How to SHUT DOWN Kobe & LAKESHOW (Official Dummies Guide)

[magicfan4life05]

ok guys you know the drill.....

we've made it this far, and these threads have been so useful in the past ( yeah not really but anyway )....so IT'S BACK !

So let's continue in the NBA FINALS with the ultra talented LA Lakers !

Trying to shutdown Kobe and LA's offense is pretty much impossible, but let's imagine !! (and pray )


So let's try to post all the info we can find on what the Lakers like to run at end of game situation, coming out of timeouts, and general trends they like to do on offense/defense !

Since this is the official how to shut down LAKERS x's and o's thread, so to make it legit, we need ANSWRZ!!11!

we arent SVG's coaching staff (and only realgm amateurs!!) but we are dedicated fans !!



(btw LA fans I'm half jokingly around we got a lot of respect for Kobe Bean and the Lakers)

[magicfan4life05]

http://coachingbetterbball.blogspot.com ... ental.html

Pau Gasol is the Big Laker Fundamental


In last night's Game 6 elimination win by the Lakers over the Nuggets, the key stretches were late in the first half when they made that run to close the half, and early in the 3rd quarter with the fine play of Pau Gasol in the post. I've watched several games so far throughout these playoffs where Gasol played very well, and it shouldn't be surprising because the triangle offense after all is predicated on good post play.

In contrast to a power center like Dwight Howard or Shaq, Gasol is the kind of post player that beats you will exceptional footwork and fundamentals, much like a Tim Duncan. When he's got his back against the defender in the post, he reads the contact and then makes his move depending on where the contact is from. Take a look at a few plays from the 3rd quarter,



With Pau Gasol, it's a matter of simple mechanics. He receives the ball in the post, and plants his feet shoulder width apart. He leans back as he feels the weight of the defender deciding where the contact is and how he will attack. As he gathers himself, he takes 1 or 2 dribbles knocking the defender back a step or 2. As he gathers himself, he bumps off the defender, pivots and rolls baseline with a drop step and goes up for a hook shot or off the glass,

Summary:

At the end of the clip you heard Mike Breen talk about what Gasol said post-game after the Game 5 that the Lakers needed to get the ball into the post more often. I don't think that was a slight against the Lakers. After all, the triangle offense is designed to be initiated with a post-entry pass to the low post, and depending on how the defense is playing, there is a 3-man game on the strong-side and 2-man on the weak side. So, really Gasol was just saying the Lakers needed to go back to the triangle offense.

Overall, in the past 2 games, I thought the Lakers have really shown why they were the favorites again from the Western Conference. They have the talent, and now the defense to take it all the way. The Lakers will once again be the favorite in the Finals against either the Cavs or the Magic, and once again it will be whether the Lakers can execute that will determine whether or not they are champions or runner-up this time around.

[magicfan4life05]

Phil Jackson is 43-0 when his team his game 1.


When Phil Jackson DOES NOT win game 1 here is his record:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=906418&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=45#p19554003

this stat really isn't too surprising because Phil just has an outstanding playoff record overall. What's his record in series where he lost the first game?

Bulls
1990 - Detroit - Loss
1991 - Lakers - Won
1992 - Knicks - Won
1993 - Knicks - Won
1994 - Knicks - Loss
1995 - Charlotte - Won
1995 - Orlando - Loss
1998 - Utah - Won

5-3 with the Bulls



2001 - Sixers - Won
2003 - Spurs - Loss
2004 - Spurs - Won
2004 - Pistons - Loss
2006 - Suns - Loss
2007 - Suns - Loss
2008 - Celtics - Loss
2009 - Rockets - Won

3-5 with the Lakers


Total = 8-8 in series where he loses the 1st game.

So basically the big key here is....YOU GOTTA WIN GAME 1 !!!!!

[Nemesis21]

Shouldn't this go in the Magic/Lakers thread ?

[Cigamodnalro]

Shouldn't this go in the Magic/Lakers thread ?

No. This deserves it's own thread, and maybe a sticky.

Keep it coming mf4l. How do we stop KOBE?

[GetMoney]

1. Get Gasol in foul trouble
2. Keep Dwight and Shard out of foul trouble
3. Don't ignore Ariza and let him freelance - LA is potent when Ariza is allowed to shoot wide open 3's, attack the basket, get steals/make hustle plays which spark Laker runs
4. Force LA to use energy on both ends of the court - particularly the Laker bigs. Gasol/Odom/Bynum would love nothing more than to use all their energy offensive rebounding and getting easy layups/and-1's
5. Limit LA to less than 8 offensive boards and Kobe to less than 10 FTA's
6. DO NOT BEAT YOURSELF like Denver

[magicfan4life05]

Shouldn't this go in the Magic/Lakers thread ?

No. This deserves it's own thread, and maybe a sticky.

Keep it coming mf4l. How do we stop KOBE?

thanks !


Everyone knows the Lakers utilize the traingle offense and how it's predicated by spacing, shooting, passing and low post play, the Lakers usually start out the game using this offense.

However, something I have noticed is contrary to popular belief, as the game progress, usually in the 2nd half, Lakers usually go to primarily a pic and roll offense with Kobe and Gasol and move away from the triangle.

Kobe is then basically the 'quarterback' of the offense, where he makes all the decisions, he decides whether to score or find the shooters.

Conversely, early in the game, Kobe is focused on 'getting everyone else involved' . , earlier in the game when they use the triangle, he doesn't have so much "control" of the offense because usually Gasol and Bynum are getting post ups and kobe is usually finishing shots. When they move away from their sets in the 2nd half, kobe is usually facilitating....BIG DIFFERENCE !!


Another characteristic I've noticed, kobe has been doing a great job, probably the best since early shaq championship years, of distributing the ball to his team. Now more than ever, instead of kobe trying to beat you by himself, he's acting more like a 'decoy' and wants the attention of the D focused on him and then he passes at the last second to the open teammate for a easy shot. The "decoy" term is not meant for a slight at all, just the best phrase to describe this observation.


Once again, now MORE THAN EVER, kobe is really trying to beat you with his teammates, but make no mistake he's still willing to put the dagger in you with a shot in a moments notice.

This is kobe bryant's SIXTH FINALS APPEARANCE. He's been there and done that. He's won 3 times, he's lost 2 times, he's seen it all. Kobe knows now is the time to really win it all and cement his legacy w/o shaq.

This will be a daunting task for the Magic, but I wouldn't like it any other way !!


More to come later !! others please post your scouting/comments/jokes/ and stuff !!

[Sgaking]

Why even bother, Kobes Unstoppableness is Unstoppable. jk
These are the threads I love to read

[AdamTheGreek]

We're probably going to play them similar to the Cavs, but the Lakers have some ridiculous weapons unlike Cleveland.

[TMU]

Similar to the game plan that your team utilized against Cleveland. Shut down his teammates, and force Kobe to take 30+ shots.

[Warhammer3025]

Lakers fan here. Congratulations on beating the overrated Cavs and making the finals. I was rooting for LBJ the whole way cuz i know we'd destroy the Cavs with our longer frontline and balanced attack. Sadly you guys ended up beating them despite Stern's best attempts to force a Kobe-Lebron confrontation. I'll even admit, i hope Stern gift wraps us a few games like he did last year with the Celts due to the fact that you guys scare the ever living hell out of us with DHo and your 3 pt shooting.

As an avid Laker fan i've been party to many a discussion on how to stop the Lakers and this thread seems like an interesting way to get a read on how other fanbases will respond. Too often i get the "Ju wrong we is da shizz kobe pwns all" non-sense from fellow Laker fans which ended up in that ugly ass whooping we received from the Celtics and the very very poor showings we've made throughout the HOU series and the first few games of the DEN series.

You wanna beat the Lakers? It's pretty damn simple.

Challenge Kobe's manhood from the get go. Have Pietrus spout off non-sense that he'll be the kobe-stopper and will shut him down cold. Make it so that Kobe gets into patented (Please Use More Appropriate Word) self and try to ballhog his way to glory ala 2004 Detroit series. When Kobe starts jacking for no good reason the rest of the team deflates and cant come up during the clutch later in the game which continues a vicious cycle of Kobe not trusting his teammates even though he's the damn problem of why they're playing so poorly. Defensive rotations slow down, shooting goes cold, and refs start getting sick of Kobe complaining how he's getting fouled the second the play starts. Now unless Stern hands down a dictate that Kobe shall not be touched and be treated like the King, then this ridiculous 1 on the world might work (see DWhistle FT parade), otherwise we'll be seeing repeats of the very bad beatdowns we received by the Celts last year.

Play like thugz. Grab, clutch, push, and do all the dirty little things to piss off your opponents, get them off their game, or to tire them out. This is what BOS, HOU, and DEN did and its basically what allowed them to win or force a longer series than it should've been based on talent disparity. The only reason DEN came short was due to the pure unadulterated retardedness of DEN plaeyrs where even when refs were giving them leeway and calls they were committing the most blatantly obvious fouls possible that MUST BE CALLED instead of swallowing the whistle without it being too obvious how they were trying to get them back into the game. From the start play rough and tough and see how the refs respond, if they call the game tight (most likely during LA home games) then you gotta back off and play straight up clean, but during periods when you're down by a lot and need a run to get back or during home games start amping up the dirty play and the refs will mostly look the other way. Its pretty obvious how refs control the game so a smart team must use it to their advantage.

Abuse Fish the cement footed PG. If he's in and not being abused then you've simply failed. He's completely worthless on defense allowing guards to blow by him and forcing our bigs (namely Bynum) to rack up fouls to protect the paint. On defense just make sure to get in his face and he'll be bricking 3s left and right, if he's left wide open then he'll make a few but he's nowhere the shooter he was in the past so leaving him wide open wont hurt as bad if you simply need that help defender down low.

This is rather silly to say. Remain hot from 3 pt land. LA is gonna solo DHo cover with Bynum til he fouls out, then maybe even put in DJ MBenga to use up 6 fouls if DHo is ice from the FT line. We are NOT gonna leave you guys wide open out there from double downs on DHo. So you're gonna have to hit while we have a hand in your face. We're not gonna block any 3 pt shots (well Ariza might get 2 lucky blocks) but we're gonna be damned sure to close and make sure we have SOMETHING in your face as you launch. If you keep hitting, we're screwed, if not, then DHo is gonna need to destroy the man trying to box him out, and believe me, we're gonna pull out all the stops to slow him down. Have a small stand in his way and flop like a fish on contact, stand in his way just to trip him up before he can elevate for a board, plain ol dirty hip check him. We're gonna swarm the paint on defensive boards cuz there's no way in hell we're gonna let DHo get going on put backs.

Dang long post already and i havent even said half of the stuff i wanted to say. Guess i'll save it for later and let ya'll digest what i've said so far. Most of it is pretty common sense stuff and others is just plain dirty, but if you wanna win, then sometimes you're just gonna have to dirty your hands for that extra bit.

[magicfan4life05]

^^^^


thanks for sharing your thoughts !!

look forward to reading your later posts here !

[Nemesis21]

Somebody quick, cast Jack Nicholson in a movie. Take away their 6th man

[Nemesis21]

Somebody steal Phil Jackson's cushion chair

[magicfan4life05]

Somebody quick, cast Jack Nicholson in a movie. Take away their 6th man

OMG


are you really going to order a "code red" ?!?!?!

[Nemesis21]

1. Get Gasol in foul trouble
2. Keep Dwight and Shard out of foul trouble
3. Don't ignore Ariza and let him freelance - LA is potent when Ariza is allowed to shoot wide open 3's, attack the basket, get steals/make hustle plays which spark Laker runs
4. Force LA to use energy on both ends of the court - particularly the Laker bigs. Gasol/Odom/Bynum would love nothing more than to use all their energy offensive rebounding and getting easy layups/and-1's
5. Limit LA to less than 8 offensive boards and Kobe to less than 10 FTA's
6. DO NOT BEAT YOURSELF like Denver

Those are all very good, thanks for sharing

[Nemesis21]

Somebody quick, cast Jack Nicholson in a movie. Take away their 6th man

OMG


are you really going to order a "code red" ?!?!?!

[Jajwanda]

If you play us like you played Cleveland you'll be finished. Nobody on that team could create worth a crap or post up. It's going to be a very different match up in its entirety. I wish you guys played us like you did Cleveland. It's how the Spurs used to play Kobe with Bowen on him, covering everyone else. Once Kobe became smarter he destroyed those types of defenses.

You guys as far as I know are not like Boston in the sense of being thugs and getting away with it. Don't rely on that. We're tougher than last year.

[Nemesis21]

If you play us like you played Cleveland you'll be finished. Nobody on that team could create worth a crap or post up. It's going to be a very different match up in its entirety. I wish you guys played us like you did Cleveland. It's how the Spurs used to play Kobe with Bowen on him, covering everyone else. Once Kobe became smarter he destroyed those types of defenses.

You guys as far as I know are not like Boston in the sense of being thugs and getting away with it. Don't rely on that. We're tougher than last year.

We will see

[Sofa King]

Answer: Bring Denver sluts to the game.