Looks Like Nelson is Back and Strong

BBallFan72 · Post #1 » by **BBallFan72** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 5:53 pm

Well he may end up being an X factor against you guys. Reading this article tells me he is much further along than he is letting on. Plus the guy he would replace, Anthony Johnson says he fully expects him to play.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/b ... 5094.story

BBallFan72 · Post #2 » by **BBallFan72** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 5:54 pm

What is the Lakers thoughts on Jameer playing with the second unit for 15-20 minutes a game. Can Farmar step it up?

chefy · Post #3 » by **chefy** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 5:58 pm

nice hehe

Sofa King · Post #4 » by **Sofa King** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 6:03 pm

Shannon Brown's new assignment - Stop Nelson!

TonyMontana · Post #5 » by **TonyMontana** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 6:47 pm

I think its going to comeback and bite them in the ass. I think the Magic dont think they can beat the Lakers without J.N and they feel that since he did a great job against us in regular season that he will have the same effect when he returns.
I dont see him as being a factor at all since he has been out the game for a long time, and by doing that your actually discrediting the guys that helped you get to the finals, (R.A, Lee) and you are taking away their minutes which they have rightfully earned.
I think its a bad move by the Magic, oh all it takes is one bad hit in the shoulder and we will find out what kind of shape his shoulders in.

Rick Rolled · Post #6 » by **Rick Rolled** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 7:01 pm

TonyMontana wrote:I think its going to comeback and bite them in the ass. I think the Magic dont think they can beat the Lakers without J.N and they feel that since he did a great job against us in regular season that he will have the same effect when he returns.
I dont see him as being a factor at all since he has been out the game for a long time, and by doing that your actually discrediting the guys that helped you get to the finals, (R.A, Lee) and you are taking away their minutes which they have rightfully earned.
I think its a bad move by the Magic, oh all it takes is one bad hit in the shoulder and we will find out what kind of shape his shoulders in.

He'd be taking over Anthony Johnson's 15-20 minutes per game.

Most likely scenario: Jameer plays garbage minutes in game 1, and dislocates his spinal cord battling Mbenga for a rebound.

Post #7 » by **LLcoleJ** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 7:03 pm

You mean looks like Nelson could be back. Taking some liberty with "back and strong".

Bottom line: it would be amazing if he made a significant impact in the series.

Hasn't played for 4 months. Out of game shape. Never been in finals shape. Good for him if he gets some burn, but I don't see him hanging games on us like he did in the regular season and at that point it doesn't mean much.

mhectorgato · Post #8 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 7:03 pm

TonyMontana wrote:I think its going to comeback and bite them in the ass. I think the Magic dont think they can beat the Lakers without J.N and they feel that since he did a great job against us in regular season that he will have the same effect when he returns.
I dont see him as being a factor at all since he has been out the game for a long time, and by doing that your actually discrediting the guys that helped you get to the finals, (R.A, Lee) and you are taking away their minutes which they have rightfully earned.
I think its a bad move by the Magic, oh all it takes is one bad hit in the shoulder and we will find out what kind of shape his shoulders in.

We already have the confidence given the path we had getting the finals. Because of slow starts we've overcome big deficits to win games, we closed out Boston in Beantown and we dealt with the FT line parade of LBJ. We've got the "we're never out of a game" menality, which has been earned, not just in the Finals.

That said, confidence only gets you so far.

Nelson coming back wouldn't discredit Rafer, since he wouldn't be starting and we all know we wouldn't even be near a Finals appearance, were it not for him. Plus SVG greatly varies the minutes his PGs play, so Jameer might be in when Rafer normally wouldn't.

Not sure how Jameer would be taking anything away from Lee either.

It's more of an emotional lift for us. Plus, having another option/threat helps when you are playing for the championship. I see Pietrus being more of a factor off of the bench than Jameer. But then again he may surprise me, as he's done many times already.

mhectorgato · Post #9 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 7:04 pm

Phil_2.0 wrote:You mean looks like Nelson could be back. Taking some liberty with "back and strong".

Bottom line: it would be amazing if he made a significant impact in the series.

Hasn't played for 4 months. Out of game shape. Never been in finals shape. Good for him if he gets some burn, but I don't see him hanging games on us like he did in the regular season and at that point it doesn't mean much.

Agreed.

chefy · Post #10 » by **chefy** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 7:25 pm

TonyMontana wrote:I think its going to comeback and bite them in the ass. I think the Magic dont think they can beat the Lakers without J.N and they feel that since he did a great job against us in regular season that he will have the same effect when he returns.
I dont see him as being a factor at all since he has been out the game for a long time, and by doing that your actually discrediting the guys that helped you get to the finals, (R.A, Lee) and you are taking away their minutes which they have rightfully earned.
I think its a bad move by the Magic, oh all it takes is one bad hit in the shoulder and we will find out what kind of shape his shoulders in.

+1

This is a "make or break" move for them. He hasn't play for a very loooong time and this is the FINALS. They're taking a lot of risk if they let Nelson play. It can screw up magic's player rotation, and there is a potential that he might re injured his shoulder again. But if everything goes right for them, if Nelson is indeed 100% and if he plays at the same level as he was before the injury. Then...still Lakers in 6 :lol:

at least they're not going to have an excuse if we beat them :lol:

J/K J/K I'll be a tough and very entertaining Finals.

BBallFan72 · Post #11 » by **BBallFan72** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 7:27 pm

Well just on ESPN News Jemel Hill said he is going to be back and according to the players he has been very impressive in contact drills and practice. Not sure the Magic or their fans could ever say that Anthony Johnson has been impressive in anything. Since Nelson would be eating in to his minutes, I see that as an advantage for the Magic. When watching the Magic, they lost a little on the floor with Johnson. I cannot imagine Jameer Nelson at 50% is worse than Johnson at 100%. If he can shoot like he was shooting and does not turn the ball over, he could be a difference maker off the bench.

mhectorgato · Post #12 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 7:48 pm

chefy wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:I think its going to comeback and bite them in the ass. I think the Magic dont think they can beat the Lakers without J.N and they feel that since he did a great job against us in regular season that he will have the same effect when he returns.
I dont see him as being a factor at all since he has been out the game for a long time, and by doing that your actually discrediting the guys that helped you get to the finals, (R.A, Lee) and you are taking away their minutes which they have rightfully earned.
I think its a bad move by the Magic, oh all it takes is one bad hit in the shoulder and we will find out what kind of shape his shoulders in.

+1

This is a "make or break" move for them. He hasn't play for a very loooong time and this is the FINALS. They're taking a lot of risk if they let Nelson play. It can screw up magic's player rotation, and there is a potential that he might re injured his shoulder again. But if everything goes right for them, if Nelson is indeed 100% and if he plays at the same level as he was before the injury. Then...still Lakers in 6 at least they're not going to have an excuse if we beat them J/K J/K I'll be a tough and very entertaining Finals.

I can't imagine that we're going to rely on him as a major contributor. SVG hasn't been very consistent on who he's playing and for how long at the PG - Rafer, AJ or Turk at the point forward.

AJ has been good ... periodically. So If AJ is having a down game, we lose nothing if Jameer comes instead (assiuming he's physically up to the task).

Our biggest possiblity at a risk is if he reinjures himself, not in the player rotations, imo.

Redphilly · Post #13 » by **Redphilly** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 7:54 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:I think its going to comeback and bite them in the ass. I think the Magic dont think they can beat the Lakers without J.N and they feel that since he did a great job against us in regular season that he will have the same effect when he returns.
I dont see him as being a factor at all since he has been out the game for a long time, and by doing that your actually discrediting the guys that helped you get to the finals, (R.A, Lee) and you are taking away their minutes which they have rightfully earned.
I think its a bad move by the Magic, oh all it takes is one bad hit in the shoulder and we will find out what kind of shape his shoulders in.

He'd be taking over Anthony Johnson's 15-20 minutes per game.

Most likely scenario: Jameer plays garbage minutes in game 1, and dislocates his spinal cord battling Mbenga for a rebound.

Mbenga will not play 1 single minute in this serie and if he hurts Nelson i will see him here in Belgium and he will never return to LA

(Sorry for my bad english)

chefy · Post #14 » by **chefy** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 8:00 pm

Redphilly wrote:
Rick Rolled wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:I think its going to comeback and bite them in the ass. I think the Magic dont think they can beat the Lakers without J.N and they feel that since he did a great job against us in regular season that he will have the same effect when he returns.
I dont see him as being a factor at all since he has been out the game for a long time, and by doing that your actually discrediting the guys that helped you get to the finals, (R.A, Lee) and you are taking away their minutes which they have rightfully earned.
I think its a bad move by the Magic, oh all it takes is one bad hit in the shoulder and we will find out what kind of shape his shoulders in.

He'd be taking over Anthony Johnson's 15-20 minutes per game.

Most likely scenario: Jameer plays garbage minutes in game 1, and dislocates his spinal cord battling Mbenga for a rebound.

Mbenga will not play 1 single minute in this serie and if he hurts Nelson i will see him here in Belgium and he will never return to LA (Sorry for my bad english)

whahaha, dude Mbenga is 7'1, 200+ lbs and he has a black belt in Taekwondo

MagicFan32 · Post #15 » by **MagicFan32** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 8:10 pm

TonyMontana wrote:I think its going to comeback and bite them in the ass. I think the Magic dont think they can beat the Lakers without J.N and they feel that since he did a great job against us in regular season that he will have the same effect when he returns.
I dont see him as being a factor at all since he has been out the game for a long time, and by doing that your actually discrediting the guys that helped you get to the finals, (R.A, Lee) and you are taking away their minutes which they have rightfully earned.
I think its a bad move by the Magic, oh all it takes is one bad hit in the shoulder and we will find out what kind of shape his shoulders in.

Yeah a team that defeated the reigning champs and the team with the best record thinks they can't beat you. right.

it's a case of justhaving another player to contribute, but somehow laker fans twist this into orlando thinking they can't beat you.

shortodom · Post #16 » by **shortodom** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 8:11 pm

BBallFan72 wrote:What is the Lakers thoughts on Jameer playing with the second unit for 15-20 minutes a game. Can Farmar step it up?

I think Phil finally realized that Shannon can play some good D and i think he'll get the time against Nelson.

lakersfanatic · Post #17 » by **lakersfanatic** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 8:12 pm

since he's been out for so long and the team has gotten along well without him. I think it's a bad decision on their part. It may disrupt what good team chemistry they already have.
True we got lit up by him the two games we played against them but we all know he's not 100 percent and it takes time to get back again physically and mentally.

I think it's more of a publicity then anything.

Post #18 » by **milesfides** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 9:00 pm

Nelson is a baller, and I have no idea how ready he is, but if the Magic could choose an opposing point guard to ease Nelson back into action, it would be against Derek Fisher.

I'm going to be honest, if Nelson is out there able to scrimmage, I think he's going to be effective. He's that good, imo.

DEEP3CL · Post #19 » by **DEEP3CL** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 9:26 pm

BBallFan72 wrote:What is the Lakers thoughts on Jameer playing with the second unit for 15-20 minutes a game. Can Farmar step it up?

I could care less weather he plays or not, I know ball and I'll tell you flat out you can't take 4 months off then expect to comeback and dominate or even remotely being close to playing well. It's not going to matter, Ariza did the same thing last playoffs and he was no factor at all. Don't get me wrong I can see how the guy wants to play in the Finals, hell who wouldn't you dream of it from day one.

MAMBAEMD · Post #20 » by **MAMBAEMD** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 9:29 pm

milesfides wrote:Nelson is a baller, and I have no idea how ready he is, but if the Magic could choose an opposing point guard to ease Nelson back into action, it would be against Derek Fisher.

I'm going to be honest, if Nelson is out there able to scrimmage, I think he's going to be effective. He's that good, imo.

I completely agree.
Before getting injured, Nelson had really improved his game. This was his best year as a pro. He was hitting the outside shot, penetrating to the basket, moving the ball around, and playing fairly good D.
If he is healthy enough to play, he will contribute. He is a stud.
Let's face it, as much as we all love DFish as a leader, he is not playing very well. We will probably see more of Farmar and Brown in this series no matter who the Magic send out there.