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Whats up with the Coach selection process?

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Re: Whats up with the Coach selection process? 

Post#81 » by RIPskaterdude » Mon Jun 8, 2009 7:07 pm

_SRV_ wrote:Ettore Messina is not coming back to CSKA, they announced the hiring of a new coach, most likely candidate is Spanish team Real MAdrid, according to the press.


I wouldn't mind him as a coach, especially if we get Rubio somehow (doesn't hurt to have an international coach with an international rookie), but we haven't even interviewed him yet...and I doubt that we'll interview another person...:(
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Re: Whats up with the Coach selection process? 

Post#82 » by pillwenney » Mon Jun 8, 2009 7:29 pm

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Yes, but it's also having the SKILL to do what is called for by the coach. Brad Miller isn't nearly as talented as either, but he could play the part better, and subsequently more effectively, than some of the more talented players out there.

It's hard to compare what Phil did in Chicago with what he's done in LA. They ran the offense in Chicago through Jordan who was a rare SG that could post up better than most PF's or C's. PG's in his system are typically similar, there is a reason for that and it's largely based on preference. The players change, sometimes the positions those players play change, but they more often than not, fit a certain criteria depending on what the team looks like. Those teams have the balance I was eluding to and direction in terms of personnel. Horry, Grant, Rodman, etc. at PF. Each unique, but all providing a defensive presence and toughness. Guys that can hit the 3 point shot are a must, pretty funny how 3 point shooters/plain old beefy dudes on the perimeter, typically of the big SF/combo F variety wind up getting time huh? Why guys like Radmonovic, Fox, Kukoc, Horry, Odom, now Ariza, etc. seem to always find minutes on his teams.

Nellie being a great coach or not is still based on your opinion. In your OPINION Rick Adelman is a great coach. Once again, he was brought up as an example of a coach seeking particular personnel.


Yes, if you plugged Shaq into a position where he was in the high post shooting jumpers, Brad would be more successful at that spot. But that is completely in line with my point. Even though Pau is basically the prototypical triangle big, he still wasn't as good in the system as Shaq because Shaq is the better player. That is Phil adjusting the system for the talent he has.

And that comparison with those forwards is kind of a stretch. Kukoc and Odom are similar, and Radman and Horry are kind of similar, but there's certainly nothing close to a consistent similarity between all of them. And for what it's worth, Radmonavic was traded in a salary dump, and the Lakers didn't miss a beat.

I'm not saying that there aren't certain types of players that Phil prefers that fit better than others, just that the system doesn't determine everything--not by a long shot. It's well known that Phil prefers bigger PGs for his system--yet Fisher has been around for a while.
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Re: Whats up with the Coach selection process? 

Post#83 » by Smills91 » Mon Jun 8, 2009 9:19 pm

Ugh, Rambis is sooooo BORING.
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Re: Whats up with the Coach selection process? 

Post#84 » by cdt3 » Mon Jun 8, 2009 11:43 pm

I agree Smills. No Westphal was going to sell seats but the tough thing with Rambis or Avery or JVG or even Westy's records are who was on their teams and how much rebuilding did they do. Rambis of course had a Phil Jackson team put together for him and he took over in their peak and did zero rebuilding. Avery Johnson took over for Don Nelson a Dallas team that was in their peak with no rebuilding. JVG took over another Nelson built less than 2 years in the Knicks so there was some minor rebuilding. Westphal's first team was the Suns one of the most stacked teams in history so no rebuilding. His second team was the Supersonics who just lost Kemp and only had Payton as their only star. They also had a similar player to Donte Greene in Rashard Lewis who was a bit player at that time. This roster had a similar talent level and was a similar to the Kings rebuilding job. So really he is the only one out of all who did actual rebuilding.
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Re: Whats up with the Coach selection process? 

Post#85 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jun 9, 2009 5:59 am

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:
_SRV_ wrote:Ettore Messina is not coming back to CSKA, they announced the hiring of a new coach, most likely candidate is Spanish team Real MAdrid, according to the press.


I wouldn't mind him as a coach, especially if we get Rubio somehow (doesn't hurt to have an international coach with an international rookie), but we haven't even interviewed him yet...and I doubt that we'll interview another person...:(



Read that Sam Amick twitter thing, sounded like no more candidates.
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Re: Whats up with the Coach selection process? 

Post#86 » by RIPskaterdude » Tue Jun 9, 2009 5:50 pm

Yep...it's going to be either Rambis or Westphal... how disappointing. We already passed on Rambis TWICE, and yet we're going back to him again? And Westphal would be okay...but how interested would you be if you were interviewed for a job almost a month ago?
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Re: Whats up with the Coach selection process? 

Post#87 » by pillwenney » Tue Jun 9, 2009 9:04 pm

I don't think people are giving Rambis a fair shake. If Geoff likes him, I like.
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Re: Whats up with the Coach selection process? 

Post#88 » by cdt3 » Tue Jun 9, 2009 11:34 pm

The biggest problem with with Rambis is he never has rebuilt a team all his coaching was not for a built team. Paul's first team in Phoenix was stacked with KJ and Barkley so he didn't rebuild, but his second team in Seattle was only Payton (after Kemp fell into drugs). He did rebuild there and had Rashard Lewis who had exactly the same game, production and age as Donte. In my opinion they are either want a all around teacher like Westphal. Or else they want someone who can coach for a long, long time and maybe works with the big guys since our offense is really big guy oriented and I'm sure Rambis works with Gasol, Odom, and Bynum who are pretty polished and balanced. Either way is fine with me and a severe improvement over Natt and as good as Theus was but not trying to use the triangle. I'm sure they will have to decide if Rambis going to be stuck to the triangle like Theus. Either way I am happy, as long as they remember KMart is valuable but not clutch and actually have plays with all the players (inlcuding JT and Hawes, plus some PG stability) set thet they look prepared to win some close games I will be happy. The difference between winning and losing is very small.
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Re: Whats up with the Coach selection process? 

Post#89 » by Smills91 » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:41 am

mitchweber wrote:I don't think people are giving Rambis a fair shake. If Geoff likes him, I like.



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Re: Whats up with the Coach selection process? 

Post#90 » by KF10 » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:57 am

*Rambis helped the Kings lead a semi-productive successful season*


All of the Rambis doubters:

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Re: Whats up with the Coach selection process? 

Post#91 » by King Baller » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:01 am

The Kings hire Paul Westphal to be the Head Coach.

I am very happy with this choice and I expect good things to come of it.

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