Childress contract situation

tbhawksfan · Post #1 » by **tbhawksfan** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:17 am

If the Hawks are not going to bring Chil / Andersen to the team, why do they keep their rights. It counts against the cap limiting or opportunities to help the team.

Wouldn't it be better to get something for the cap holds instead of nothing?

Seems like cheap management to me. The Speedy situation is the same. Cap hold for a none contributing player.

raleigh · Post #2 » by **raleigh** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:23 pm

Cap holds are irrelevant if you're already over the cap anyway.

D21 · Post #3 » by **D21** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:07 pm

tbhawksfan, I have already answered you on that point in a previous thread:

D21 wrote:
tbhawksfan wrote:...they have to trade his rights. Can't carry his useless salary anther year and hope to improve.

You can't trade his rights. You have to do a sign-&-trade.

He has no salary from ATL, so only a cap hold that would be a problem only if we decide to use the available cap space by renouncing ALL our F.A., so we can get almost 15M depending on what the cap will be, but it would mean filling the roster with 15M, with Bibby, Zaza, Marvin, Murray and Childress out (it means that if you want to keep one, you have to use part of the cap room to sign him).

This option is certainly the last possibility to improve the team, so Childress cap hold is not a problem to improve the team, at least not a big problem.

That's all.
Until you find a situation where you absolutely need to sign a player with cap room, it doesn't change anything.
Even if there's a cap hold, you can speak to a F.A., and if you can find a F.A. wanting to sign in ATL and you need cap room to sign him, then you can renounce to th rights.
Why renounce to it before knowing if you will need cap room, not to say before knowing any F.A. that want to sign ?

tbhawksfan · Post #4 » by **tbhawksfan** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:05 pm

Think I've got it. SO why haven't they used that money to improve the team?!

killbuckner · Post #5 » by **killbuckner** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:08 pm

In order to have caproom the Hawks would have to renounce Zaza, Bibby, Childress, and Marvin. They all have big capholds. Unless you want to renounce all of them then it doesn't make any sense to renounce any of them. You can either renounce your players and use real caproom, or keep the rights to those players and only use the MLE and BAE.

D21 · Post #6 » by **D21** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:55 pm

And you have certainly a better team by re-signing or signing and trade Zaza, Bibby, Childress, Marvin, the MLE and BEA than by losing all these guys and use 15M of cap room.

If we renounce all their rights, and want to do a sign and trade for one or more guys, we will have to use cap room to do it. If we don't renounce, we can use Bird rights, and go over the cap.

tbhawksfan · Post #7 » by **tbhawksfan** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:09 pm

Your explainations seem simple enough. Does Sund know about this. Seems he's been putting off wheeling and dealing. Time has come to make some moves to optimize the roster.

killbuckner · Post #8 » by **killbuckner** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:13 pm

tb- you understand that the Hawks cannot trade the rights to childress right? They can't do anything with him, Marvin, Bibby, Zaza, or Murray until July 11th or so.

Even if he had an offseason trade worked out the league doesn't want them annouced until the playoffs are done because they don't want fans to be distracted.

tbhawksfan · Post #9 » by **tbhawksfan** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:13 pm

I was talking about last season when Sund let Chil get away for NADA and only replaced him with two cheaper, lesser players.

I'm really tired of ASG, Woodson and the GM's and fans that put up with their crap. The only management figure I have any respect for lately was BK, at least he wanted to fire Woody and bring Andersen over. He also told Belkin and the rest of the ASG to go to h€ll.

Me and a guy called Clyde on the AJC blog seem to be the only two who refuse to accept these guys crap.

Post #10 » by **dms269** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:23 am

I don't think you can blame Sund for the Chill situation. He wanted to make sure he signed his better player first. Can you blame him? I would much rather have Smith than Chill. With Smith's immaturity you can just bet that he would be "Oh, I guess chill is more important than me", and that does show us Chill's immaturity.

I actually will take Flip and Evans over Chill, especially Flip.

raleigh · Post #11 » by **raleigh** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:44 am

tbhawksfan wrote:I was talking about last season when Sund let Chil get away for NADA and only replaced him with two cheaper, lesser players.

Flip + Evans >>> Childress

tbhawksfan · Post #12 » by **tbhawksfan** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:31 pm

Yeah, but Chil > Flip and Chil > Mo. It was a case of adding a c and a c-, but losing a b-. The two add up to more than the one, but neither is a better player. Keep Chil add Flip and sign a big (even DA) and that would have been a good off-season.

As it is, it wasn't.

killbuckner · Post #13 » by **killbuckner** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:41 pm

Evans and Flip combined made significantly less than Childress would have. THe Hawks payroll was 68 million dollars this year. How much higher do you think it should have been? This team is simply not good enough to pay the luxury tax for.

raleigh · Post #14 » by **raleigh** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:43 pm

I actually prefer Evans to Childress, so I'll have to disagree there, too.

(Plus the difference between what Childress wanted and what Evans got would have put the Hawks into the luxury tax).

killbuckner · Post #15 » by **killbuckner** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:54 pm

I still don't really see what you would have wanted done. I mean of course every fan wants the team to pay the luxury tax but that simply isn't an option. At one time BK could have traded Childress at the deadline for something but he missed that opporutnity. Bad luck with Speedy not being willing to just retire and come off of the hawks cap. I just don't see what options the Hawks have really missed other than poor drafting and thats all on your boy BK.