Hammond Speaks-Season Ticket holder event

[paulpressey25]

I think Sessions is a lock to return if we draft Jordan Hill. If Flynn or Holiday are there and we draft one of them, we'll have a damn interesting July around these parts.

[BDUB_30]

We just traded a guy that plays the position very similair to sessions .. Mo and Ramon are similiar players , i personaly think mo is better because mos jumpshot has to be respected .


We did that so we could play a guy who runs the offense and gets people involved .( Ridnour ) ..


So now were going to trade Ridnour , to go BACK to playing a guy that plays like a guy we got rid of a year ago ? That doesnt make sense . If we wanted a guy that doesnt run the offense , and plays no defense .. why the hell did we just trade MO ? I would rather have mo then Ramon ....



Ohh wait , we dont and were not ...you will not see Ridnour moved to make room for sessions . That is a poor use of logic to really think we would give this team to a guy that we basicaly just got rid of . Mo and Ramon are awefully similair except one can shoot and one can not .

[LUKE23]

PP hit the nail on the head. If Skiles really wants Sessions back then Hammond would try everything to keep him. But the reality is that Skiles isn't sold on Sessions. So the team will more than likely try to compete for the next two years with Redd, RJ and Bogut and let their draft picks mature. Then in 2011 the team can fill in the holes with the cap room that they have.

If you honestly believe that, then Sessions for Conley should have been done. Unless you think Conley for three years on a rookie scale and another 2010 first is not worth it for 30 games of Sessions.

Either Sessions is kept or Hammond gets criticized here. There is no in between.

[europa]

I think Sessions is a lock to return if we draft Jordan Hill. If Flynn or Holiday are there and we draft one of them, we'll have a damn interesting July around these parts.

If Flynn or Holiday are drafted and Ridnour is traded on draft night I think we can safely assume the plan will be to re-sign Sessions.

[BDUB_30]

But I would respectfully disagree with Skiles and Hammond if they believe Ridnour/10 gives the Bucks a better chance to win now than Sessions/10.

I'm all for Ramon simply based on the upside he has. It is worth it to me for him to have the starting job next year. But I think some guys underestimate the value of a Steve Blake or Luke Ridnour. When you've got $50 million in salary allocated to the other positions, certain coaches just want a guy who doesn't make mistakes.

Last year for example, Sessions made a number of boneheaded turnovers at key points. From your perspective and mine, those are growing pains he might work his way through. And we'd argue that Sessions A/TO ratio was still excellent. But those key TO's eat away at a guy like Skiles who lives and dies on every possession and every win/loss. There was a reason Ridnour came back in the Mo trade versus an expiring and a reason why Ridnour was immediately named the starter. Skiles has more confidence in him. Doesn't mean Ridnour is a good player. Just that Skiles trusts him more. The team was winning with Ridnour as the starter and all the other players healthy.

PP hit the nail on the head. If Skiles really wants Sessions back then Hammond would try everything to keep him. But the reality is that Skiles isn't sold on Sessions. So the team will more than likely try to compete for the next two years with Redd, RJ and Bogut and let their draft picks mature. Then in 2011 the team can fill in the holes with the cap room that they have.

Yep , youre 100% right .. Im glad im not the only one seeing this .

[paulpressey25]

Either Sessions is kept or Hammond gets criticized here. There is no in between.

Or I still criticize Hammond if he needs to give up a future first to move Ridnour's contract...

[BDUB_30]

PP hit the nail on the head. If Skiles really wants Sessions back then Hammond would try everything to keep him. But the reality is that Skiles isn't sold on Sessions. So the team will more than likely try to compete for the next two years with Redd, RJ and Bogut and let their draft picks mature. Then in 2011 the team can fill in the holes with the cap room that they have.

If you honestly believe that, then Sessions for Conley should have been done. Unless you think Conley for three years on a rookie scale and another 2010 first is not worth it for 30 games of Sessions.

Either Sessions is kept or Hammond gets criticized here. There is no in between.

as if JA is just nothing ...again , that is YOUR idea .. not fact .

[europa]

PP hit the nail on the head. If Skiles really wants Sessions back then Hammond would try everything to keep him. But the reality is that Skiles isn't sold on Sessions.

If that's the case, then you make the Conley trade. If you're not sold on Sessions and there's a PG available you do like, you make the trade. If you're not sold on Sessions and you don't make the Conley trade, then you're an idiot.

No in betweens there in my opinion.

[LUKE23]

Or I still criticize Hammond if he needs to give up a future first to move Ridnour's contract...

Well, that goes without saying.

[europa]

Either Sessions is kept or Hammond gets criticized here. There is no in between.

Or I still criticize Hammond if he needs to give up a future first to move Ridnour's contract...

I'll make a friendly wager with you that won't happen. Send me your email address if you want.

[randy84]

PP hit the nail on the head. If Skiles really wants Sessions back then Hammond would try everything to keep him. But the reality is that Skiles isn't sold on Sessions. So the team will more than likely try to compete for the next two years with Redd, RJ and Bogut and let their draft picks mature. Then in 2011 the team can fill in the holes with the cap room that they have.

If you honestly believe that, then Sessions for Conley should have been done. Unless you think Conley for three years on a rookie scale and another 2010 first is not worth it for 30 games of Sessions.

Either Sessions is kept or Hammond gets criticized here. There is no in between.

Kohl shot down the Conley. There isn't much you can do if the boss says no.

[europa]

Kohl shot down the Conley. There isn't much you can do if the boss says no.

I disagree. You figure out another way to get the deal done. If Hammond and Skiles were that determined to get rid of Sessions, they would've found a way to get the Conley deal done.

[paulpressey25]

If Flynn or Holiday are drafted and Ridnour is traded on draft night I think we can safely assume the plan will be to re-sign Sessions.

I know we are all keying for draft night here, but I'm not sure any deals that involve us dumping salary will go down. For some reason I see it being hard to get those done until after the smoke clears a bit during the first couple weeks of FA. I think we'll pick some guy at #10 and then go into a frenzy on here for the next two weeks debating the same crap regarding Ramon.

Plus I can't see Hammond dumping Ridnour on draft night and losing his leverage (and safety valve) as it relates to Ramon. Maybe dumping Ridnour later, after he has a contract with Ramon. But not before. That again is why I see Potsie as the likely guy to move on draft night assuming we pick Hill at #10. Hammond already has that position covered with RJ and Moute.

[LUKE23]

Kohl shot down the Conley. There isn't much you can do if the boss says no.

If that is true then Sessions will be kept under Kohl's orders. Like I said, there is zero in-between here.

Either Sessions is kept or Conley deal should have been done. Sessions walking does not come into play.

[randy84]

Kohl shot down the Conley. There isn't much you can do if the boss says no.

I disagree. You figure out another way to get the deal done. If Hammond and Skiles were that determined to get rid of Sessions, they would've found a way to get the Conley deal done.

Like what?

[LUKE23]

I agree we won't make any of those type of moves until July PP.

[BDUB_30]

PP hit the nail on the head. If Skiles really wants Sessions back then Hammond would try everything to keep him. But the reality is that Skiles isn't sold on Sessions.

If that's the case, then you make the Conley trade. If you're not sold on Sessions and there's a PG available you do like, you make the trade. If you're not sold on Sessions and you don't make the Conley trade, then you're an idiot.

No in betweens there in my opinion.

What if the bucks feel Conley isnt all that impresive either and taking on his rookie deal for 2 more years isnt worth it PERIOD ?

not so far out of the realm of possibilites ... and neither is the fact that JA had to be included in that deal and the bucks arent as eager to give up on him as some of you are ..


So , as you can see , their is some in between their as i just pointed out .. If the bucks dont like how conley hoops why trade for him ? Just to pay him for 2 more years ? Ohh and we give up on our lottery pick after 5 months ?


I think Conley is to damn small ..i wouldnt want him on this team .

[europa]

Kohl shot down the Conley. There isn't much you can do if the boss says no.

I disagree. You figure out another way to get the deal done. If Hammond and Skiles were that determined to get rid of Sessions, they would've found a way to get the Conley deal done.

Like what?

Not sure. I'm not the one being paid to make those decisions. But you had a team that badly wanted a guy you apparently don't like and they were offering a player you did like. If you were determined to be rid of Sessions, you'd find a way to get that deal done. No way you turn it down and keep the guy you don't like and pass up the chance to acquire a player you do. That makes no sense.

And I agree with Luke, if the mandate came from Kohl that Sessions wasn't going to be dealt to the Grizzlies, that enhances the chances he'll put his foot down and say Sessions will be re-signed if the offer for him is reasonable. If there was ever a time I wanted Kohl to meddle this may be the time.

[randy84]

You guys have to remember that at the time Sessions was putting up huge numbers. Conley wasn't doing a thing. If your the owner and your GM comes to you and says that they would like to get rid of a guy putting up numbers and your first round draft pick for a guy who isn't doing a thing, I am sure you would've said "sorry I am boss, not going to happen."

Let me ask you guys, do you think Skiles wants Sessions?

[paulpressey25]

Two cents to add on Conley. While I love the guy, B-dub is correct in that Conley is not cheap. He has a high salary slot because of his draft position. We don't save tons of money on him versus Ramon IMO.

Secondly, at the time that deal was discussed, Conley was playing horrible and looked to be a huge bust. I'd guess 80% of the Memphis board wanted that deal done. We are viewing Conley in hindsight now, after he got an opportunity to play under Hollins.

That doesn't excuse Hammond from not making the deal, since arguably your GM needs vision on these things. But would explain why it wasn't viewed as a slam dunk on the Bucks part.