Hammond Speaks-Season Ticket holder event

[trwi7]

1. Sessions will be re-signed. If that means parting with next year's No. 1 pick to do so then that's what it will take. I'm fine with that.

Ouch.

[LUKE23]

I find this thread equal parts hilarious and depressing. I still can't believe Hammond actually said "40 wins" twice.

[Badgerlander]

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikin ... page=3&c=y

David Kahn, new general manager of the Timberwolves, has a long to-do list. "I don't think we'll have everything put together the way I see fit for another 17 months," he said. "What I mean by that is, I'm talking about the team and everything. We have a lot of opportunities, starting with this draft, through this summer with free agency, trade deadline, next summer's draft, next summer's free agency. We have several windows of opportunity to really transform the team and add some significant pieces."

Now to me this just sounds better than 2 years of 40 wins and the eighth seed, and then we'll have flexibility.

[InsideOut]

1. Sessions will be re-signed. If that means parting with next year's No. 1 pick to do so then that's what it will take. I'm fine with that.

Ouch.

I brought this up a few weeks back. Our "insiders" were telling us everything they were hearing told them Session would be back. Those same people are now talking as if there is a good chance will not be back. I'd love to know what changed for Sessions or were they just given bad info.

[LUKE23]

I'd love that Minny roster and situation. Foye/Evans or DeRozan/Miller/Love/Jefferson, without any really bad contracts on the entire roster, and max cap room in 2010 along with three first round picks this year. Say what you will about making fun of McHale right now, but he has set the team up for a very solid future. Young and talented core with a ton of picks and cap space. I like Minny's and OKC's future, along with Portlands in the West.

[BDUB_30]

The truth being told :



The big problem in this debate , what you all are failing to understand , the thing that just doesnt add up . Is that you all keep whining about losing " young assets " .. when in reality , the two guys were going to be losing , are not assets at all .


What kind of an asset is CV ? The kind of asset that 3 gm's have shopped ever since hes been in the leauge and the return has been a 5'10 160 lb handicaped CANCER ! ( TJ FORD ) .. What kind of an asset is cv when you cant even give the guy away .


Then their is Ramon . If only the game was played on paper and in a box score , ramon may be an asset . Throw out your playerprofiles , your advanced metrics and open up your mind to the fact that this guy is simply not the talent you all beleive he is . He couldnt even beat out Royal Ivey for a BACKUP job , on a team that was rebuilding .

Why do you think that is ? Be objective and ask yourself what was the reason that Ramon Sessions couldnt even beat out Royal Ivey ? .. Then bring it to the next season , when Ramon couldnt even beat out Luke frkn Ridnour , and Lue . When we heard Skiles say that he cant even run the offense when ramon is playing the point .. When John Hammond says " Ramon Sessions shouldnt even call himself an nba pg " ...


This doesnt go to even mention the fact that neither of these guys defend , play solid fundemental ball , move in halfcourt sets , rotate properly on defense ... ya know , basicaly ALL the " little " things .


Then theirs the next little " Fact " .. The fact being is Hammond , if impressed by either of these guys .. Would of made it a priority to clear room to resign them .. He didnt . Hmm i wonder why ? Maybe its cause he values the little things , maybe he knows something you dont . ( try to imagine the possibility of simply NOT KNOWING ) ..


The bottom line is , the reason none of you understand this is because you have an inflated sense of what Ramon and Cv are worth . TO you they are worth alot more then they are not only to John Hammond and the Milwaukee bucks . But to the entire NBA . These guys were both shopped extensivly and the offers were pathetic .


Case closed .. Reality checks are a mother , but somebodys got to do them... Cv and Ramon will both be backups in a diffrent city .. backups that dont play any defense and whos contributions to winning basketball games are very limited because their fundementals are so poor .

[paulpressey25]

The fact being is Hammond , if impressed by either of these guys .. Would of made it a priority to clear room to resign them ..

Or Hammond boxed himself in and doesn't know how to get out. So now he'll rationalize that he's got PG's to choose from with the #10 pick.

Ramon as a starter in 38 games this year averaged 15/7.5/4.1 on 45% shooting and got the line 5 times a game in only 33 minutes.

Has Royal Ivey or his buddies like Greg Buckner, Erick Strickland, Kevin Ollie, etc, etc, ever been close to having the talent to accumulate those numbers?

The dude (Sessions) has only played in 96 career games. I think you best argument is that he's Eric Murdock, but I can't come to that conclusion yet.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... oer01.html

[LUKE23]

You can say Sessions isn't an asset all you'd like B DUB, you will continue to be wrong every time you say it.

[InsideOut]

Then their is Ramon . If only the game was played on paper and in a box score , ramon may be an asset . Throw out your playerprofiles , your advanced metrics and open up your mind to the fact that this guy is simply not the talent you all beleive he is . He couldnt even beat out Royal Ivey for a BACKUP job , on a team that was rebuilding .

Why do you think that is ? Be objective and ask yourself what was the reason that Ramon Sessions couldnt even beat out Royal Ivey ? .. Then bring it to the next season , when Ramon couldnt even beat out Luke frkn Ridnour , and Lue . When we heard Skiles say that he cant even run the offense when ramon is playing the point .. When John Hammond says " Ramon Sessions shouldnt even call himself an nba pg " ...

This was his first full NBA season. How good should he be? Do you think he will never get any better? Do you think Skiles can't teach him to be a much better player? Should we drop all our players that are as good as or worse Session has been? How good were guys like D. Harris, J. Nelson and Nash in their first full seasons? How long should we give a player before we decide he should be dropped for nothing?

[steger_3434]

Hammond is also the guy that drafted Potsie and was part of the brain trust that busted with White and Darko. Him not showing he has faith in Sessions doesn't tell me Sessions isn't a player. It just continues the fact Hammond can't judge talent very well.

[steger_3434]

Then their is Ramon . If only the game was played on paper and in a box score , ramon may be an asset . Throw out your playerprofiles , your advanced metrics and open up your mind to the fact that this guy is simply not the talent you all beleive he is . He couldnt even beat out Royal Ivey for a BACKUP job , on a team that was rebuilding .

Why do you think that is ? Be objective and ask yourself what was the reason that Ramon Sessions couldnt even beat out Royal Ivey ? .. Then bring it to the next season , when Ramon couldnt even beat out Luke frkn Ridnour , and Lue . When we heard Skiles say that he cant even run the offense when ramon is playing the point .. When John Hammond says " Ramon Sessions shouldnt even call himself an nba pg " ...

This was his first full NBA season. How good should he be? Do you think he will never get any better? Do you think Skiles can't teach him to be a much better player? Should we drop all our players that are as good as or worse Session has been? How good were guys like D. Harris, J. Nelson and Nash in their first full seasons? How long should we give a player before we decide he should be dropped for nothing?

If he's Joe Alexander at least 3 full years.

[Ayt]

The fact being is Hammond , if impressed by either of these guys .. Would of made it a priority to clear room to resign them ..

Or Hammond boxed himself in and doesn't know how to get out. So now he'll rationalize that he's got PG's to choose from with the #10 pick.

Ramon as a starter in 38 games this year averaged 15/7.5/4.1 on 45% shooting and got the line 5 times a game in only 33 minutes.

Has Royal Ivey or his buddies like Greg Buckner, Erick Strickland, Kevin Ollie, etc, etc, ever been close to having the talent to accumulate those numbers?

The dude (Sessions) has only played in 96 career games. I think you best argument is that he's Eric Murdock, but I can't come to that conclusion yet.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... oer01.html

I hadn't thought about that guy in awhile. I really liked him in college and was happy when he started to blossom as a Buck. Had he not had that weird eye injury he could have been a solid player.

[Bernman]

The bottom line is , the reason none of you understand this is because you have an inflated sense of what Ramon and Cv are worth . TO you they are worth alot more then they are not only to John Hammond and the Milwaukee bucks . But to the entire NBA . These guys were both shopped extensivly and the offers were pathetic .

Then apparently you think the #4 pick (Mike Conley) from the same draft two years ago is a pathetic offer.

Unless you're refuting that report, thus calling CBQ a liar.

[InsideOut]

Then their is Ramon . If only the game was played on paper and in a box score , ramon may be an asset . Throw out your playerprofiles , your advanced metrics and open up your mind to the fact that this guy is simply not the talent you all beleive he is . He couldnt even beat out Royal Ivey for a BACKUP job , on a team that was rebuilding .

Why do you think that is ? Be objective and ask yourself what was the reason that Ramon Sessions couldnt even beat out Royal Ivey ? .. Then bring it to the next season , when Ramon couldnt even beat out Luke frkn Ridnour , and Lue . When we heard Skiles say that he cant even run the offense when ramon is playing the point .. When John Hammond says " Ramon Sessions shouldnt even call himself an nba pg " ...

This was his first full NBA season. How good should he be? Do you think he will never get any better? Do you think Skiles can't teach him to be a much better player? Should we drop all our players that are as good as or worse Session has been? How good were guys like D. Harris, J. Nelson and Nash in their first full seasons? How long should we give a player before we decide he should be dropped for nothing?

If he's Joe Alexander at least 3 full years.

Well no doubt but then Sessions hasn't had those big games like JA that shows his huge potential.

[LUKE23]

Hammond already stated he got more calls about Sessions than anyone else on the roster, so that refutes B DUB right there. Unless he's calling Hammond a liar or he disagrees with Hammond, in which case he's screwed.

[raferfenix]

Bdub---if Sessions had so little value why was he almost traded with Alexander for Conley? Even if the Grizzlies were high on Joe, that deal still would have been about swapping pg's (and memphis would have been assuredly planning to resign him).

Also, if he had so little value why did the Blazers demand he be included?

He may not have as much value as many on this board are projecting, but suggesting he's in the same department as CV seems off to me. Sessions is young, but it's not like he's had years of little improvement and lockerroom problems. Plus, two coaches going with more experienced players over a rookie isn't the most surprising thing in the world either. You are right if they were enamored with Sessions he would have gotten more minutes and htey wouldn't have said as negative things about him in the press, but for a young PG all things considered he's gotta be considered an asset.

[BDUB_30]

The bottom line is , the reason none of you understand this is because you have an inflated sense of what Ramon and Cv are worth . TO you they are worth alot more then they are not only to John Hammond and the Milwaukee bucks . But to the entire NBA . These guys were both shopped extensivly and the offers were pathetic .

Then apparently you think the #4 pick (Mike Conley) from the same draft two years ago is a pathetic offer.

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I do ..Im not high on Conley at all ..id rather scoop up a pg at the vet min who is capable of defending and running the sets . Something sessions and mike struggle to do .


Im also not ready to give up on Joe . Sorry , im sure im in the minority on that one as well . Joe was part of that deal ...So yes , i think JOE and Ramon for Mike is just ho-hum type deal ..

[El Duderino]

Or Hammond boxed himself in and doesn't know how to get out. So now he'll rationalize that he's got PG's to choose from with the #10 pick.

I think if Sessions ends up leaving it will largely have been a decision by Skiles as much as anyone else. Hammond to me seems like he's very close with Skiles and will greatly take the opinion of Skiles into player moves. This isn't say a Larry Harris and Stotts relationship.

Granted, Hammond is the GM and for me will be the most responsible for the success/Failure of the Bucks, thus he'll deserve the most credit or blame. So if Sessions is left to leave and he goes on elsewhere to become a quality starting PG or even better than that, the ultimate blame will be on Hammond, but i do think Skiles will have had a major influence on that decision by Hammond either way. Now they very well could have a similar opinion of Sessions, but even if they don't and say Skiles isn't thrilled with the idea of Ramon being the Bucks starting PG of the future, i just don't see Hammond telling Skiles that hey you're simply going to have to coach him up because i'm keeping Ramon.

[InsideOut]

The bottom line is , the reason none of you understand this is because you have an inflated sense of what Ramon and Cv are worth . TO you they are worth alot more then they are not only to John Hammond and the Milwaukee bucks . But to the entire NBA . These guys were both shopped extensivly and the offers were pathetic .

Then apparently you think the #4 pick (Mike Conley) from the same draft two years ago is a pathetic offer.

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Im also not ready to give up on Joe . Sorry , im sure im in the minority on that one as well . Joe was part of that deal ...So yes , i think JOE and Ramon for Mike is just ho-hum type deal ..

So the guy that has shown nothing (JA) is worth something to you and the guy that has shown something (Sessions) is worth nothing to you? Not sure what to say about that.

[BDUB_30]

Bdub---if Sessions had so little value why was he almost traded with Alexander for Conley? Even if the Grizzlies were high on Joe, that deal still would have been about swapping pg's (and memphis would have been assuredly planning to resign him).

Also, if he had so little value why did the Blazers demand he be included?

He may not have as much value as many on this board are projecting, but suggesting he's in the same department as CV seems off to me. Sessions is young, but it's not like he's had years of little improvement and lockerroom problems. Plus, two coaches going with more experienced players over a rookie isn't the most surprising thing in the world either. You are right if they were enamored with Sessions he would have gotten more minutes and htey wouldn't have said as negative things about him in the press, but for a young PG all things considered he's gotta be considered an asset.

Youre reading to much into the Portland deal .. the report was an asset . I think it was a draft pick , and not Ramon ..

Ive already gave my opionon on the conley trade.


I agree with you saying coaches due tend to go with expirence at the position , but in all the years ive watched basketball ive yet to read and hear the kind of critisims coming from a front office as i have heard from this one in regards to Ramon . Their were all kinds of DIRECT comments from skiles and hammond in regards to ramon , and then some very non direct ones . Some nights where ramon was shot happy and skiles immediatly comments on the lack of ball movement , i take them comments as critisims of Ramons game .

this board has an inflated value of who and what Ramon / CV are . Those opionons do not match this front office/coaching staffs , nor the nba's . We can argue to what degree all day and night but that point stands . That point will be proven as time goes on .