Hammond Speaks-Season Ticket holder event

[LUKE23]

Please stop using Woelfel as some kind of source. The guy reads this forum and that is where he find his information. Did you all forget how he took my information from Kukoc's interview and presented it as a fact. I made wrong translation and he took it as a true. And you guys trust him

Get a grip, the trade was reported by SEVERAL sources. It was available.

[Sigra]

I'd be curious if NBA GM's were asked whether they take Childress/Sessions for $14 million or RJ for $14 million. I'd bet that 80% of them would take Childress/Sessions. Maybe more.

Well, if that is true then we should hope that our GM is in that top 20%

Tell me something PP,
We all know that RJ had bad year. But do you think that Sessions is better player than RJ? Do you think that Childress is better player than RJ? If you agree that RJ is better than Sessions and that RJ is better than Childress then I will ask you to think about comon wording that we all used when talking about trades "they got best player so they won this trade". We use that even when one team get 4 or 5 players for one. The team that gets best player win that trade even if they have to give 3 players to get that one. Remember when we traded KAJ for bunch of players? Shaq for Lamar and Buttler? Garnett for package of players and so on.

So if team A trade RJ for Sessions and Childress and if RJ is best of that 3 players can't we say that team A win in that trade?

[InsideOut]

It doesn't matter who the better player is between these two. RJ will not be here when the Bucks are ready to contend. Sessions at least has a chance to be both better than RJ and be here when the team is contending. I know Sigra will disagree because I'm sure he feels we win 50+ next season and will be contenders. When you are a below average team and trying to build a winner you keep the cheaper youth with high potential over the older vet that has been starting to decline. Unless of course you're Hammond and your goal is to max out your cap while trying to win 40 games and get an 8th seed. Then by all means keep the older and way overpaid player.

[Sigra]

It doesn't matter who the better player is between these two. RJ will not be here when the Bucks are ready to contend. Sessions at least has a chance to be both better than RJ and be here when the team is contending. I know Sigra will disagree because I'm sure he feels we win 50+ next season and will be contenders. When you are a below average team and trying to build a winner you keep the cheaper youth with high potential over the older vet that has been starting to decline. Unless of course you're Hammond and your goal is to max out your cap while trying to win 40 games and get an 8th seed. Then by all means keep the older and way overpaid player.

I was reading Boston forum just few days before Garnett trade. People said things like: "why we traded for old man Ray Allen? We are not going to contend anyway. We should trade Pierce, collect high picks and start from 0. But we are so stupid that we not only kept Pierce but we also add his father Ray". And then they got Garnett and BUM everything changed.

Things can change so quickly. You can go from one of the worst team in league to NBA champion in one year (like Boston did). Before them Nets traded for Kidd and insteed of one of the worst teams they become best team at east for years. Things can change so quickly if you have other pieces at place. RJ is good piece. He proved that over years as a member (amd starter) of eastern conference champion for years. Bogut is good piece as well. Hammond turned Yi and Simmons into RJ. That was miracle. One more miracle like that and we are contenders. Book it.

[LUKE23]

KG is a HOF player, so that comparison doesn't hold much water.

The Nets were EC champions because of Kidd. The fact that RJ was on that roster isn't that relevant.

Here is the better question: how did the Nets do when RJ was considered the top player after Kidd left?

Miracle? If RJ was as good as you say, he could have won the Bucks 39 games, which is what we needed to make the playoffs, even without Bogut or Redd.

[Sigra]

Miracle? If RJ was as good as you say, he could have won the Bucks 39 games, which is what we needed to make the playoffs, even without Bogut or Redd.

How can he win 39 games with CV-Gadzuric frontcourt and Sessions-LRMAM backcourt? Soft and stupid frontcourt that can't defend and backcourt that can't shoot. It is miracle that he won as much as he did.

[raferfenix]

I think this board's opinion of RJ is artificially low. He didn't have a disappointing season, he did exactly what he was supposed to do. The real problem--and the bigger reason for this board's discontent--is that RJ alongside Redd doesn't make that much sense. If we had traded Redd none of this would be an issue. We would have the cash to resign Sessions/CV (presuming we got some sort of ending contract in return), and we'd have a ton more need for their scoring as well.

However, while we are saddled with Redd that will clearly alter our decision making. Many of us thought we should give away RJ due to this, but apparently Hammond/Skiles disagreed. What we should all agree on is that if we had dropped Redd while we could have (if we could have) THEN NONE OF THIS STUFF WOULD BE AS BIG AN ISSUE!

Bdub and Sigra----I'm curious what you two think in particular about the Redd non-trade?

[Sigra]

Bdub and Sigra----I'm curious what you two think in particular about the Redd non-trade?

I wanted to trade Redd long time ago. I was against Redd when it was not popular to be against Redd. This year, when Hammond traded Mo I realized that our GM "gets it" and then I was sure that Redd is next. I think Hammond wanted to trade Redd at the trade deadline for the best offer that he gets by then. I think he hoped that some contender will get desperate and offer some value. I even started to make "with or without you" threads that showed how we don't need Redd. I was working "to prepare" people to Redd trade. Unfortunatly, Redd's injury destroyed all of that. I cried when I heard news about Redd's season ending injury. I honestly did. Real tears. I knew back then how terrible it is for our plans.

[InsideOut]

It doesn't matter who the better player is between these two. RJ will not be here when the Bucks are ready to contend. Sessions at least has a chance to be both better than RJ and be here when the team is contending. I know Sigra will disagree because I'm sure he feels we win 50+ next season and will be contenders. When you are a below average team and trying to build a winner you keep the cheaper youth with high potential over the older vet that has been starting to decline. Unless of course you're Hammond and your goal is to max out your cap while trying to win 40 games and get an 8th seed. Then by all means keep the older and way overpaid player.

I was reading Boston forum just few days before Garnett trade. People said things like: "why we traded for old man Ray Allen? We are not going to contend anyway. We should trade Pierce, collect high picks and start from 0. But we are so stupid that we not only kept Pierce but we also add his father Ray". And then they got Garnett and BUM everything changed.

Things can change so quickly. You can go from one of the worst team in league to NBA champion in one year (like Boston did). Before them Nets traded for Kidd and insteed of one of the worst teams they become best team at east for years. Things can change so quickly if you have other pieces at place. RJ is good piece. He proved that over years as a member (amd starter) of eastern conference champion for years. Bogut is good piece as well. Hammond turned Yi and Simmons into RJ. That was miracle. One more miracle like that and we are contenders. Book it.

You are comparing this team to the Boston team that had the #5 pick? I guess I don't know where to go from there. Maybe you could share what assets we have that could get us a Ray Allen and KG.

[Bernman]

I was reading Boston forum just few days before Garnett trade. People said things like: "why we traded for old man Ray Allen? We are not going to contend anyway. We should trade Pierce, collect high picks and start from 0. But we are so stupid that we not only kept Pierce but we also add his father Ray". And then they got Garnett and BUM everything changed.

Things can change so quickly. You can go from one of the worst team in league to NBA champion in one year (like Boston did). Before them Nets traded for Kidd and insteed of one of the worst teams they become best team at east for years. Things can change so quickly if you have other pieces at place. RJ is good piece. He proved that over years as a member (amd starter) of eastern conference champion for years. Bogut is good piece as well. Hammond turned Yi and Simmons into RJ. That was miracle. One more miracle like that and we are contenders. Book it.

Ray Allen is a 9-time all-star, who made it on his own merit because he can create his own shot, for others, and score anywhere on the court. He was the best player on an EC Finals team, who would have won the NBA championship had Stern not rigged the Philly series. He was one of the key players on a gold medal winning U.S. Olympic Team. If you didn't know he got game, maybe the movie with expressly that title should have told you. He has a skill in a jump shot that allowed Reggie Miller to be effective until he was 40. And his contract ran for 3 years.

Richard Jefferson is a 0-time all-star, who can't create his own shot or for others, and got a huge contract because Jason Kidd is one of the best pure point guards of all time. RJ was a distant 2nd or 3rd best player on an EC finals team. He was one of the worst players on the first US Olympic team with professional players, who never won gold, and in fact they were crushed a few times along way. He's never been in a movie about how sweet of a basketball player he was. His game is primarily predicated on athleticism, which has waned because of injuries and age. And his contract runs for two years.

C'mon, RJ, especially in his current state, is not part of a 3-man core who will aid a team in winning an NBA championship. Our window for even using him would be small if he was. And the Bucks don't have the young assets ala the Celtics did, to acquire a superstar like Garnett in the near future. We don't have an Al Jefferson. I suppose we could have, but we passed on Brook Lopez last season for a bust like Potsie. That's what happens when you draft for need, Sigra. Let that be a lesson to you before you continue advocating doing the same in this year's draft. Your chances of getting the best player available that would be the primary piece in a Garnett type trade is decreased 80 percent, theoretically.

[Sigra]

Bern,
I would draft Lopez if I was Hammond. I wasn't very vocal at that time and I would first look to trade pick but if I used it I would use it on Lopez. Potsie was mistake as I clearly said many times.

The way how Ray played in first 2 rounds at playoffs last year I am sure RJ would play better.

We don't need to find Garnett IMO. Bogut is not as good as Garnett but healthy Bogut will do the main things that Garnett brought to Celtics (defense, rebounding and energy). We need to find Pierce IMO. The guy who is offansive playmaker and clutch performer. Pierce was what, 10th overall pick in the 1998 NBA Draft? There you go

[Bernman]

It has become almost impossible to discuss anything with some posters. Anything that is reported that helps their point is quoted and used as an "I told you so". If a fact is reported that hurts their point or favorite player/GM they dismiss it at rumor or someone lying.

+ 1 and the entire country of Japan who places honor at the forefront of all principles.

InsideOut is right.....you can put that in your signature for self loving purposes.

[Sigra]

InsideOut is right.....you can put that in your signature for self loving purposes.

So you think if you say so it is as important as when Bell says so? What that tell about your self loving

[raferfenix]

Bdub and Sigra----I'm curious what you two think in particular about the Redd non-trade?

I wanted to trade Redd long time ago. I was against Redd when it was not popular to be against Redd. This year, when Hammond traded Mo I realized that our GM "gets it" and then I was sure that Redd is next. I think Hammond wanted to trade Redd at the trade deadline for the best offer that he gets by then. I think he hoped that some contender will get desperate and offer some value. I even started to make "with or without you" threads that showed how we don't need Redd. I was working "to prepare" people to Redd trade. Unfortunatly, Redd's injury destroyed all of that. I cried when I heard news about Redd's season ending injury. I honestly did. Real tears. I knew back then how terrible it is for our plans.

The biggest criticism to be made of Hammond is that he took the risk that Redd would not get hurt and that he could get more for him by the deadline. Now that we're stuck with him though, it does make Sessions and CV much more superflorous in terms of our lack of need for their scoring.

It shouldn't be the RJ non-trade that people view as leading to Sessions/CV leaving---RJ helps us in a variety of other ways besides scoring, and he's the kind of player Skiles/Hammond would want to keep ahead of Sessions/CV.

It's the Redd non-move that got us stuck in this bind, and I think we've been scrambling to some degree ever since he got hurt to try to mitigate the damage!

[Bernman]

:lol: So you think if you say so it is as important as when Bell says so? What that tell about your self loving

It was meant to be ironic as a commentary on how ridiculous that practice has become. Lost in translation I guess.

[LUKE23]

How can he win 39 games with CV-Gadzuric frontcourt and Sessions-LRMAM backcourt? Soft and stupid frontcourt that can't defend and backcourt that can't shoot. It is miracle that he won as much as he did.

LOL!!!!!!!! Yes, winning 34 games in a bad East (39 win team made the playoffs) is such a great accomplishment.

It has become almost impossible to discuss anything with some posters. Anything that is reported that helps their point is quoted and used as an "I told you so". If a fact is reported that hurts their point or favorite player/GM they dismiss it at rumor or someone lying.

Yep. It's clear some will back Hammond no mattter what he does. Keep Sessions? Smart move. Lose Sessions and not trade him for Conley? Smart move. Embarrassing.

[paulpressey25]

It's the Redd non-move that got us stuck in this bind, and I think we've been scrambling to some degree ever since he got hurt to try to mitigate the damage!

Exactly. People are all bitching about how Malik Allen's $1.3 million dollar contract is somehow impeding our off-season plans. Every team in the league needs an old man veteran to keep things loose in practice, on the planes, etc. And Elson played good enough backup center for his $1.7 million.

Ramon and CV? Easily worth short-term contracts worth $4-6 million a year. Ridnour's $6.5mm deal for that extra year? Not a killer for competent coach on the floor PG who runs through walls for Skiles.

All these salary problems come back to you know who. The $90 million dollar man from Columbus who when he's on still probably doesn't crack the list of the 50 most valuable NBA players.

[trwi7]

He didn't have a disappointing season, he did exactly what he was supposed to do.

Shoot 42%, not rebound and be pretty much a jump shooter?

[raferfenix]

It's the Redd non-move that got us stuck in this bind, and I think we've been scrambling to some degree ever since he got hurt to try to mitigate the damage!

Exactly. People are all bitching about how Malik Allen's $1.3 million dollar contract is somehow impeding our off-season plans. Every team in the league needs an old man veteran to keep things loose in practice, on the planes, etc. And Elson played good enough backup center for his $1.7 million.

Ramon and CV? Easily worth short-term contracts worth $4-6 million a year. Ridnour's $6.5mm deal for that extra year? Not a killer for competent coach on the floor PG who runs through walls for Skiles.

All these salary problems come back to you know who. The $90 million dollar man from Columbus who when he's on still probably doesn't crack the list of the 50 most valuable NBA players.

Yup. I put RJ in this category too. We all hoped he'd do more for us, but he put up pretty similar numbers to what he had been doing in NJ. He is slightly overpaid, but if we didn't have Redd we'd horribly need his scoring, and his leadership is a particularly huge value for Milwaukee (where we have been relying on Redd of all people to be a leader for a half decade).

If we weren't stuck with Redd, I bet 0% of Bucks fans would be looking to trade RJ just for an ending deal.

[midranger]

Corey Maggette sucks and is overpaid @ 10 million , but he would have provided exactly what RJ did last year. 20 points on high volume, low efficiency scoring. Nothing else.