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What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick?

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What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick?

Poll ended at Mon May 25, 2009 2:07 am

A. Trade the pick
49
46%
B. Draft Best Player Available (No preference)
5
5%
C. Draft Evans
11
10%
D. Draft Harden
17
16%
E. Draft Curry
7
7%
F. Draft DEJUAN BLAIR (CCJ's Advice)
3
3%
G. Draft Hill
8
8%
H. Draft ___________ (Your preference)
6
6%
 
Total votes: 106

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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#641 » by closg00 » Thu May 28, 2009 6:19 pm

Ok, the positive mojo didn't help in getting us Griffin or Rubio, but maybe the negative mojo will work so-that we don't end-up with Hill. Stat-watchers may enjoy this read on Hill.
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This is post 2 of my NBA Draft Watch series, in which I evaluate the top prospects (as determined by Draftexpress.com) by breaking them down statistically, and by focusing on their performances against the best competition each player faced. I am specifically concerned about their ability to produce statistics that win ball games, and to prevent their counterpart opponent's from doing the same. Thus, my primary measuring stick for each player is their "Marginal Win Score", meaning their Win Score production versus the Win Score production of the player they are guarding.

Today's prospect is the number 3 rated overall, PF Jordan Hill of Arizona. He looks like a bust.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#642 » by WizarDynasty » Thu May 28, 2009 6:27 pm

closg00 wrote:Ok, the positive mojo didn't help in getting us Griffin or Rubio, but maybe the negative mojo will work so-that we don't end-up with Hill. Stat-watchers may enjoy this read on Hill.
http://mvn.com/bucksdiary/2009/04/draft ... izona.html
Jordan Hill: Likely to Disappoint

This is post 2 of my NBA Draft Watch series, in which I evaluate the top prospects (as determined by Draftexpress.com) by breaking them down statistically, and by focusing on their performances against the best competition each player faced. I am specifically concerned about their ability to produce statistics that win ball games, and to prevent their counterpart opponent's from doing the same. Thus, my primary measuring stick for each player is their "Marginal Win Score", meaning their Win Score production versus the Win Score production of the player they are guarding.

Today's prospect is the number 3 rated overall, PF Jordan Hill of Arizona. He looks like a bust.


I don't know...he is way a way quicker leaper when attacking the basket off the dribble than mcgee or blatche are. He is better rebounder than both mcgee and blatche and jamison. he has got way way better lateral agility at guarding on the perimeter than MCGEE and Jamison and He is a better rebounder than Blatche. Blatche i think has a better jay and is way way stronger in the post than Hill but Hill can do everything better than Jamison can except shoot the three point shot..and Hill is physical...none of our bigman like to bang inside. He is way tougher than anyone on our front line except haywood. He would earn the term tough juice and gives us a physical presence at the p/f slot.....he has heart and strong motor. that's alot of intangibles to have in one player...and he doesn't have a prima donna ego.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#643 » by pancakes3 » Thu May 28, 2009 6:41 pm

I'm with you nate, in that i think upgrading Jamison is more pressing than upgrading the 2-guard position.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... shs_agent/

We'll probably find out monday if Bosh is on the market or not. The #5 PIck + Jamison + spare parts though probably isn't enticing enough of a package to get him. It's true that we can't afford the top tier guards like Joe Johnson, Vince Carter, or even Rip Hamilton, but I think if we could turn the #5 + songaila into Hinrich, we'll have upgraded our roster significantly to a 50-win team.

edit: Jordan HIll = Chris Wilcox. take that however you will.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#644 » by fishercob » Thu May 28, 2009 6:50 pm

pancakes3 wrote:I'm with you nate, in that i think upgrading Jamison is more pressing than upgrading the 2-guard position.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... shs_agent/

We'll probably find out monday if Bosh is on the market or not. The #5 PIck + Jamison + spare parts though probably isn't enticing enough of a package to get him. It's true that we can't afford the top tier guards like Joe Johnson, Vince Carter, or even Rip Hamilton, but I think if we could turn the #5 + songaila into Hinrich, we'll have upgraded our roster significantly to a 50-win team.

edit: Jordan HIll = Chris Wilcox. take that however you will.


I still think Jamison, Blatche, Young +5 gets us Bosh if he really gives TOR indication that he's leaving. The Raps posters swear they'll get more, but I highly doubt it. My fear is that our FO thinks that's too much for Bosh and is intent on trying to win with Jamison at thr 4, no matter what.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#645 » by FreeBalling » Thu May 28, 2009 6:52 pm

nate33 wrote:I'd rather draft Stephen Curry than trade for Barbosa.

That's just the problem. We have a bunch of mediocre options at SG, whether it's DMac, Young, Stevenson or the #5 pick. We can make it work with any of them, but it won't be a strength of our team. Unfortunately, I don't really see that many trade prospects who would be a significant upgrade over our existing options. The few who are significant upgrades (Vince, Rip) will cost an extraordinary amount of money and will probably result in us losing Haywood next year.

I'm no longer interested in focusing on the SG position. There is no SG, except perhaps Joe Johnson or Brandon Roy, who would turn our starting lineup into a championship team. The problem is our Big Three. They're just not good enough. We need to upgrade one of them (presumably Jamison) or we're just spinning our wheels.

Get me Blake Griffin or Chris Bosh. If that doesn't pan out, then draft Curry or Harden at #5. (I'm leaning toward Curry right now but will reserve judgement until after the measurements are in.) Either that or trade down, dump Stevenson, and add a guy like Henderson or Lawson.



Nate I love the idea of Bosh playing in DC :pray:, I'm not sold on Griffin being an impact player in his 1st year big differance in collage vs. NBA or Boys vs. Men. Some players never make the next level.

We know what Bosh is, He's an All-Star PF/C.

1st off I'm going to say Griffin will be more like Tom Gugliotta than Chris Bosh.

2nd Griffin playes D like? How much did we see least year. Not much.

The draft is thin and the media has to hype up some one.

Nate I think your 100% correct on SG.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#646 » by LyricalRico » Thu May 28, 2009 7:36 pm

nate33 wrote:I'd rather draft Stephen Curry than trade for Barbosa.

That's just the problem. We have a bunch of mediocre options at SG, whether it's DMac, Young, Stevenson or the #5 pick. We can make it work with any of them, but it won't be a strength of our team. Unfortunately, I don't really see that many trade prospects who would be a significant upgrade over our existing options. The few who are significant upgrades (Vince, Rip) will cost an extraordinary amount of money and will probably result in us losing Haywood next year.

I'm no longer interested in focusing on the SG position. There is no SG, except perhaps Joe Johnson or Brandon Roy, who would turn our starting lineup into a championship team. The problem is our Big Three. They're just not good enough. We need to upgrade one of them (presumably Jamison) or we're just spinning our wheels.

Get me Blake Griffin or Chris Bosh. If that doesn't pan out, then draft Curry or Harden at #5. (I'm leaning toward Curry right now but will reserve judgement until after the measurements are in.) Either that or trade down, dump Stevenson, and add a guy like Henderson or Lawson.


In the end, you're absolutely right. It always comes down to the Big Three not being good enough. I just hope that Ernie and Flip are on the same page with moving Jamison. Maybe that's why Cassell has been talking him up as a "smart defensive player"?

:pray:

And now would be the time to justify moving him since you've got a new coach/system. And if you can return a big like Bosh it will excite the fan base and should pacify Arenas.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#647 » by BigA » Thu May 28, 2009 8:33 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
Hey, Barry Sanders won the rushing title a few times but I still consider him a "novelty player".
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:nonono: Just want to register strong disagreement with Rico on this.

Carry on.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#648 » by Ji » Thu May 28, 2009 9:06 pm

Did anyone read the article about Bosh that said he has basically peaked and will not get any better. It said he is just going to be what he is...a nice jump shooting power forward
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#649 » by fishercob » Thu May 28, 2009 9:23 pm

Ji wrote:Did anyone read the article about Bosh that said he has basically peaked and will not get any better. It said he is just going to be what he is...a nice jump shooting power forward


KG is is "jumpshooting power forward" too. Not saying Bosh is as good as KG, because he isn't and he never will be, but the fact that he scores a lot off an extremely efficient face-up jumper isn't a bad thing. He'd be a big defensive upgrade over Jamison and wouldn't need to be the primary scoring option here. If he's "peaked" I'd still go get him.
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Post#650 » by Ji » Thu May 28, 2009 9:26 pm

here is the article from National Post

Has Bosh gone as far as he can go?

Questions over Raptors' franchise player

Bruce Arthur, National Post

Watching the NBA playoffs these days, Chris Bosh comes to mind. There is no particular reason that he should, of course, since the centrepiece of the Toronto Raptors was never close to making this post-season. Instead, the free-agent-to-be is sending Twitter updates such as the one from a week ago that read, "Everyone, please stop asking me to come and play for the team in your city. I get that question everyday now. I just want to enjoy my summer."

As do we all. That includes the guys on the teams still playing for an NBA championship -- the Los Angeles Lakers, the Denver Nuggets, the Cleveland Cavaliers, and the Orlando Magic -- though they're probably more interested in postponing their summers. To do that, tradition dictates that with few exceptions, it takes at least one true superstar to win a title. The four remaining teams each have their candidate: Kobe Bryant in L. A., LeBron James in Cleveland, Carmelo Anthony in Denver, and Dwight Howard in Orlando.

Kobe and LeBron are dueling for the title of the league's best player. though it says here that LeBron is clearly ahead, and that Miami's Dwyane Wade might well be No. 2. Neither Howard nor Anthony is at their level; Howard remains offensively rudimentary and struggles at the free-throw line, while Anthony was as much knucklehead as superstar over the first five or six years of his career.

But both have become forces of nature amid well-stocked teams. Howard, the league's reigning defensive player of the year, was averaging 20 points, 16 rebounds, and 2.3 blocks going into last night's Game 4 against Cleveland and has become the league's dominant centre; Anthony is averaging 27.1 points in the post-season, has discovered defence, and seems to be blossoming into a genuine star.

In every game, you can see the varying degree of stardom. LeBron and Kobe are A-listers. There are perhaps four or five other genuine franchise guys around -- Wade, Chris Paul in New Orleans, Tim Duncan in San Antonio. Howard, at age 23, arguably makes that list; Anthony, who turns 25 on Friday, is not yet there, but could. Both have work to do, but both clearly have room to grow.

And it usually takes a transcendent player to win a title in the NBA. Look at the best player or two on every championship team but one of the Magic-Bird era, beginning in 1980:Magic Johnson and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Larry Bird, Julius Erving and Moses Malone, Isiah Thomas, Michael Jordan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal and Bryant, Shaq and Wade, and Kevin Garnett.

The only real exceptions would be those Thomas-led Detroit teams of 1989 and 1990, the Pistons of 2004, and arguably last year's Celtics, where Garnett was not the prototypical take-the-last-shot superstar on a team that included Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. But in an era destined to be defined by the game's young and rising superstars, it will either take a true superstar of your own -- or one hell of an ensemble-- to contend.

And in a roundabout way, this bring us back to Bosh.

This correspondent used to argue with some ferocity that if forced to decide between Anthony and Bosh, Bosh would be the pick because he was more mature, stayed out of off-court trouble, and displayed more visible dedication to the game. With Bosh, you knew what you were getting.

That, however, has become too true. Over the past four seasons, Bosh has reached an appreciable but almost dead flat numerical plateau. His points per game have been 22.5, 22.6, 22.3, and 22.7. His rebounding numbers have ranged between 8.7 and 10.7; his assist numbers between 2.5 and 2.6; his blocked shots between 1.0 and 1.3. He has shot between .487 and .505, with the number trending slightly downward each year; he has attempted 8.3, 8.6, 8.3, and 8.0 free throws per game. Oh, and he has missed 12, 13, 15 and five games, and the Raptors have not won a playoff series.

In other words, he has become an all-star, a fine and respectable player, and a 6-foot-10 metronome.

"I don't think he's going to get any better," says one NBA source who has scouted Bosh extensively. "I love him, but he is what he is -- he's a jump-shooting power forward."

Bosh was left off the league's three all-NBA teams this season, finishing 18th in the voting. The year before, when Bosh missed 15 games due to injury, he was 26th. Both times, coincidentally, he finished one spot ahead of Atlanta's Joe Johnson, a miscast No. 1 if there ever was one. The best-case scenario is that there is a leap left in Bosh, or that he can be a Garnett-like centrepiece on a team with perimeter finishers. It's not clear that either is a possibility.

Regardless, Bosh will command a maximum contract as a free agent next summer --beginning at 30% of the salary cap, whatever it is, which makes it harder to build one hell of an ensemble -- and will be forcefully pursued by more than one other team, including at least one with more immediate championship ambitions than Toronto. The big question being asked is whether the Raptors can resign their franchise player.

But that is not the only question. The other one is this: even if they can re-sign Bosh -- the team's best player, a four-time all-star, a good citizen and teammate and employee-- should they?
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#651 » by Ruzious » Thu May 28, 2009 9:48 pm

BigA wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:
Hey, Barry Sanders won the rushing title a few times but I still consider him a "novelty player".
<snip>


:nonono: Just want to register strong disagreement with Rico on this.

Carry on.

That's blasphemy. I think Rico, Andy Pollin, and Steve Czaban are the only ones who agree with that. Barry Sanders was the single best RB I've ever seen.
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Post#652 » by keynote » Thu May 28, 2009 10:55 pm

Hear, hear. And in football, a great RB can't lead an otherwise average team to a title. Frankly, I can't think of the last Super Bowl winner where the best player on the team was the RB. You gotta go back to the '85 Bears with Payton, and even then it was clear that they were led by their defense.
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Post#653 » by Ji » Thu May 28, 2009 11:19 pm

here is the 1st mock that gives us Brandon Jennings

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=y ... &type=lgns
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Post#654 » by MJG » Thu May 28, 2009 11:54 pm

Depending on how diligent the mock writer is, our pick has to be either the easiest or hardest to choose for. You can basically throw any of the next seven or eight names once you get past the obvious top three and argue the case for it.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#655 » by Cramer » Fri May 29, 2009 12:31 am

Ruzious wrote:
BigA wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:
Hey, Barry Sanders won the rushing title a few times but I still consider him a "novelty player".
<snip>


:nonono: Just want to register strong disagreement with Rico on this.

Carry on.

That's blasphemy. I think Rico, Andy Pollin, and Steve Czaban are the only ones who agree with that. Barry Sanders was the single best RB I've ever seen.



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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#656 » by FreeBalling » Fri May 29, 2009 1:33 am

keynote wrote:Hear, hear. And in football, a great RB can't lead an otherwise average team to a title. Frankly, I can't think of the last Super Bowl winner where the best player on the team was the RB. You gotta go back to the '85 Bears with Payton, and even then it was clear that they were led by their defense.



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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#657 » by miller31time » Fri May 29, 2009 1:43 am

Ji wrote:Did anyone read the article about Bosh that said he has basically peaked and will not get any better. It said he is just going to be what he is...a nice jump shooting power forward


I'm fine with that. He's a top-4 or 5 power forward in the NBA.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#658 » by FreeBalling » Fri May 29, 2009 1:59 am

miller31time wrote:
Ji wrote:Did anyone read the article about Bosh that said he has basically peaked and will not get any better. It said he is just going to be what he is...a nice jump shooting power forward


I'm fine with that. He's a top-4 or 5 power forward in the NBA.


+1

And if Gil is 100% he's going to make Bosh a better player.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#659 » by nate33 » Fri May 29, 2009 2:02 am

miller31time wrote:
Ji wrote:Did anyone read the article about Bosh that said he has basically peaked and will not get any better. It said he is just going to be what he is...a nice jump shooting power forward


I'm fine with that. He's a top-4 or 5 power forward in the NBA.

Who is better? (Assuming Duncan is a center and Garnett is a year older.)
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Post#660 » by miller31time » Fri May 29, 2009 2:08 am

nate33 wrote:
miller31time wrote:
Ji wrote:Did anyone read the article about Bosh that said he has basically peaked and will not get any better. It said he is just going to be what he is...a nice jump shooting power forward


I'm fine with that. He's a top-4 or 5 power forward in the NBA.

Who is better? (Assuming Duncan is a center and Garnett is a year older.)


Eh, I know Duncan plays center (and has for a long time), but I can't stop listing him as a PF.

Anyway, as to how I'd rank the PF's....

1. Nowitzki
2. Gasol
3. Duncan
4. Garnett
5. Amare/Bosh
6. Bosh/Amare

If we're not counting Duncan...

1. Nowitzki
2. Gasol
3. Garnett
4. Amare/Bosh
5. Bosh/Amare

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