Simmons suggest we trade for Tony Parker

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Re: Bill Simmons suggest we trade for Tony Parker 

Post#21 » by GopherIt! » Sat May 23, 2009 11:52 am

What a tool...comments like this are why I can't stand this guy.

The Wolves had winning seasons in eight of the past ten years with KG. Prior to KG's arrival, the Celtics had three winning seasons over the same span. Boston has been great the past two years but guess what? KG and Ray Allen each have about 140,000 miles on the odometer plus KG is still sitting in the repair shop. He should be more worried about his Celtics. Boston's street racing days are numbered.

If I ever find out where he lives in So Cal I'm egging his house with blue, green & black colored eggs and placing a Bill Buckner scarecrow in his front lawn.
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Re: Bill Simmons suggest we trade for Tony Parker 

Post#22 » by Tirion » Sun May 24, 2009 2:49 am

john2jer wrote:Now the more that I think about this article from Simmons, the more annoyed I get. He shows right here how unqualified and out of touch he is to be a GM.


funkatron101 wrote:That doesn't get Parker. That would get laughed at on the trade board.


lol, you know what else would get laughed at on the trade board? every real trade that happened in the history of the NBA.

j2j, you should've quoted the whole answer too:

OK, you're San Antonio. Your Duncan window is closing and so is your chance to contend. You're in NBA no-man's land, a little like Utah from 1999-2002: 45-50 wins guaranteed, no real chance of contending, no way of getting better because they spent too many years picking at the bottom of the first round. So what do you do? You can't trade Duncan; he's an icon and has to finish his career in San Antonio. You can't get fair value for Ginobili because of his injuries and because he's an expiring contract. Your best trade chip is Parker, a good character guy coming off a career year. He's also your most replaceable guy: a gifted scorer who can't shoot 3-pointers, isn't a traditional point guard and struggles to defend certain points. You only need to replace him with someone who can provide 80 percent of his numbers and you'll be OK. You also need to turn him into multiple pieces.

Now, you're Minnesota. You have three keepers: Al Jefferson, Kevin Love and Randy Foye. (Note: I still like Corey Brewer but let's see how he recovers from his ACL injury.) You are a joke of a franchise with an owner who has one of the poorest reputations in the league and a fan base that doesn't care, namely because you hire failed GMs and coaches, recycle them, then expect the fans to care. Jefferson could be the best guy on a contender, Love could be the third-best guy and Foye could be a starter or a sixth man. But you're not winning anything if that's your top three. Too young, not quite talented enough. You need to acquire an experienced blue-chipper who can show everyone else the way (shades of Ray Allen and KG in Boston). And you have no chance of landing a marquee free agent because NBA players want no part of Sota when they can play for a well-run franchise in a warm city. Thanks anyway.

So what do you do? You have to bowl someone over with a big-time offer. That's why you call San Antonio and say, "We'll give you Foye, our No. 6 pick and Brian Cardinal's 2010 expiring contract for Parker." Note: The deal can't work until July 1.

OK, you're San Antonio again. Foye is a scoring point guard like Parker (his January/February splits: 27 games, 19.3 PPG, 40 percent 3FG), he's four years younger, he's a quality 3-point shooter, he's on the books for cheap ($8.3 million combined in '09-10 and '10-11), and between Foye and George Hill, you have a shot of replacing nearly all of Parker's numbers. Plus, you're adding the sixth pick and some much-needed young blood (maybe swingman James Harden, power forward Jordan Hill or shooter Stephen Curry); you'd have $27 million of expiring deals (Cardinal, Bruce Bowen, Fabby Oberto, Kurt Thomas, Matt Bonner and Roger Mason) for a possible mega-trade during the season; and you're selling high on Parker, who will never have more value than he does right now. You're telling me that trade doesn't make sense?


here I even bolded the important parts. personally I think he overrates Foye a bit, but his other points make a ton on sense. everybody was on parker's nuts this season and although he did played great, he's still the least important member of SA Big Three. TD is more vital to the team for obvious reasons and Manu (when healthy) is one of the greatest playoffs performers the league had ever seen. and what's more important you can't get even close to fair value for Ginobili right now. but that's what average (stupid) fan does, he sees that Manu was injured this year, he panics and trades him for 10 cents on the dollar. good GMs doesn't do that, you want to sell high and buy low, not hte other way around.
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Re: Bill Simmons suggest we trade for Tony Parker 

Post#23 » by Esohny » Sun May 24, 2009 5:49 am

If the Spurs front office is as smart as you suggest (and they are), they wouldn't trade Parker for close to that package, not if they're selling high.
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Re: Bill Simmons suggest we trade for Tony Parker 

Post#24 » by Tirion » Sun May 24, 2009 6:26 am

what a young player with talent, a high draft pick and a large expiring won't cut it anymore?
parker is an all-star, but he isn't a franchise type player.
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Re: Bill Simmons suggest we trade for Tony Parker 

Post#25 » by Worm Guts » Sun May 24, 2009 7:52 am

Simmons is way off on the age difference between Foye and Parker. Foye is less than 2 years younger than Parker.
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Re: Bill Simmons suggest we trade for Tony Parker 

Post#26 » by mnWI » Sun May 24, 2009 7:58 am

Tirion wrote:what a young player with talent, a high draft pick and a large expiring won't cut it anymore?
parker is an all-star, but he isn't a franchise type player.

A young, worse player and a high draft pick won't be winning Tim Duncan another title any time soon. The who premise of this is ridiculous.
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Re: Bill Simmons suggest we trade for Tony Parker 

Post#27 » by john2jer » Sun May 24, 2009 4:04 pm

Tirion, I think you confused me with Mayoistooslow.

Having said that, there's no chance the Spurs make that trade. Parker is their hope for staying competitive, you don't trade your young star. Manu is the guy they need to move, if anyone.
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