Challenge your offseason

[john2jer]

Any further trades involving Hinrich, Deng, Noah, Dalembert, or any other overpaid stiff that screws our future, the poster immediately gets removed from my Christmas card list. I'm serious.

I will hunt you down and give you a stern look that will make you rethink your actions.

[skorff26]

Any further trades involving Hinrich, Deng, Noah, Dalembert, or any other overpaid stiff that screws our future, the poster immediately gets removed from my Christmas card list. I'm serious.

I will hunt you down and give you a stern look that will make you rethink your actions.

Noah isn't overpaid money wise so he wouldn't affect our future; but I guess we would have to overpay value wise to get him.

But can you add crawford and maggette as well to your list since I think a few weeks back I saw a trade with Minnesota picking them up and they would be even a worse option than anyone else listed.

I'd also be tempted to put Kaman on the list as well.

I'm a little worried that people might start talking about Chandler as well, but I think that we could maybe get Chandler, #21 for Cards, Madsen, B. Brown; and that's a trade that I'm not entirely against.

[john2jer]

We can definitely add Kaman, Maggette, Crawford, and Chandler to the list. I'm souring on Chandler. For a guy who's main attribute is athleticism, he doesn't block many shots. He also needs a point guard to set him up, which we don't have yet. Hopefully the draft brings one, though.

Noah would take too much to get, and I don't think he's worth the price.

[the_bruce]

I'm pro crawford in any deal that ships out foye. Paying crawford vs a caphold foye or extended foye is very similar money. crawford is a bit more probably 3-4m than what foye may get, but MN probably also gets some incentive for taking him. Crawford is also a better player on both ends & can defend 3 positions. for those counting that's 3 more than foye.

[skorff26]

I'm pro crawford in any deal that ships out foye. Paying crawford vs a caphold foye or extended foye is very similar money. crawford is a bit more probably 3-4m than what foye may get, but MN probably also gets some incentive for taking him. Crawford is also a better player on both ends & can defend 3 positions. for those counting that's 3 more than foye.

Why would we want Crawford, he is overpaid and not worth it. If we wanted to dump Foye then we could ship him out to Toronto for the #9 pick and expirings or something along that line which would be a lot better for us.

[JMillott]

Crawford makes Foye look like a quality defender and Foye is the more efficent offensive player to boot.

[the_bruce]

Why would we want Crawford, he is overpaid and not worth it. If we wanted to dump Foye then we could ship him out to Toronto for the #9 pick and expirings or something along that line which would be a lot better for us.

Notice how I said "in any deal that ships foye out", not straight up....

Crawford makes Foye look like a quality defender and Foye is the more efficent offensive player to boot.

a) You are on crack
b) here are facts

Defense:
At best foye can defend 2's equally to crawford, and thats a huge stretch. I encourage you to go look at 82games.com counterpart PER for both players, not a great measure but it gives some idication. You can go back several years and I'm certain Craw crushes foye in this respect since he can actually defend non-combo guards.

Offense:
Crawford is statistically more efficient than Foye. They shoot a similar % from 2 & 3, but Craw can get to the charity stripe a bit more readily and finishes better plus he gets blocked less. Go check basketball ref and you will see craw clearly has the edge in usage, ppfga, TS%, %EFG, & eff. Who's had more 50 point games? Who's hit more game winning shots?

The question isn't whether Crawford is a better player than Foye and both ends of the court(because he is at this point), the question is can MN make up the 3-4m extra in 2010 to overcome the loss of Foye and the difference inbetween foye's extention(6m?) and crawfords $$$(10m). If you figure a 3 team trade where MN sends out foye and each of the other 2 teams send mn 2m in value in return its pretty easy to see MN could make up the difference withe ease.

[Tekkenlaw]

#28, Brian Cardinal to the Grizzlies for Darko Milicic

Draft Tyreke Evans, Ty Lawson, Taj Gibson, Vladimir Dasic

PG. Tyreke Evans/Sebastian Telfair/Ty Lawson
SG. Randy Foye/Mike Miller
SF. Ryan Gomes/Corey Brewer
PF. Kevin Love/Craig Smith/Taj Gibson
C. Al Jefferson/Darko Milicic

Let all our free agents walk, I think Madsen, Miller, Telfair, Gomes, and Smith could be shopped at the deadline based on the market and the development of the rookies and Corey Brewer, I would target expiring contracts and draft picks. I would even trade Foye if it meant getting a player like Iguodala.

[skorff26]

Why would we want Crawford, he is overpaid and not worth it. If we wanted to dump Foye then we could ship him out to Toronto for the #9 pick and expirings or something along that line which would be a lot better for us.

Notice how I said "in any deal that ships foye out", not straight up....

Crawford makes Foye look like a quality defender and Foye is the more efficent offensive player to boot.

a) You are on crack
b) here are facts

Defense:
At best foye can defend 2's equally to crawford, and thats a huge stretch. I encourage you to go look at 82games.com counterpart PER for both players, not a great measure but it gives some idication. You can go back several years and I'm certain Craw crushes foye in this respect since he can actually defend non-combo guards.

Offense:
Crawford is statistically more efficient than Foye. They shoot a similar % from 2 & 3, but Craw can get to the charity stripe a bit more readily and finishes better plus he gets blocked less. Go check basketball ref and you will see craw clearly has the edge in usage, ppfga, TS%, %EFG, & eff. Who's had more 50 point games? Who's hit more game winning shots?

The question isn't whether Crawford is a better player than Foye and both ends of the court(because he is at this point), the question is can MN make up the 3-4m extra in 2010 to overcome the loss of Foye and the difference inbetween foye's extention(6m?) and crawfords $$$(10m). If you figure a 3 team trade where MN sends out foye and each of the other 2 teams send mn 2m in value in return its pretty easy to see MN could make up the difference withe ease.

I'll say that I'm not against trading Foye because of his extension but we should not move him for Crawford's bigger contract; adding that extra salary does nothing for us and also in the long run I'd prefer Foye over Crawford anyway.
But if we were to trade Foye because of his extension, it would be smarter to get expirings plus a young player rather than Crawford.

[john2jer]

Wait, we have crack?

[Danimals]

I have two ideas. They depend on who is available at #6.

If Harden is available at #6, we take him.
Then we trade Cardinal and #28 to New York for #8, Jeffries, and $3 million cash.
We take Curry at #8.
Then we trade Telfair, Smith, Madsen, #18, and $3 million cash to Chicago for Hinrich and #16.
At #16 we take either Mullens or Clark, whichever is available.
In the second round we take the BPAs and stash them in Europe to develop.
I would look for a cheap veteran big in FA on a one year deal or possibly another small trade. Someone whose had experience winning, but would not need a lot of minutes. Someone like Elson, Oberto, Nesterovic, or Mihm.

Our depth chart is:
PG: Hinrich/Curry/Foye/Brown
SG: Miller/Harden/Foye/Brewer
SF: Brewer/Miller/Gomes/Clark (or with Mullens- SF: Brewer/Miller/Gomes
PF: Love/Jefferson/Clark/Jeffries PF: Love/Jefferson/Gomes/Jeffries
C: Jefferson/Jeffries/Love/veteran C: Jefferson/Mullens/Jeffries/Love/veteran)

If Harden is gone at #6, we take Curry.
We then look to trade back into the #9-12 region to Draft Evans, Derozan, or Henderson.
Some ideas are: Foye for #9, Cardinal for #10, Elson, and Ridnour, Foye for #11 and Williams, etc. (these are very rough ideas)
Everything else remains the same.

As the trade deadline approaches we would have Miller, Gomes, and Foye on the block. Hopefully some of our younger players would be moving into starting spots as well.

I think we would improve enough immediately so our young guys could start to learn how to win, and fans would have some fun. I think we could make the playoffs in two years. We could compete in 3-4 years if management continues to make smart decisions going forward.

[NewWolvesOrder]

1) Cardinal, Telfair, #18 pick for Hinrich

2) Gomes, #6 pick for Jeff Green

3) Smith, Madsen, utah's pick for Gortat(S&T)

Hinrich/Foye
Brewer/Miller/Foye
Green/Miller
Love/Green/Jefferson
Jefferson/Gortat

Hinrich: starting caliber pointguard, great defender, good passer, good outside shooter, will work well with Big Al. Brewer: defensive specialist, hassles and does all the little things, his size(weight) makes him more of a SG than a SF, great target for Love's outlets. Green: good size, good defense, 3pt shooting, fundamentally sound all around player, can match with perimeter oriented PFs. Love: great rebounder, should be a good midrange shooter and passer, solid defender, Jefferson: best player on the team. Foye and Miller will be much better off the bench, Gortat provides size and defense at C.

[collin_k41]

OK, I just had a dream last night about draft night 2009 but it's still kind of sketchy. Here's what I know:

1. We had the #16 pick...(i don't know how we acquired it from the bulls)
2. Jrue Holiday was available @16 and WE PASSED on him for some guy I've never heard of.
3. This sounds unrealistic but I guess my mind is just used to disappointment with this team.....

Everyone pray something like this does not happen.

[Esohny]

No Hinrich trades anymore please. According to the Brain Trust on the chicago board, we'd have to give all of our assets for him, and then pay him all-star money to be an average PG.

[Devilzsidewalk]

OK, I just had a dream last night about draft night 2009 but it's still kind of sketchy. Here's what I know:

1. We had the #16 pick...(i don't know how we acquired it from the bulls)
2. Jrue Holiday was available @16 and WE PASSED on him for some guy I've never heard of.
3. This sounds unrealistic but I guess my mind is just used to disappointment with this team.....

Everyone pray something like this does not happen.

the guy you never heard of was James Johnson and that dream was awesome and it's going to happen, book it