Amir + #15?

vege · Post #1 » by **vege** » Sat May 23, 2009 4:03 am

I don't know, OKC showed interest in Amir during this season, and Joe D is reportedly trying to get more capspace to sign 2 FA this season.

I was wondering if OKC would trade Amir + the #15 for a TPE + OKC 2010 1st unprotected?

ThunderPoke · Post #2 » by **ThunderPoke** » Sat May 23, 2009 11:40 pm

Absolutely we would do this.

Yoshi2kx · Post #3 » by **Yoshi2kx** » Sun May 24, 2009 5:24 am

uhhhhhh no we would not.

Next year we are in the lottoery again in a deeper draft. what if we are injury plagued and finish in the worst 5?Then we are ******. Not to mention amir wont bring anything different than what DJ White would so if you really wanted another big guy you could easily get Blaire who would come at a much cheaper price.

Last Note the 15th pick in this draft is the equivalent to the 25th in quality ones.

IanChang · Post #4 » by **IanChang** » Sun May 24, 2009 6:59 am

I hope not. Amir is still raw in the game and I see him at best be another Tyrus Thomas in near future, he brings energy to the defense but is too foul pron and that really doesn't solve the problems in the paint, plus Serge Ibaka is going to join the team and I don't think Amir is any better than him in potential. I would definitely say yes If your proposal is to swap Amir for an OKC lottery protected pick.

vege · Post #5 » by **vege** » Mon May 25, 2009 9:26 pm

IanChang wrote:I hope not. Amir is still raw in the game and I see him at best be another Tyrus Thomas in near future, he brings energy to the defense but is too foul pron and that really doesn't solve the problems in the paint, plus Serge Ibaka is going to join the team and I don't think Amir is any better than him in potential. I would definitely say yes If your proposal is to swap Amir for an OKC lottery protected pick.

i don't really know what and if Joe D will propose anything, it have been reported that he is trying to get ~25 millions in capspace and is looking to get ride of the #15 pick, i remember somewhere this season there were reports that OKC are interested in Afflalo and Amir but they had nothing Detroit would want for them at that time.

I don't know if Detroit want to get more capspace do you guys have any suggestion? I believe Afflalo would be off limits but Joe D would have interest in move Amir and the #15 for capspace and future considerations.

Yoshi2kx Amir have a great potential the problem is he got his chances with a rookie and (Please Use More Appropriate Word) head coach, in a team where he would have a hell lot more opportunities he could blossom and became a great defensive player, he brings in a lot of energy and is a great rebounder and shot blocker. He needs more playing time to learn how to control himself and not get stupid calls like he got this season.

Yoshi2kx · Post #6 » by **Yoshi2kx** » Mon May 25, 2009 10:04 pm

vege wrote:
IanChang wrote:I hope not. Amir is still raw in the game and I see him at best be another Tyrus Thomas in near future, he brings energy to the defense but is too foul pron and that really doesn't solve the problems in the paint, plus Serge Ibaka is going to join the team and I don't think Amir is any better than him in potential. I would definitely say yes If your proposal is to swap Amir for an OKC lottery protected pick.

Yoshi2kx Amir have a great potential the problem is he got his chances with a rookie and (Please Use More Appropriate Word) head coach, in a team where he would have a hell lot more opportunities he could blossom and became a great defensive player, he brings in a lot of energy and is a great rebounder and shot blocker. He needs more playing time to learn how to control himself and not get stupid calls like he got this season.

The only people who think he has potential are Piston fans. What's "Great potential"? an All-star? Been hearin that for a long time about him I haven't seen him play once but I wont fall for the hype. Like I said before DJ White next year will bring plenty of rebounding and defense and if we really felt like it was neccesary to furthermore log jam the front court w/'someone who wouldnt bring anythin different other than "potential"; Then I dont think it is worth it. A lottery protected 2010 pick would do just fine, top 10 protected in 2011, unprotected in 2012, im not willin to give a totally vulnerable pick when I dont know the outcome of the draft, what our future holds, especially for Amir Johnson and I think a lot of people would agree with me.

vege · Post #7 » by **vege** » Mon May 25, 2009 10:52 pm

nevermind. just let the thread die

princeofpalace · Post #8 » by **princeofpalace** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 12:09 pm

Apparently this has some merit

With the Detroit Pistons looking to get as far under the salary cap as they can this summer, and the Oklahoma City Thunder being one of the few teams who are able to help them shed salary, the two teams have emerged as natural trade partners, multiple NBA sources told DraftExpress this past weekend.

With very few teams projected to have cap space this summer (Oklahoma City, Memphis, Portland, Sacramento and Atlanta being the main ones), it appears that Detroit could be in great position to take advantage of the strength of this free agent class and nab a couple of pieces that would put them right back in the mix to compete for the Eastern conference finals. Detroit is currently slated to be around 20 million dollars underneath the cap, but could shed another five million or so by unloading the contracts of Amir Johnson and their first round pick (#15).

Enter the Oklahoma City Thunder. They are reportedly high on B.J. Mullens (as is Milwaukee), and likely would be able to nab him with the 15th pick. Considering how far under the cap they’ll be this summer, they would have no problem taking on Amir Johnson’s expiring 3.66 million dollar contract. They should be able to find a suitor for their late first round pick if they choose to do so, as teams like San Antonio, Houston, Toronto and Orlando are all in the market for a draft choice in that range.

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/#Word-on-the-Street-June-2nd-3241

BadWolf · Post #9 » by **BadWolf** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 4:18 pm

so Amir and Mullens for capspace?
add Harden with #3 and OKC is set till 2010.
If none of the bigman works, there's a bigman rich draft in 2010.

Post #10 » by **wizkid27** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 5:20 pm

I wouldn't think that the deal is just for cap space... Amir and the 15th pick both have at least some positive value and Amir's contract isn't big enough to have much real negative value. I would think we'd at least be giving up some attractive asset, and considering the Pistons' situation, it would probably be some manner of rights/future picks. Maybe Ibaka and possibly next year's 2nd rounder?

bstein14 · Post #11 » by **bstein14** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 6:14 pm

I would guess it would be Amir/#15 for a heavily protected future first that would prevent it from being a lotto pick for at least 3-4 seasons.

Something like

Top 14 protected 2010
Top 14 protected 2011
Top 14 protected 2012
Top 3 protected 2013
Unprotected 2014

Joe Berry · Post #12 » by **Joe Berry** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 6:29 pm

what about Phoenix first round pick in 2010? should be a mid first round pick next year...so Amir + 15th Pick this year for Phoenix pick next year...?!

Durantist · Post #13 » by **Durantist** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 9:28 pm

Simple explanation, OKC wants to pick BJ Mullens before Chicago picks him at #16. I hope this happens because the team will be set. Westbrook,Harden,Durant,Green,Mullens. Mullens>Thabeet (in mpg)

bstein14 · Post #14 » by **bstein14** » Wed Jun 3, 2009 2:14 am

Not to mention Amir can be the 4th big off the bench... he's a solid energy guy who is still super young.

Yoshi2kx · Post #15 » by **Yoshi2kx** » Wed Jun 3, 2009 5:09 am

we aren't tradin the phoenix pick w/o protection before we see how the suns fair next season they might have one hell of a nightmarish season and it wouldnt benefit us at all; but hey atleast we got Amir Johnson back!

Yoshi2kx · Post #16 » by **Yoshi2kx** » Wed Jun 3, 2009 5:11 am

bstein14 wrote:Not to mention Amir can be the 4th big off the bench... he's a solid energy guy who is still super young.

DJ White will also provide plenty of energy off the bench and is 22/'23

IanChang · Post #17 » by **IanChang** » Wed Jun 3, 2009 7:53 am

Did you see Rodney Carney's trade last year? The Thunder is under no obligation to clear the Pistons' cap space unless they do the Thunder some favor... They may recieve only money and TE in this trade.

mnkinga23 · Post #18 » by **mnkinga23** » Tue Jun 9, 2009 6:47 am

I don't mind the trade, but I was thinking that we could expand this to get something that the Thunder actually needs. The Lakers have to resign both Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza. The huge contract that they just gave Bynum is going to make their cap explode, especially with the decreasing salary cap and luxury tax thresholds. In come the Thunder with this trade proposal:

Detroit sends #15 and Amir Johnson/ receive #25
OKC sends #3, #25, and Earl Watson/ receive Andrew Bynum
Lakers send Andrew Bynum/ receive #3, #15, Amir Johnson, and Earl Watson

Detroit's needs have already been said earlier in this thread. The Thunder get the young center of their future. The Lakers are able to allocate the money that they save from Bynum's contract for Odom and Ariza without their payroll getting into the low 90s. They can also use the picks that they get to get some young talent to supplement the veterans on their roster.

Clangus · Post #19 » by **Clangus** » Tue Jun 9, 2009 7:47 am

I really dont think the lakers will part with Bynum.
Im not sure he is worth the fat contract he received. Do we really want that on our books?

mnkinga23 · Post #20 » by **mnkinga23** » Tue Jun 9, 2009 3:24 pm

Yes, because size in the NBA is expensive and quality size even more so. That is why a guy like Erick Dampier can make 11.5 million while averaging 6ppg and 7rpg. Bynum would give this team interior defense and interior scoring, both of which the Thunder do not have. I don't know if the Lakers would deal but it would work if they did.