Brenice wrote:Answer this question. Who is the true point guard on the Lakers? Certainly not Fisher. What about San Antonio? Parker is known for what, his assists? No, for penetration and scoring. Mo Williams and Delonte West are not points either. I guess people would rather have either of Orlando's points. You can have Deron. Give me Gilbert. You can have Chauncey. Give me Gilbert. I like CP3 too. But would I have taken him over Gil before Gil got hurt? No. Now, probably! What about Bibby in Atlanta? Not over Gil. Here go a pure point for you, Steve Blake. You take him. You can also have the point guard down in Miami. Devin Harris. I like him, but just because he is good in the pick and roll don't make him a pure point guard. I would like to see Haywood and Gil on the pick and roll. Gil yes. Haywood no. I also like Rondo. He is a true point. He does everything well. Wiz could have had him. We already had a healthy Gil when Rondo was available in the draft and picked Opie. At that point, thanks but no thanks. Give me Gil. Andre Miller. Gil please. Felton Spencer. I don't think so. Derrick Rose. Of course I would take him over Gil as a pure point, but you can't have everything. Nash, Kidd, not now, not last year, not 2 years ago. Maybe 3 or 4 years ago.
Give me Gil! How soon we forget!
I personally don't want him to necessarily be a "pure point guard," in the Chris Paul or Deron Williams mode. However I would like him to shoot the ball less and average a couple more assists. I still want him to score because that is what his biggest strength is.
If Gil would put up 20-22ppg and 8asts, Id be happy. Apparently Im not the only one who thinks this, Jamison has publicly asked Arenas to do this and Arenas has publicly said he would, if nothing was wrong, why would they do this. I would like him to play more like Tony Parker in SA. Although Parker is a shooting PG, most of his shots come within the flow of the offense and he takes shots when he has them, he also tries to penetrate at all costs and a lot of this gets their offense moving. Another guy I would like to see Arenas play like is Billups in his prime, he was still able to score but also led the team on both ends and got others involved consistently. Also, for a lot of the PG's you mentioned above, they have a ball dominate wing who they are complimenting. You wouldn't put Chris Paul together with Lebron because they are both ball dominate players who aren't effective without the ball, so it would make sense to have a different kind of PG with that type of player.
Here's your list:Fisher - Definitely not a true point but they've got a ball dominate player like Kobe and need a 3 pt shooter on the wing for kick outs. Not a PG to get them 10 asts/gm, they also run the triangle that traditionally doesn't call for a true PG especially when you have a ball dominate player on the wing, Kobe/Jordan.
Parker-Already mentioned, not a true point, but takes every shot within the offense, normally shoots over 50%, kicks the ball out for open 3's to make his teammates threats instead of forcing up shots to get to the line every time.
Mo Williams/Delonte West-Similar to Fisher. The real PG on that team is Lebron and getting another ball dominate player wouldn't make sense so you need spot up shooters to surround them.
Deron Williams - Would you seriously take Gil over Deron Williams???
Chauncey Billups - Explained above. I would take Chauncey in his prime over Gil but not now, only because he's older.
Bibby - Similar to Fisher also, Bibby has Joe Johnson who does a ton of the ball handling and acts as the PG a lot so they need him to be a part time ball handler and a 3pt shot maker to stretch the floor.
Miami PG's- Similar to Fisher also, they need shot makers on the wing, not distributor's because Wade has the ball so much. Chris Paul with Wade wouldn't make sense because you'd have 2 ball dominate players who can't function as spot up shooters. Most of Wade's PG's have been good 3pt shooters.
Steve Blake - Same thing as Fisher. Roy does a lot of ball handling so they need a decent 3pt shooter on the wing because Roy is a ball dominate player. They have been rumored to want Stefan Curry in the draft because of this reason, he'd be a shot maker from the perimeter and could score without having to dominate the ball because Roy would do it so much.
For the most part, the PG's you listed fell under the Fisher type. They play with a ball dominate player and need to be effective scoring in other ways, mainly from the 3pt line. With Gil, he is the PG and ball dominate player so it would make sense for the 3pt shooters to be on the wings, only problem is that we don;t have any 3pt shooters, which is EG's fault The problem with Gil is that Gil is the only PG, and he's the ball dominate player. The perfect compliment to Gil would be a 6'7 PG who was strong enough to guard 2's and hit the 3 consistently, only problem is that, that's a pretty rare thing to find.
For the ball dominate players above, they are all normally surrounded by multiple shooters from three and Gil should be also, and that's EG's fault. When DeShawn Stevenson is your biggest threat from 3, there's a problem. This whole thing is not Gil's fault, a lot of it is the makeup of the team. I would still like for him to attack the basket a lot more, instead of settling for jumpers, and then to kick the ball out for open shots a lot more on the perimeter instead of trying to get fouled, even though that's not necessarily a bad thing. Tony Parker sacrifices FT numbers by kicking the ball out for open shots on the perimeter which then open's up his ability to drive late in games, thats a pretty good trade off, but when there are no 3 pt shooters, you can't blame Gil all of the time.
There's simply too much statistical evidence that shows that Gilbert is a great offensive player.
