Combine Measurements

[bigballa3jj]

Full measurements are up at DX:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... os=&sort=9

My boy Harden has a 37 inch vertical! I always knew he will be tested that high.

And Flynn with a crazy 40 inch vertical to lead the class!

that is the running vertical though, not a no-step vert

[KF10]

that is the running vertical though, not a no-step vert

haha true but 37 inch is still 37 inch.

[SacKingZZZ]

Oh yeah, Harden just shut up a lot of the naysayers. He has the same max vert reach as Blake Griffin! Hahaha. Not too bad.

And Damion James almost hit the 12' mark on his max vert reach! WOW! Glad they are listing that now.

Austin Daye showed up bad on the agility drill. Doesn't shock me and is the sole reason why I don't think he can play SF.

[pillwenney]

To be fair, combine measurements for athleticism are historically misleading, but I would like to go on record as somebody else that basically hates Daye as a prospect.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Daye has really no standout talent except for blocking. I don't get what scouts see in him at ALL.

[SacKingZZZ]

To be fair, combine measurements for athleticism are historically misleading, but I would like to go on record as somebody else that basically hates Daye as a prospect.

I personally really like Daye as a prospect. He could be a nightmare at PF, which is the position he'll simply have to play.

[KF10]

I'm uncertain of Daye. I like his potential, especially his length and skill but good lord if you weigh less than several PGs in the draft, somethings wrong. haha

Also, he tested BADLY on each workout (sprint, agility, reps, vert and etc)

But to be fair, I'm pretty sure his injury was hindering him though. iirc he torn his ACL or something. Probably that is lingering him. I hope that is the case.

At times I like Daye but sometimes I want the Kings to stay away from him haha

[10B10]

Ahh I hope we stay sooo far away from Daye! He has all the skill in the world which is why he looks good in workouts and whatnot, but he really just doesn't have the mindset to play the NBA game. Heck, he didn't even have the mindset to play the NCAA game in the WCC, of all conferences.

He was probably the most talented player in the entire conference last year and he truly should have been dominating. Instead, he settled for jump shots and relied way too much on his shot blocking. He is also wickedly SLOW and that certainly came out in the combine. And, he partially tore his ACL almost an entire year ago. Honestly, that shouldn't still be ailing him. He needs that killer instinct to really utilize his skills, but I'm honestly not sure he has it in him.

[pillwenney]

I personally really like Daye as a prospect. He could be a nightmare for his own team defensively at PF, which is the position he'll simply have to play.

Fixed.

Seriously, any mismatches he creates will be immediately off set by the fact that any PF with any post skills will be able to simply destroy him down low. There are tons of tweeners that can create nice mismatches against PF's. Most can at least pass for being a PF though. Daye can't. I'll take the guy that's getting easy shots in the post over the guy that's shooting jumpers 10 times out of 10.

[SacKingZZZ]

Fixed.

Seriously, any mismatches he creates will be immediately off set by the fact that any PF with any post skills will be able to simply destroy him down low. There are tons of tweeners that can create nice mismatches against PF's. Most can at least pass for being a PF though. Daye can't. I'll take the guy that's getting easy shots in the post over the guy that's shooting jumpers 10 times out of 10.

I don't know, the guy is and will remain a legit shotblocker. The one thing that gives me hope as a post defender is his willingness to bang and front the post. He is actually quite OK with contact, and with his length, when he fronts the post that pass isn't getting over the top of him without a great degree of arch. He also has some serious potential as a driver. He reminds me of Lamar Odom when he is at the triple threat position, difference is he's a greater threat to hit that shot.

[pillwenney]

But he won't be able to fight for position to consistently succeed at fronting. He can easily be sealed, and then at that point very easily backed down. This makes all of the offensive advantages irrelevant. You could create lots of mismatches if you played guys way out of position. That's the problem with Daye--no matter where he is, he'll be out of position.

It's not that he doesn't have some potential in certain respects, but never as a starter, and his well-documented attitude problems certainly don't help him very much. Also, just for the record, here is Odom as a rookie.



Thin, but not nearly as thin as Daye.

[10B10]

Yeah, believe me, Daye simply doesn't have what it takes to succeed in the league. People claim that he can drive and get to the rim but I certainly haven't seen it watching him over the last two years. He literally cannot put the ball on the floor and when he tries, he either loses the ball or throws up a completely ridiculous shot. I guess that could improve, but that takes away from his ability to play the SF position at a starter's level in the NBA.

Therefore, he is s PF yet he also has absolutely no post game at this point and is honestly, a really bad defender. Sure, he gets some blocked shots but, like I have said, he relies on that "skill" way too much. And he deals OK with contact, but isn't consistent. I've watched games where his check down low seemed to get to the rim at will. Seriously, there will be better long-term options at #23 IMO.

[SacKingZZZ]

But he won't be able to fight for position to consistently succeed at fronting. He can easily be sealed, and then at that point very easily backed down. This makes all of the offensive advantages irrelevant. You could create lots of mismatches if you played guys way out of position. That's the problem with Daye--no matter where he is, he'll be out of position.

It's not that he doesn't have some potential in certain respects, but never as a starter, and his well-documented attitude problems certainly don't help him very much. Also, just for the record, here is Odom as a rookie.



Thin, but not nearly as thin as Daye.

How often did you see it happen in college? Sure it's possible but I saw him make it tough on quite a few way stronger post players. I don't think it's impossible for him to add some strength and some pounds either. Still, one of our biggest weaknesses is that we don't have anyone to help weakside, he can do that quite effectively.

[pillwenney]

How often did you see it happen in college? Sure it's possible but I saw him make it tough on quite a few way stronger post players. I don't think it's impossible for him to add some strength and some pounds either. Still, one of our biggest weaknesses is that we don't have anyone to help weakside, he can do that quite effectively.

How often did Adam Morrison look like a nobody in college? The NBA is a different animal.

And sure, he'll definitely add some strength. But "some" won't be nearly enough. Chris Bosh was seen as being too skinny as a rookie, and even now still really struggles defensively because of his body. As a rookie he was 33 lbs heavier than Daye. Daye can add some weight, but he tops out at what? 215, maybe?

I'll take Donte to do what Daye could do. His reach is shorter, but he makes up for that with better athleticism, he's much stronger, and he doesn't have an attitude problem. Not to mention that his presence just would make Daye repetitive.