Detroit deal?

[Smills91]

Detroit, Oklahoma City Talking Trade?

With the Detroit Pistons looking to get as far under the salary cap as they can this summer, and the Oklahoma City Thunder being one of the few teams who are able to help them shed salary, the two teams have emerged as natural trade partners, multiple NBA sources told DraftExpress this past weekend.

With very few teams projected to have cap space this summer (Oklahoma City, Memphis, Portland, Sacramento and Atlanta being the main ones), it appears that Detroit could be in great position to take advantage of the strength of this free agent class and nab a couple of pieces that would put them right back in the mix to compete for the Eastern conference finals. Detroit is currently slated to be around 20 million dollars underneath the cap, but could shed another five million or so by unloading the contracts of Amir Johnson and their first round pick (#15).

Enter the Oklahoma City Thunder. They are reportedly high on B.J. Mullens (as is Milwaukee), and likely would be able to nab him with the 15th pick. Considering how far under the cap they’ll be this summer, they would have no problem taking on Amir Johnson’s expiring 3.66 million dollar contract. They should be able to find a suitor for their late first round pick if they choose to do so, as teams like San Antonio, Houston, Toronto and Orlando are all in the market for a draft choice in that range.

With the money Detroit frees up, they could go after their top two free agent targets, rumored to be Paul Millsap and Ben Gordon.

Why not the Kings? We could have Detroit select for us @ #15 and take back Amir who would help with out frontcort depth.

If we did this we could potentially land Clarke or Maynor at #15 IMO.

C: Hawes, Diogu, Gani Lawal(#23)
PF: Thompson, Amir, Thomas
SF: Clarke(#15), Nocioni, Greene
SG: Martin, Garcia
PG: Rubio(#4), Beno, Mills(#31)

That's a well put together roster right there.

[perezident]

I dont get the article smills....

So Detriot, would be willing and able to part ways with the #15 AND Amir Johson just for cap relief?? so basically they're trading them for nothing in return but cap space??

I read a couple articles out of Detriot that they wanted multiple draft picks in the Draft this year??

But if all they want is cap space and nothing in return a la the Denver Clippers Camby trade, then how did OKC arise to being the top suitor??

And i REALLY dnt think Clarke falls to #15 thats unheard of...maybe Johnson or that Blair..but not Clarke

[ICMTM]

No!

We have pieces. We need a flat out STUD! I'd rather take a chance on a high risk/high reward player than a bunch of pieces. I know Clark is that guy for you, but I have a thing that PG's and PF/C's need to be the stars on the team.

[Inc]

What studs are you going to get with the cap space we have and the free agents this summer?
If all they want is some cap room and maybe our 2nd rounder, then im all for it

[VeeJay24]

Yeah, but I wouldn't mind getting that #15 pick to put the Kings in position to get a James Johnson

I think that is a need position for the Kings also and being able to nab either Rubio, Jennings, Curry or whichever PG they like and get Johnson would be a helluva draft.

If the Pistons are interested #23, and a player for #15 I would do it in a heartbeat.

[deNIEd]

What about #31 + future protected 1st for #15?

High protection on the 1st, so essentially #31 for #15.
Detriot still gets a prospect, but at 1/4 the cost almost.
Or depending if they care about Kwame or not
Kwame + #15 for TPE.

We don't have enough cap space this summer to sign anyone of importance anyways.

[dozencousins]

Giving a future 1st round pick for the 15th this year would be stupid IMO
I could see us giving our 23rd and 31st for the 15th though

IMO we do 1 of 3 things

1. trade up to the #2 pick without dealing HAWES OR THONMPSON
2. We dont trade at all hope to get RUBIO if not take the best player available
3. WE trade either the 23rd ,31st pick or both for future # 1 picks next year as next years draft class should be better than this years class !

[Nicky Nix Nook]

LOL at the Piston's fans perception of Amir's trade value at the beginning of the season as opposed to now.

[pillwenney]

No!

We have pieces. We need a flat out STUD! I'd rather take a chance on a high risk/high reward player than a bunch of pieces. I know Clark is that guy for you, but I have a thing that PG's and PF/C's need to be the stars on the team.

How would this deal realistically hurt those chances? If anything it would give us some more immediate value.

If something like this could be done, I would be all for it. But I don't see how Clark is available at 15. I know draftexpress has him at like 19 or something right now, but I just don't get how that makes any sense--especially after how he measured out. Picking Daye over Clark would be like picking Jason Kapono over a prime Peja.

[Smills91]

No!

We have pieces. We need a flat out STUD! I'd rather take a chance on a high risk/high reward player than a bunch of pieces. I know Clark is that guy for you, but I have a thing that PG's and PF/C's need to be the stars on the team.

How would this deal realistically hurt those chances? If anything it would give us some more immediate value.

If something like this could be done, I would be all for it. But I don't see how Clark is available at 15. I know draftexpress has him at like 19 or something right now, but I just don't get how that makes any sense--especially after how he measured out. Picking Daye over Clark would be like picking Jason Kapono over a prime Peja.

Exactly, and Clarke might not be there at 15, but he MIGHT. If he falls that far there are some DUMB GM's. I think Clarke has as much star potential as anyone outside of Griffin in this draft. Worst case scenario, we nab Maynor who IMO will be a stead PG for years to come a la Andre Miller.

[VeeJay24]

No!

We have pieces. We need a flat out STUD! I'd rather take a chance on a high risk/high reward player than a bunch of pieces. I know Clark is that guy for you, but I have a thing that PG's and PF/C's need to be the stars on the team.

How would this deal realistically hurt those chances? If anything it would give us some more immediate value.

If something like this could be done, I would be all for it. But I don't see how Clark is available at 15. I know draftexpress has him at like 19 or something right now, but I just don't get how that makes any sense--especially after how he measured out. Picking Daye over Clark would be like picking Jason Kapono over a prime Peja.

Exactly, and Clarke might not be there at 15, but he MIGHT. If he falls that far there are some DUMB GM's. I think Clarke has as much star potential as anyone outside of Griffin in this draft. Worst case scenario, we nab Maynor who IMO will be a stead PG for years to come a la Andre Miller.

Wouldn't have believed if I saw it but we agree on something, I love Maynor and wouldn't be opposed to dropping down and getting him.

How do you like Maynor and James Johnson?

[SacKingZZZ]

To be honest I think keeping the cap space is a better idea than taking on Amir who didn't look good at all this year.

[deNIEd]

To be honest I think keeping the cap space is a better idea than taking on Amir who didn't look good at all this year.

Amir is an expiring.

Who do you realistcally think we can sign that will make any form of a difference?

Again, we can only sign slightly above MLE players. And if we sign ANYONE we can say bye bye max cap space for 2010.

[10B10]

I would be all for this. We take on Amir for a year and pick up a free mid-first rounder - what is there to not like about it? That said, I have a feeling that the Kings would probably never do it.

[SacKingZZZ]

Amir is an expiring.

Who do you realistcally think we can sign that will make any form of a difference?

Again, we can only sign slightly above MLE players. And if we sign ANYONE we can say bye bye max cap space for 2010.

Rather keep our options open of maybe going after a guy like Boozer, Marion, Millsap, or Odom via sign and trade and being able to offer a nice package with instant cap relief. I think that could be a huge asset come free agency period. Might even be able to snag a non-FA if a team is looking to dump salary to get in on the action.

If they are still going for 2010 space their stupid. There is waaay too much competition from big market teams, and while the top 4-5 potential FA's are nicer than nice, there's still only 4-5 of them. Our only hope would be to land one of the those impending free agents via trade this year because their current team is spooked they'll leave for nothing.

[Smills91]

Amir is an expiring.

Who do you realistcally think we can sign that will make any form of a difference?

Again, we can only sign slightly above MLE players. And if we sign ANYONE we can say bye bye max cap space for 2010.

Rather keep our options open of maybe going after a guy like Boozer, Marion, Millsap, or Odom via sign and trade and being able to offer a nice package with instant cap relief. I think that could be a huge asset come free agency period. Might even be able to snag a non-FA if a team is looking to dump salary to get in on the action.

If they are still going for 2010 space their stupid. There is waaay too much competition from big market teams, and while the top 4-5 potential FA's are nicer than nice, there's still only 4-5 of them. Our only hope would be to land one of the those impending free agents via trade this year because their current team is spooked they'll leave for nothing.

At 7-8 million in cap space our MAX offer is 5 years 45-55 million total. That isn't landing ANY of those guys.

[pillwenney]

It could very easily land Odom or Marion. Problem is that Odom is "meh", and Marion is so clearly past his prime and I can't understand why anybody would want him--particularly with his clearly inflated ego.

[SacKingZZZ]

At 7-8 million in cap space our MAX offer is 5 years 45-55 million total. That isn't landing ANY of those guys.

Like I said in my post our best option is via SIGN AND TRADE with the capspace being a major advantage in a deal. A team like Utah won't want to lose Boozer for nothing. We could easily offer a deal where they get depth at a position of need, future picks, and/or expiring contracts which would make losing a player of that level easier to swallow. Also gives us that extra power over another team trying to sign him outright by adding that 6th year player option.

If we don't land a targeted free agent that space could then be used at or before the deadline in a straight trade offering the dumping team immediate cap and/or tax relief. At least 1 of the impending "big name" FA's will be available at the deadline. Rather keep the space.

[Smills91]

Eh, I'm kinda againt a MAJOR FA signing. I just don't think there's a great fit for us anywhere.

[deNIEd]

At 7-8 million in cap space our MAX offer is 5 years 45-55 million total. That isn't landing ANY of those guys.

Like I said in my post our best option is via SIGN AND TRADE with the capspace being a major advantage in a deal. A team like Utah won't want to lose Boozer for nothing. We could easily offer a deal where they get depth at a position of need, future picks, and/or expiring contracts which would make losing a player of that level easier to swallow. Also gives us that extra power over another team trying to sign him outright by adding that 6th year player option.

If we don't land a targeted free agent that space could then be used at or before the deadline in a straight trade offering the dumping team immediate cap and/or tax relief. At least 1 of the impending "big name" FA's will be available at the deadline. Rather keep the space.

Wrongo.

There are no good free agents for this team at all this year. This team needs a FA around 27 maybe 28 or younger. Mainly because by the time #4, Hawes, Thompson are able to contribute to a championship team, our FA would be too old already. Boozer is the only possible candidate and he is no where near worth the money it will take to obtain him.

Cap Space Trade - Pointless. The "big names" that might demand a trade this year, are all players that will be FA's this summer. That being the case, if we do trade for them, we will only have them for half a year. Our team is no where near the level it will take to keep a Max FA in Sac. We would have to prove that we are the best option for that FA and he would have his best chance at winning a title. We can't do that.