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Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach.

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Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach

A: An able strategist (X & O) guy, can maintain focus/harmony in the locker room, can develop young players, can manage stars.
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12%
B: Above average coach with some strengths.
17
29%
C: Mediocre & run of the mill.
25
43%
D: Sucks.
8
14%
E: Sucks at everything.
1
2%
 
Total votes: 58

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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#61 » by hands11 » Sun May 24, 2009 6:50 pm

nate33 wrote:I agree with the general sentiments heard so far about EJ. He's a poor defensive coach and a good offensive coach. He's good with player motivation, so-so with player development, poor at making quick, in-game adjustments. I think the grades given in this thread are a bit harsh though. Overall, I give EJ a B-. He's an average NBA coach, perhaps slightly above average.

I was happy to see him go because I felt that the team had learned about as much as they were going to learn from EJ. It seemed like some of the young guys had tuned him out, and the vets weren't getting any better on defense. But prior to this past year, I thought EJ's positives generally outweighed his negatives.

I think the biggest problem with EJ is that he runs the Princeton Offense, and I just don't think you can win with the Princeton Offense in the long run. The P.O. requires big men with good shooting and passing skills. Unfortunately, bigs with those type of skills rarely come with with top notch rebounding and defensive skills.

Another problem is that the P.O. is so complicated that the team has to spend way too much time working on it in the offseason. That takes away time that would be spent on defensive schemes. It also means that it takes a long time to integrate new players into the system, which makes mid-season trades difficult.

As far as his player rotations, EJ will always prefer a guy with offensive aptitude over a guy with defensive aptitude. His reflex is to try to outscore the opposition rather than try to stop them. This inevitably leads to smallball configurations down the stretch in the fourth quarter with a floorbound 6-8 PF like Songaila playing center, or a 6-5 SG/SF like Jarvis Hayes playing PF.


I don't get the final grade after you tally up all these things. All that adds up to C- or worse.

Basically he can win if he has all the talent and no one gets injured and even then, you don't have any D. That gets you to about 500% with some luck. If you have to many prolonged injuries, you have nothing in the wings and you crash and burn. His best rotation moved were forced on him not because of insight. You never make it very deep in the playoffs because you have no D and your playing AJ on a defensive last stand play with 4 seconds on the clock. Haywood, he is on the bench.

Again, how do all these negatives add up to anything more then a failing grade which is at least a D. We are talking head coach of an NBA team. More specially, a winning NBA team. Last time I checked, you want that coach to take you deep in the playoffs and give you a chance to win it all. You want the coach to be a difference maker on the margin. Someone that can make the tough call or the balls out move that gets you over the top.

It's not like was talking about a young assistant who hasn't been given a chance. We know his track record and it's one of a man that doesn't adjust to his weakness.
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#62 » by hands11 » Sun May 24, 2009 7:22 pm

Gilbert0Arenas wrote:
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corwin wrote:
I cut the rest of this to make it more readable. Thanks but the more I read about Eddie Jordan the more depressing it gets. I just wish the Philly GM would take a look at this thread!


You can't be serious, Corwin. Any GM who would even consider making personnel decisions based on the comments of a few fans on an internet discussion board is an idiot.


Why do you say that? You know as well as anybody that the Wizboard Five, the dirty thiry, (furious forty?) were directly responsible for getting EFJ fired :lol:


While I wouldn't listen to everyone hear there is nothing about posting on a Wiz fan board that would exclude the advise from being valuable or listened to. Some posts here are very insightful. If you think about the hours that get invested in watching every game, crunching numbers, etc. this is kind of a think tank without the filter.

There are more then a few people here that have some of all of the following

- Many years following the NBA and more specifically this team 20-25 years or more
- Has a good to great track record or suggestions, predictions, etc
- High IQ/College Educated
- Are involved in running, hiring, evaluating etc of successful organizations. Again, track record.

We have some good talent scouts, salary experts, trade fanatics, etc.

Actually, sometimes being outside the organizational bubble makes it easier to see things objectively.
Group think can be a very bad thing for an organization.

Personally, my organization monitors some public forums in our industry were people talk about our products and the competitions products. We get some real gems of information that that. We learn about problems with our products, new feature ideas, etc. It's very valuable.
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#63 » by ZonkertheBrainless » Sun May 24, 2009 8:30 pm

Yeah, if I were a GM I would go to the RealGM board and go to zonkerbl's profile and hit "read all posts" and stuff and read nothing else because only his opinion is any good.
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#64 » by daSwami » Wed May 27, 2009 7:21 pm

Many here have said it better, but I'll offer my perspectives on EJ. For better or worse, he's a "system" coach (as opposed to a strategist). Meaning, he has a myopic and unwaivering commitment to the system he specializes in, the Princeton-style offense, which is designed to put a team's best scorers in the best position to score. A Jordan-coached team will likely score a lot of points. He also seems to favor taking full advantge of opportunities to score in transition, which means lots of minutes for quick wing players.

On the defensive end, EJ appears to defer almost completely to whomever his defensive assistant coach is. His Wiz teams gave up a ton of wide open three's, and the perimter players gambled a lot for steals, which meant a lot of open shots for our opponents whose gaurds could penetrate and dish.

My biggest (and only) criticism of EJ as a coach was that he did not seem capable of (or willing to) adapting his strategies from game-to-game (or even within the flow of the game for that matter). He has a method he believes in, and sticks to it regardless of the opponent. I would've preferred to see him show a bit more flexibility in this regard.
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#65 » by closg00 » Wed May 27, 2009 7:54 pm

The fact that EJ has not been offered a new coaching gig to-date speaks volumes. Nuff said.
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#66 » by LyricalRico » Wed May 27, 2009 8:18 pm

closg00 wrote:The fact that EJ has not been offered a new coaching gig to-date speaks volumes. Nuff said.


:nod:

His only way back in is as an assistant. But even that might not happen because he can't coach anything except the Princeton, which doesn't work if you don't have at least 3 All-Star scorers. And even then, the offense itself creates a tempo and a mindset that could negatively impact whatever defensive system the team wants to run.

At this point, EJ might as well go to a mid-major NCAA program that recruits guys who typically stay for 4 years. That's where the Princeton actually has a chance of working.
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#67 » by closg00 » Sat May 30, 2009 1:55 am

:lol: I-guess last choice for the gig will have to do for EJ. Here are some of my favorite quotes from the over-joyed 76 fans.

Westbrook36 wrote:Ok, now my plan is coming to fruition. They got the mediocre coach in place to lead them to the lottery. Now they just need to fix the personnel a bit to make it worse, and they are golden.

Everything working out great so far.

g selle wrote:I just vomited a little.
Why God, why...?
Usually when a topic starts with "breaking news" it's a good thing, a change for the better.
Not this time...
I hope the Wachovia Center averages 8500 people/game next season.


mega montana wrote:absolute disgrace, another mediocre coach who has achieved nothing (never been out of the 1st round with wiz)

we should have just kept cheeks if we wanted to stay mediocre, we coulda saved some money

ed s. disgusts me, he really is doing a great job as billy king's clone

God help us Sixers fans


:lol: Good luck 76 fans
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#68 » by DCZards » Sat May 30, 2009 2:19 am

closg00 wrote:The fact that EJ has not been offered a new coaching gig to-date speaks volumes. Nuff said.



LyricalRico wrote:His only way back in is as an assistant. But even that might not happen because he can't coach anything except the Princeton, which doesn't work if you don't have at least 3 All-Star scorers.



The 76ers have hired Eddie Jordan as their newest head coach, according to ESPN.com. :D
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#69 » by closg00 » Sat May 30, 2009 2:24 am

DCZards wrote:
closg00 wrote:The fact that EJ has not been offered a new coaching gig to-date speaks volumes. Nuff said.



LyricalRico wrote:His only way back in is as an assistant. But even that might not happen because he can't coach anything except the Princeton, which doesn't work if you don't have at least 3 All-Star scorers.



The 76ers have hired Eddie Jordan as their newest head coach, according to ESPN.com. :D

:lol: You kill me Mrs. Jordan...er ah Zard
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#70 » by DCZards » Sat May 30, 2009 2:41 am

closg00 wrote:]

You kill me Mrs. Jordan...er ah Zard


Kill you, closg? No. Just trying to point out that you're not as smart as you think you are.
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#71 » by P'Oed » Sat May 30, 2009 3:16 am

very happy for Eddie. He's paid his dues and is a really great person. I'm sad to see him move out of this area as he lives right next door to one of my closest friends and I've seen his family from time to time in addition to being formally introduced to Eddie himself. My friend tells me they are really sad to be moving out of the area as the family has really grown comfortable here and I'll be sad to see them go. Philly is a great fit for him too, good up and down team that likes to run. I got a hunch we'll be seeing Eddie on the opposite side of the court during the playoffs....
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#72 » by LyricalRico » Sat May 30, 2009 3:25 am

Wow, EJ stealing more money from NBA franchises. Completely laughable. It's going to be great to read the "Fire EJ" threads on the Philly board once they start in December.
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#73 » by mohammed10 » Sat May 30, 2009 3:27 am

LyricalRico wrote:Wow, EJ stealing more money from NBA franchises. Completely laughable. It's going to be great to read the "Fire EJ" threads on the Philly board once they start in December.


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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#74 » by Dat2U » Sat May 30, 2009 3:51 am

DCZards wrote:The 76ers have hired Eddie Jordan as their newest head coach, according to ESPN.com. :D


Hey DCZards, I guess you'll have a new board to post on now. :wink: We'll miss ya buddy. Tell EJ that we wish him the best.
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#75 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat May 30, 2009 4:54 am

DCZards wrote:
closg00 wrote:The fact that EJ has not been offered a new coaching gig to-date speaks volumes. Nuff said.



LyricalRico wrote:His only way back in is as an assistant. But even that might not happen because he can't coach anything except the Princeton, which doesn't work if you don't have at least 3 All-Star scorers.



The 76ers have hired Eddie Jordan as their newest head coach, according to ESPN.com. :D


I wish EJ the best of success against everybody but the Wizards.

I'm happy for him. He's a class act.
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#76 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Sat May 30, 2009 5:16 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
DCZards wrote:
closg00 wrote:The fact that EJ has not been offered a new coaching gig to-date speaks volumes. Nuff said.



LyricalRico wrote:His only way back in is as an assistant. But even that might not happen because he can't coach anything except the Princeton, which doesn't work if you don't have at least 3 All-Star scorers.



The 76ers have hired Eddie Jordan as their newest head coach, according to ESPN.com. :D


I wish EJ the best of success against everybody but the Wizards.

I'm happy for him. He's a class act.


I agree.
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#77 » by hands11 » Sat May 30, 2009 5:50 am

closg00 wrote:The fact that EJ has not been offered a new coaching gig to-date speaks volumes. Nuff said.


And your point was ?
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#78 » by hands11 » Sat May 30, 2009 6:13 am

DCZards wrote:
closg00 wrote:The fact that EJ has not been offered a new coaching gig to-date speaks volumes. Nuff said.



LyricalRico wrote:His only way back in is as an assistant. But even that might not happen because he can't coach anything except the Princeton, which doesn't work if you don't have at least 3 All-Star scorers.



The 76ers have hired Eddie Jordan as their newest head coach, according to ESPN.com. :D



Poor suckers. Does this mean you will be changing your SN ?
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#79 » by hands11 » Sat May 30, 2009 6:17 am

LyricalRico wrote:Wow, EJ stealing more money from NBA franchises. Completely laughable. It's going to be great to read the "Fire EJ" threads on the Philly board once they start in December.



Maybe we can just send them to the links to ours and save them all a lot of typing.
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Re: Please Grade Eddie Jordan as a Coach. 

Post#80 » by Kanyewest » Sat May 30, 2009 6:17 am

Congrats to Eddie Jordan. He should bring a much better halfcourt offense to Philly. He definetely will have a better defensive speciallist in Philly, especially in the small forward and power forward position.

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