Childress said He Will Stay In Greece

KWSN-Men · Post #1 » by **KWSN-Men** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 6:59 am

I just thought I would let you guys know since there was a lot of reports lately that he was coming back to the Hawks. After the season ended in Greece Childress gave a press conference and said that he will not return to the NBA.

Of course it might change you never know, but that is what he said.

evildallas · Post #2 » by **evildallas** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 10:20 am

Thanks for the update. I for one am pleased at this report, but I think I might be in the minority on the subject.

raleigh · Post #3 » by **raleigh** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 12:20 pm

evildallas wrote:Thanks for the update. I for one am pleased at this report, but I think I might be in the minority on the subject.

I personally think he owes it to Olympiakos to stay.

killbuckner · Post #4 » by **killbuckner** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 12:39 pm

Olympiakos I think would greatly prefer he come back to the NBA for what they are paying him.

td00 · Post #5 » by **td00** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 1:22 pm

What kind of contribution/numbers is he putting up in Greece?

Hearing that he will stay there for another year, does this free him up from any obigations with contract talks with the ASG? Does this free up addtional cap space?

I am indifferent in that he probably could have helped us some last year, but for what the cost would be, would he be that valuable to this team?

lunarblues · Post #6 » by **lunarblues** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 2:14 pm

this doesn't change anything in reguards to his rights. we will have to give him the qualifying offer again and he will count on our cap. we can't trade him for anything either. it effectively puts his out of our offseason to-do list.

JoshB914 · Post #7 » by **JoshB914** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 3:45 pm

Was reading some of the posts regarding this on the gen. board becaue I know so little about the game in Europe, it sounds like his game was not very well suited to play over there.

I hope this was an adjustment season for Chill and he can come back next season and earn the $$$ Olympiacos are giving him.

lunarblues · Post #8 » by **lunarblues** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 3:50 pm

well it's not like he certainly sucked this year. the team was no. 2 in the league on all three tounaments. they just have to beat one team. and that panathiankos. chill will prob get it done next year.

he was also injured for a large part of the season.

Post #9 » by **HMFFL** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 3:58 pm

Due to the amount of money he's being paid I didn't expect him to come back, but I am happy he's staying overseas.

evildallas · Post #10 » by **evildallas** » Tue Jun 2, 2009 4:04 pm

I don't share the faith in him to live up to very big expectations that come along with be paid more than anyone else in Europe. While he has an athleticism advantage that should help him rack up a good number of rebounds and layups, the flaws in his game offensively are such that will likely prevent him from the kind of impact you expect from a #1 player (which is how he's paid). He's their #3 player (at best) offensively and I don't see that changing. The biggest limitation is his slow release on his outside jumper. That is an exploitable deficiency by opposing defenses in that Childress needs more room to get his shot of clean. As such you can play off him an recover if he's on the outside. If he's on the inside, he's a dangerous offensive rebounder (athleticism), but not a real threat to post up and make a defender pay as a go to guy. He couldn't even do that effectively in Atlanta when he was matched up with smaller guards. He's a smart enough player to not try to do what he has no hope of doing, but he just doesn't have enough advantages in his game to produce to those expectations. The injury didn't change his shortcomings, it just limited the other ways he could make up for them.

KWSN-Men · Post #11 » by **KWSN-Men** » Wed Jun 3, 2009 8:59 pm

td00 wrote:What kind of contribution/numbers is he putting up in Greece?

Hearing that he will stay there for another year, does this free him up from any obigations with contract talks with the ASG? Does this free up addtional cap space?

I am indifferent in that he probably could have helped us some last year, but for what the cost would be, would he be that valuable to this team?

He had a horrible year for us. He is without any doubt the biggest bust in Euroleague history and the most overpaid player ever in Europe. But nonetheless, it seems he is staying. However, there are also reports in Greece that he said the Hawks already told him they will offer him a contract as soon as they can under NBA league rules. But Josh is saying he will stay with Olympiacos.

There is one more thing though to consider. The coach might get fired and the owners have said if they get a new coach that all the players including Josh would be reviewed by the new coach if they do make a coaching change.

KWSN-Men · Post #12 » by **KWSN-Men** » Wed Jun 3, 2009 9:05 pm

JoshB914 wrote:Was reading some of the posts regarding this on the gen. board becaue I know so little about the game in Europe, it sounds like his game was not very well suited to play over there.

I hope this was an adjustment season for Chill and he can come back next season and earn the $$$ Olympiacos are giving him.

It's impossible. That thread is just NBA only fans making excuses for him. His level in big Euroleague clubs is one of a very good role player just like it was with the Hawks. He could never earn his contract. He's a good role player on Olympiacos while you could probably sign the 3 best players in Europe for what he makes alone.

KWSN-Men · Post #13 » by **KWSN-Men** » Wed Jun 3, 2009 9:07 pm

lunarblues wrote:well it's not like he certainly sucked this year. the team was no. 2 in the league on all three tounaments. they just have to beat one team. and that panathiankos. chill will prob get it done next year.

he was also injured for a large part of the season.

Not true. They were 4th in Euroleague. He was not injured all season. He only played hurt in 3 games all year. All other games he was healthy. He did in fact suck. He had a horrible year. He was somewhere in the 6th to 8th best player on our team this year.

Just to give you an idea playing 100 percent healthy in the Greek finals he shot 37% from the field in the series and 1-10 in the close out game. NBA only fans are making huge excuses for him. But that's all it is, excuses and lies to be honest with you. He's widely considered the biggest bust of all time in European basketball by Europeans.

theatlfan · Post #14 » by **theatlfan** » Wed Jun 3, 2009 9:19 pm

KWSN-Men wrote:He's widely considered the biggest bust of all time in European basketball by Europeans.

D@mn that sux - I was rooting for him...

rak1974 · Post #15 » by **rak1974** » Wed Jun 3, 2009 9:24 pm

I could care less about Chill.... he is not a hawk at the moment!!!!

JoshB914 · Post #16 » by **JoshB914** » Thu Jun 4, 2009 6:23 am

KWSN-Men wrote:
JoshB914 wrote:Was reading some of the posts regarding this on the gen. board becaue I know so little about the game in Europe, it sounds like his game was not very well suited to play over there.

I hope this was an adjustment season for Chill and he can come back next season and earn the $$$ Olympiacos are giving him.

It's impossible. That thread is just NBA only fans making excuses for him. His level in big Euroleague clubs is one of a very good role player just like it was with the Hawks. He could never earn his contract. He's a good role player on Olympiacos while you could probably sign the 3 best players in Europe for what he makes alone.

That's true. I can't stand some people who just won't accept that there is quality basketball being played anywhere else. I don't watch much euro ball but it's very clear that the game over there is quite good. I was trying to focus on the posts from people who actually appeared to know what they're talking about (this includes your posts) in that thread as well as most regarding european teams.

From the sound of things, Chill is nothing more than a role player in Euro ball as well like you said. I was simply saying as a fan of the guy I hope he turns it around, although that does seem extremely unlikely.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #17 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Thu Jun 4, 2009 7:32 am

It's not surprising to see that Chil was a poor fit for the style of basketball played over there. He's a pretty poor passer and outside shooter. Did Olympiacos ever approach guys like Ben Gordon or Salim who seem like they'd be more effective playing European basketball?

D21 · Post #18 » by **D21** » Thu Jun 4, 2009 7:58 am

It's all about the problem of how you see things. Some people will say that since J.C. Navarro is the MVP of Euroleague, it's a bad league, but IMO, what they don't think is that Navarro is playing as a main option (in a very good team, so he's not alone taking all the shots) while he was not the main option in MEM. If he had been the first option in MEM, he would have put some more impressive numbers, and everybody would have said he's definitely a NBA player.

Childress is also starting in a very good team, so he has to stay in his role. Sure he would have better numbers in a Euroleague team with less money, where he would be by far the first option. In this case, and if this team was becoming a Euroleague elite team, his salary would have been more justified.
IMO, he's a special case, the first "gamble" of a Euroleague team overpaying a NBA player who was playing more than 30 minutes, a player who had not changed team every year, a kind of "definitely NBA player" in the eyes of lots of people.

But Olympiakos is overpaying him, that's a reality, even if I think they knew they will be overpaying him, knowing a bit of his limits.

Now, I agree with part of what Evildallas said, and that he's maybe not the best fit in ATL, but I just hope that it will be possible to improve the team this summer without using cap room (sign and trades of our free agents if needed), in order to keep his rights and wait until next year to see if he could be back here (if the roster is different, he can fit better than now) or if we try a sign and trade.
Childress will not make this kind of money in Europe after this contract, and the offers would certainly be more like a $7M NBA contract (he's now making something like a $12M or $13M/yr), so after two years in Greece and Euroleague, he will be more OK to be back if he can get a 5 years guaranteed contract for 6-7M/yr.
And it's certainly a better option for ATL, because trying to do lots of sign and trades (if they try for Marvin, Zaza and/or Bibby) this summer would be hard, at least harder than if they don't have to try with Childress too.