3 things are clear now with this Cleveland team

[b-lawson]

All about matchups. Cavs didnt match up well against Orl. Its that simple

Try again like us next year

[Pula_86]

Matchups is sort of an excuse. All year this team was touted for their defensive ability and their balanced offense. It is time to blow this team up and begin to rebuild.

[Icness]

Matchups is sort of an excuse. All year this team was touted for their defensive ability and their balanced offense. It is time to blow this team up and begin to rebuild.

Rebuild with what? rebuild = Lebron Bye Bye

[Dat2U]

The Cavs may have lost, but at least they didn't mortgage their future by trading away J.J. Hickson at the trade deadline.

[Pula_86]

Rebuild with what? rebuild = Lebron Bye Bye

Not rebuilding=bye bye Lebron. That the Cavs did not even make it back to the Finals would lead me to reevaluate things. How serious is Ferry about winning championships when he puts together a team like this with a coach like this?

[moocow007]

Step One...Cavs need to have a heart to heart with Lebron and find out if he really wants to stay or if he really wants to go (I have to believe he knows). Then you base everything else around that. If Lebron commits then maybe you go with what you have (minor tweaks) and look for 2010. If he really wants to go then...well...admit you're screwed and then look to rebuild (with Lebron as your asset in a rebuild). Replacing Mike Brown as the head coach may be the "token move" but that probably depends on what Lebron's view of the guy is.

[Pula_86]

I would hope that if Lebron wanted to leave he would tell management so we could at least get something in a mid-season trade.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Kobe and Lebron is very close. I'll take Kobe because he has a much better jumper and Kobe is a better defender. Kobe is just tougher to defend than Lebron. Nothing against Lebron, he's an amazing player, but I think Kobe is better.

[GP]

your coach is awful. its not that hard to say "lebron, do what you do".

to win you will need a coach that can use all the players and take stress off of lebron at the end

Exactly and for those 5 words Brown won COY. I was firmly in the Kobe>Lebron camp before this series, but after watching all the games, I have to say that Lebron is better. It really is Lebron and scrubs for you guys, even for the games to be close Lebron had to have 40+ pts 10+reb......etc. Also, I think lebron showed that he can/will come up big in games. You guys are lucky you have him for at least one more year.

[BasicBall]

Kobe and Lebron is very close. I'll take Kobe because he has a much better jumper and Kobe is a better defender. Kobe is just tougher to defend than Lebron. Nothing against Lebron, he's an amazing player, but I think Kobe is better.

Kobe is mentally tougher than Lebron. Those 13 years of failing, the fight with Shaq, the meltdown in Utah. Kobe has gone through alot and it shows in how strong he is mentally.

Kobe sincerely does not give a F*CK! LOL

[Blackfyre]

13 years of failing ? wow

[BBallFan72]

Rebuild with what? rebuild = Lebron Bye Bye

Not rebuilding=bye bye Lebron. That the Cavs did not even make it back to the Finals would lead me to reevaluate things. How serious is Ferry about winning championships when he puts together a team like this with a coach like this?

Dumbest statement I have read. Cavs had the MVP, the best record and coach of the year...absent a Championship what else could Ferry do??? Just need to come back more determined. You act like players like Dwight Howard grows on trees. Or two forwards who are 6'10 can put the ball on the floor and shoot the three are just waiting in free agency or the trade market. If the Cavs are smart they try and get Rasheed. That is their best move at this time.

[sfam]

your coach is awful. its not that hard to say "lebron, do what you do".

to win you will need a coach that can use all the players and take stress off of lebron at the end

I was really struck by the lack of changes as the series progressed. Rarely if ever do you see a 6-7 game series where the exact same dynamics that existed in the first two games are still present in full force in the last one. To me there's only one of two explanations: either Mike Brown is a complete idiot, or they simply didn't have an answer with their available personnel. I'm inclined to believe that they simply didn't have an answer.

Bottom line, Cleveland's back court players weren't good enough to trade threes, their front court players couldn't guard Howard, and worse, they couldn't guard Turkoglu and Lewis. Unless the NBA decides to move Orlando to the Western Conference, Cleveland needs faster, younger more capable players.

[rjgraca]

Yeah, it's not really surprising to see posts from other fans who have an ax to grind about the CAVs success and their teams lack of.

Yes, Mike Brown didn't do a lot of good coaching in the Orlando series and the CAVS reverted back to Lebron all the time ball which wasn't the recipe for the CAVs success this past season before the Orlando Series. The CAVs are not that far from being a championship team and cooler heads will prevail as time goes by.

Orlando is on their one and done charge like Boston was last season due to the ecomony and salary cap constraints which will cause great difficulty in holding their team together after this season. It will be interesting match up with the Lakers who have the Gasol Gift inside. If Bynum decides to show up...he could give Howard a real challenge.

The CAVs simply need someone who can consistently score from the inside. The CAVs don't need a Super Star inside...rather a big man who can score consistently like Mo Williams provided at guard for the CAVS.

No, the sky not falling for the CAVs...it's just a Troll parade for some frustrated fans of other teams.

Wassup RJ, where've you been?

[wardevil]

Yeah, it's not really surprising to see posts from other fans who have an ax to grind about the CAVs success and their teams lack of.

Yes, Mike Brown didn't do a lot of good coaching in the Orlando series and the CAVS reverted back to Lebron all the time ball which wasn't the recipe for the CAVs success this past season before the Orlando Series. The CAVs are not that far from being a championship team and cooler heads will prevail as time goes by.

Orlando is on their one and done charge like Boston was last season due to the ecomony and salary cap constraints which will cause great difficulty in holding their team together after this season. It will be interesting match up with the Lakers who have the Gasol Gift inside. If Bynum decides to show up...he could give Howard a real challenge.

The CAVs simply need someone who can consistently score from the inside. The CAVs don't need a Super Star inside...rather a big man who can score consistently like Mo Williams provided at guard for the CAVS.

No, the sky not falling for the CAVs...it's just a Troll parade for some frustrated fans of other teams.

Wassup RJ, where've you been?

How can you compare a over hyped Cavs team to a Celtic championship team? The Cavs were front running all year, once they got smacked in the mouth they turned out to be frauds.The Celtics are much better than the Cavs and would have repeated if healthy. I am tired of the he doesn't have help excuse, or the match up excuse, championship teams adjust to the conditions, that is why they're called champions.The Cavs should have been swept,yet 5 out of the 6 games came down to the wire, and Lebron couldn't close the deal because he chokes at the line, turnovers, or defers to a lesser teammate to take the shot. Now, after the spoiled brat attitude he displayed after game 6, his credibility as a leader is questionable.

The Cavs figured the key to winning the championship was home court advantage, but champions win regardless of where they play.The Celts lost HCA against the Pistons and the Lakers, yet still won the Title. Orlando vs. Boston was the Eastern Conference Finals.

[rjgraca]

Yeah, it's not really surprising to see posts from other fans who have an ax to grind about the CAVs success and their teams lack of.

Yes, Mike Brown didn't do a lot of good coaching in the Orlando series and the CAVS reverted back to Lebron all the time ball which wasn't the recipe for the CAVs success this past season before the Orlando Series. The CAVs are not that far from being a championship team and cooler heads will prevail as time goes by.

Orlando is on their one and done charge like Boston was last season due to the ecomony and salary cap constraints which will cause great difficulty in holding their team together after this season. It will be interesting match up with the Lakers who have the Gasol Gift inside. If Bynum decides to show up...he could give Howard a real challenge.

The CAVs simply need someone who can consistently score from the inside. The CAVs don't need a Super Star inside...rather a big man who can score consistently like Mo Williams provided at guard for the CAVS.

No, the sky not falling for the CAVs...it's just a Troll parade for some frustrated fans of other teams.

Wassup RJ, where've you been?

How can you compare a over hyped Cavs team to a Celtic championship team? The Cavs were front running all year, once they got smacked in the mouth they turned out to be frauds.The Celtics are much better than the Cavs and would have repeated if healthy. I am tired of the he doesn't have help excuse, or the match up excuse, championship teams adjust to the conditions, that is why they're called champions.The Cavs should have been swept,yet 5 out of the 6 games came down to the wire, and Lebron couldn't close the deal because he chokes at the line, turnovers, or defers to a lesser teammate to take the shot. Now, after the spoiled brat attitude he displayed after game 6, his credibility as a leader is questionable.

The Cavs figured the key to winning the championship was home court advantage, but champions win regardless of where they play.The Celts lost HCA against the Pistons and the Lakers, yet still won the Title. Orlando vs. Boston was the Eastern Conference Finals.

Who compared the one and done Celtics to the CAVS...you are trying too. Your post is a good example of my previous post about other teams fan's with an ax to grind (frustration over their teams fortunes) joining a Troll parade here on the CAVs forum---save the rah, rah Celtics stuff for their forum please.

There have been some good constructive posts from other teams fans on this thread and forum which I do appreciate reading.

The CAVS over hyped...not really. Even with their record they were being down played by the National media. When you have the league down grading significant fouls...it just encourages teams
to play rougher which is why the NBA playoffs at times in these playoffs have resembled almost hockey games. It sure looks like all that whining about fouls by Orlando and the Lakers were quite effective, but Orlando has met their match in Lakers Phil Jackson who is the master at playing the officials and even willing to pay a $50,000.00 fine to influence the officiating.

Wassup RJ, where've you been?

Busy at work and taking a deep breath during the CAVs disappointing effort against the magic to take a more objective view of the CAVs going forward.

[TheOUTLAW]

I have no doubt that the Cavs would have beaten the Celtics. The only reason that the Celts beat the Cavs last year was because they had homecourt.

[pardon_my_interruption]

13 years of failing ? wow

Yeah I don't know what he's referring to here.

But as a non-partial fan of both players..I must say that Kobe Bryant is probably the most mental tough high profile player the game has seen since Michael Jordan.

If you look back on his career post Shaq...he has been through a helluva lot publicly. From family issues, criminal issues, flatout disrespect among his peers and former teammates (even his former coach), and the guy never relinquished the title as the best in the league throughout. Many good to great players would have crumbled by now and understandably so.

As a person who sincerely hates the Lakers..I have grown to become a big Kobe fan.

As far as Lebron goes, he has a ways to go to get to Bryant's level. He showed a lot of immaturity with his actions after the Game 6 lost to the Magic.

He's a great great player, but he's no Kobe.

And neither are MJ.

One and one only.

[pardon_my_interruption]

I have no doubt that the Cavs would have beaten the Celtics. The only reason that the Celts beat the Cavs last year was because they had homecourt.

What? They would have had similar matchup problems agains the Celtics that they had against Orlando.

James - Pierce - Turkoglu
Varejao - Big Baby - Shard
Z - Garnett - Howard

Of course Big Baby is no Lewis but Davis can play away from the basket. That's not a good thing for the Cavs frontcourt.

Not to mention Ray Allen.