Just say "No" to Paul Millsap

[dr0welf]

I agree a long term deal is not good for the team. I think you do a 3 year with a team option on the third. If you have to go longer do a 4 year with a team option on the last 2.

Millsap is only 1" shorter then Boozer, so Height really is not an issue comparing the 2. I tried to find reach to compare the two, but I can't find a good sight that lists it. If you have one post for me please. They are both undersized and I would take a Chris Bosh type player over either of them. And Millsap is not a defensive threat, but he looks like it compared to Carlos Boozer. Heck fans waving signs are better defenders then Boozer. I feel either of them are 8Mil at the most players.

[babyjax13]

You can only do 1 team option in a contract so that would not work. I think at 6 million Millsap is worth the money, but past that we are over paying for an extremely good bench player. If we could have him come off the books the same year as AK that would be huge for this team.

[Soul Patch]

Couldn't we do a frontloaded contract?

[Da110n0rcutt]

Keep in mind when Millsap is on the floor playing against the opposing team's bench forward...that is when Boozer is healthy, so Millsap's stats are going to look just as good as Boozer's...because if we are honest with ourselves we know Boozer would own anyone's back up forwards. So when Boozer plays he is being guarded by the opposing teams best defensive big, but when Millsap played last season when Boozer was hurt I am not sure if that was the case I think they had their better defensive big on Memo...just something to take in consideration when you talk about numbers on who is guarding each player.

Believe me I would be the first in line to say that we need to get rid of Boozer but we would miss his offensive production dearly. Millsap at 6'7" (Kobe) as our starting 4, we would get killed. Millsap would have a hard time putting up shots.

Another thing to point out is when we all get excited about Ben Handgloten or Andrei Kirilenko version 2004...ask yourself this question who did we have at 2 guard Raja Bell a premiere defensive guard or the year we went to WCF, and I know Derek Fisher is only 6'1" and I have been ripping Millsap for being short but Fisher was a defensive guard and was well experienced. (Of course I disliked the way Fisher left town...smells kind of Fishy). What I am pointing out is Boozer and Memo would look alot better if we could have wings that can actually keep in front of their man and don'tj ust let them blow by them into the paint.

[d-will8]

Keep in mind when Millsap is on the floor playing against the opposing team's bench forward...that is when Boozer is healthy, so Millsap's stats are going to look just as good as Boozer's...because if we are honest with ourselves we know Boozer would own anyone's back up forwards. So when Boozer plays he is being guarded by the opposing teams best defensive big, but when Millsap played last season when Boozer was hurt I am not sure if that was the case I think they had their better defensive big on Memo...just something to take in consideration when you talk about numbers on who is guarding each player.

Believe me I would be the first in line to say that we need to get rid of Boozer but we would miss his offensive production dearly. Millsap at 6'7" (Kobe) as our starting 4, we would get killed. Millsap would have a hard time putting up shots.

Another thing to point out is when we all get excited about Ben Handgloten or Andrei Kirilenko version 2004...ask yourself this question who did we have at 2 guard Raja Bell a premiere defensive guard or the year we went to WCF, and I know Derek Fisher is only 6'1" and I have been ripping Millsap for being short but Fisher was a defensive guard and was well experienced. (Of course I disliked the way Fisher left town...smells kind of Fishy). What I am pointing out is Boozer and Memo would look alot better if we could have wings that can actually keep in front of their man and don'tj ust let them blow by them into the paint.

You make some pretty good points, but I disagree with that last part. Our interior defense is much more of a problem than our perimeter defense. Even in the game where Kobe went off, Brewer did a pretty good job keeping him out of the paint. Kobe was just being Kobe and hitting absurdly difficult contested jump shots. On the other hand, Gasol, Bynum and Odom were scoring at will in the paint and not on difficult shots, but easy ones and when somebody did get by their defender on the perimeter, there was no help. The Celtics didn't win the title because Paul Pierce and James Posey never let Kobe get by them. Those two certainly played great defense, but their bigs helped when necessary, made Gasol and Odom look like a couple of creampuffs and dominated the boards. I think Brewer and AK would look pretty damn good with Garnett and Perkins backing them up. Also, Raja and Fisher both got torched regularly when they were here, much more than Brewer.
Even though I like Millsap a lot more than Boozer, I realize that Boozer is just on a different level as a player and, consequently, am not totally against bringing him back instead of Millsap (for the right price). However, we are not going to win a championship with a starting frontcourt of Boozer and Okur (or Millsap and Okur, for that matter). We need more length, athleticism and defense up front if we want to be anything more than playoff fodder for the Lakers and Blazers in the future.

[jazzfan1971]

Did I miss all the games this year where Koufos played well enough to deserve all the praise he gets? I'm not saying he can't be a good player, I just don't understand all the hype from Jazz fans.

i agree. i would much rather see Fez on the court than Koufos

Man, I couldn't disagree more. Koufos looks like a stud compared to Fez. Fez never looks like he has a feel for the game. Koufos looks real comfortable out there. I like Koufos' ability to shoot, rebound, and block shots. I think he's going to have an important role with the Jazz this year barring injury. I doubt we'll see Fez.

[Soul Patch]

Fes has the potential to be the banger we need. Koufos is ok but he's not a great rebounder and his man defense is pretty bad. His help D does help his cause though. I think Fes brings it all together this off season and really helps us against the taller PF's and C's next year.

[idajazz]

Did I miss all the games this year where Koufos played well enough to deserve all the praise he gets? I'm not saying he can't be a good player, I just don't understand all the hype from Jazz fans.

i agree. i would much rather see Fez on the court than Koufos

Man, I couldn't disagree more. Koufos looks like a stud compared to Fez. Fez never looks like he has a feel for the game. Koufos looks real comfortable out there. I like Koufos' ability to shoot, rebound, and block shots. I think he's going to have an important role with the Jazz this year barring injury. I doubt we'll see Fez.

Same here, I was starting to think that folks had the two mixed up.
I don't give a rats patootie what happens with Boozer. I hope some other team swoops in and offers him a contract and he leaves.
Millsap is a different story, I like is attitude, hustle, grit, toughness, and that all adds up to good team chemistry,
Good team chemistry is the single most important part of a great team. The chemistry just isn't there with Boozer.

[kebutah]

Just read at Hoopshype that Detroit is thinking about Milsap in the $8.9M per year range. If that is true it severely will limit where Boozer can go without the Jazz' help. His agent has said that he has had no discussions with KOC about S&T.

[tdownwa]

I agree with the original poster... "NO" to Sap unless its a 4-5million a year deal. 4-5 years $20mil sounds about right. If OKC wants to pay him $6-8mil a year then let them. Its not a safe move for the Jazz. I love Sap but we dont need to sacrifice future moves because we over paid ala CJ Miles, Harpring, or AK.

[carrottop12]

8 million is just right at that level where it is a gamble to sign him or let him go.

The fact is he has gotten better every year we have had him, he did have that ridiculous string of double doubles earlier in the year, and he has shown he can play legit starters minutes in the NBA.

The problem is he does disappear, he did get tired at the end of the season because of those minutes, he isn't blessed naturally with the size that top 10 PF's in the league have, and he isn't a proven guy that you can go to on the offensive end.

A 3 year 24 million dollar deal with team options would be worth offering in my opinion, that way if he works out, he has a chance to get more money in 3 years, and if he doesn't, the Jazz can trade him as a short expiring contract with out being in an AK-47 like situation.

[tdownwa]

8 million a year is what Memo has basically been making. Do you value Sap as much as Memo? Beside 8million a year pretty much guarantees we cant afford to bring back Booz, Memo, and Korver without going well over the cap.

IMHO 8 million a year for Sap = Boozer no longer in a Jazz uni.

[loserX]

I miss that Suns troll who used to like coming on here and telling us that Paul Millsap's ceiling was Malik Rose.

[Greek]

What you dont understand from Koufos and i said it many times on this forum is that his biggest strength is his scoring ability. From 1 side you have a very guy that is immature and he is on the league for 3 years yet he didnt produce anything. From the other side you have a long agile kid who is hard worker, young and a good head on his shoulders. How can you ever compare Kosta with Fes? Not every 7 footer must be DH in the NBA. For now Koufos is the best bet of the team for the future.

[@ndrew]

I agree. It's not like Fess and Kosta are blackholes. They deserve some minutes too.