Dwight is a MAX player, really?

[JMac1]

Why does Dwight Howard get a pass on being a one way player? Dwight's one on one offense is limited at best (see Kareem statements and 09 Finals gm tape) and he can't shoot freethrows. Dwight's points come off of put backs, blown assignments and dominance of inferior talent. Problem is, when the playoffs and finals roll around, those undersized centers and pf's are gone. Dwight is now being EXPOSED!!!! I don't think we should be hailing him as a MAX player and top 4 NBA talent with his offensive set. If he had real (all a round) top player talent, the Magic would be up 3-1. Let us scrutinize Howard's game. If Howard can get away with being a oneway player, so can Amare.


PAY AMARE!

[pidi]

nor ama´re is a maximum player neither is dwight.
they are very good players but far away from dominating a game like jordan did, like kobe do it, like dwayne did it, like lebron is.

the payment in the nba is ridicolous. the main problem is if the suns or magic don´t pay them the max, than this stupid ny franchise will do it...

so choose youre poison..

[Austin]

Dwight needs to learn A LOT before he's considered a max player, but remember, he's only 23 and he's got a hall of fame center working with him. Look at his improvement between last season and this season. I bet next season he will be a much better all around player. Only time will tell though.

As for Amare, he needs to play like a max player, which he could if he wanted to, but for some reason he thinks he is better off just telling everyone he can than actually doing it.

[lilfishi22]

Are you serious?

You made a thread about a week ago calling suns fans dumb for discussing (and turning down) a stupid Amare trade that we didn't even come up with. Now you legitimize paying Amare because the best team in the league "exposed" D12? The only times he gets exposed on offense is when he plays against Perkins, Yao and the entire Laker front court. Amare gets exposed EVERY night on D. Let's not even get into maximum contracts, but right now, if I had the money to sign only one of those two guys, I'd go with Dwight.

You're over there talking about how Howard is a one way player when he puts up 20/15/2 in the playoffs and you honestly think Amare deserves the kinda contract he's asking for because he shoots a higher FT% than Dwight and is decent from the midrange? When Amare starts putting up 20/10 consistently, then come talk to me.

I'm probably one of the few people on this board who thinks Amare should stay for the long-term, but even I think this thread is an absolute joke.

[TASTIC]

Are you serious?

You made a thread about a week ago calling suns fans dumb for discussing (and turning down) a stupid Amare trade that we didn't even come up with. Now you legitimize paying Amare because the best team in the league "exposed" D12? The only times he gets exposed on offense is when he plays against Perkins, Yao and the entire Laker front court. Amare gets exposed EVERY night on D. Let's not even get into maximum contracts, but right now, if I had the money to sign only one of those two guys, I'd go with Dwight.

You're over there talking about how Howard is a one way player when he puts up 20/15/2 in the playoffs and you honestly think Amare deserves the kinda contract he's asking for because he shoots a higher FT% than Dwight and is decent from the midrange? When Amare starts putting up 20/10 consistently, then come talk to me.

I'm probably one of the few people on this board who thinks Amare should stay for the long-term, but even I think this thread is an absolute joke.

It's like your typing what I'm thinking...

Agree completely

[Sun Scorched]

Can you imagine Stoudemire next to Howard?

Wow.

[JMac1]

The POINT of this thread is to show people WHY!!! Amare wants and should get his money. Jermain O'Neal is getting 23 million next year, Rashard Lewis is getting 23 million the last year of his contract!!! People call Amare names, talk about his game and act as if he is insane for asking for the max. Bottom line EXPOSED!!! D'Hype choked last night and the whole series. His game is tart!! If he is a top player deserving the max, so is Amare.

[JMac1]

testing

[Frank Lee]

Are you serious?

You made a thread about a week ago calling suns fans dumb for discussing (and turning down) a stupid Amare trade that we didn't even come up with. Now you legitimize paying Amare because the best team in the league "exposed" D12? The only times he gets exposed on offense is when he plays against Perkins, Yao and the entire Laker front court. Amare gets exposed EVERY night on D. Let's not even get into maximum contracts, but right now, if I had the money to sign only one of those two guys, I'd go with Dwight.

You're over there talking about how Howard is a one way player when he puts up 20/15/2 in the playoffs and you honestly think Amare deserves the kinda contract he's asking for because he shoots a higher FT% than Dwight and is decent from the midrange? When Amare starts putting up 20/10 consistently, then come talk to me.

I'm probably one of the few people on this board who thinks Amare should stay for the long-term, but even I think this thread is an absolute joke.

It's like your typing what I'm thinking...

Agree completely

I'm going to go out on a limb and agree with TWO posters in ONE thread

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As for Amare, he needs to play like a max player, which he could if he wanted to, but for some reason he thinks he is better off just telling everyone he can than actually doing it.

Actually THREE....
and Austin pretty much sums up the source of frustration w/ Amar'Me


PS.... Is it possible that some fans OVER-value Stat ? Is this 'VALUE' his trade value.... or his value to the team ?

[JMac1]

You made a thread about a week ago calling suns fans dumb for discussing (and turning down) a stupid Amare trade that we didn't even come up with. Now you legitimize paying Amare because the best team in the league "exposed"

NO!!!! I made a thread about Suns' fans DEVALUING Amare!!!!!!!!! What don't you understand about that?

D'Hype is proving my point now. If he is all of that and a bowl of gravy, then so is Amare. Dwight 20 pts doesn't help his team. He is useless late in games, no FT shooting, can't throw the ball to him and let him go to work. Are you serious??

Shawn Marion put up oustanding offensive of numbers too. But we knew he wasn't an offensive player. What did he avg the year Amare was gone?? What did he do for us offensively late in games??? D'Howard=Matrix.

[b-ball forever]

I'm one of the few Amare supporters left on the planet but c'mon, Dwight > Amare, deal with it.

Amare over fellow partially one-dimensional bigs like Bosh/Aldridge, yeah.

Amare over an utterly one-dimensional/relentless ballhogging/jumpshooting/past his prime/un-clutch big like Dirk, yeah.

But Amare over defensive monsters that also make a significant impact on offense like Duncan/Garnett/Dwight = no way.

[eastsidecrossover]

I think many are off on this topic. Due to market and what other players are getting, he is a max player. In reality, only 3-4 players in the league should be max players, but that is not how the market and industry works. D12 should not be one of them, but close. Amare at 23 was talked about as a max player, will D12 be talked about one in 3 years? most likely. I think he is overhyped as a player. However, centers today are not as good as they used to be a decade ago. D12 is not that good of an offensive player and will be similar to what shaq has been, but not as good IMO.

would I take D12 over Amare, yes. When you look at them head to head, they are about even. The last game I went to when the suns played Amare, both players could not stop each other and both players held their own. but both players have to be surrounded by players that cover their weaknesses. D12 has it, amare does not to a point. D12 is not a #1 option, especially when the game is on the line. I rather have Amare taking the shot the brick hands.

The NBA is all about the individual player and marketing them. That is why D12 is getting it and for some lame reason, suns fans continue to devalue Amare. Now he is not Kobe, but at 26, kobe had a lot of growing up to do. So does amare. Look at what Kobe is doing now as the leader and after all his stupid mistakes? He is avg 33/6/8 in the last 5 games. Amare is not too old at 26 to mature and become a better all around player. I still believe in him and think the suns would be stupid if they trade him. It will set this franchise back even more. The hatred will continue with most fair weather suns fans in here, so don’t expect anything different.

[JMac1]

I think many are off on this topic. Due to market and what other players are getting, he is a max player. In reality, only 3-4 players in the league should be max players, but that is not how the market and industry works. D12 should not be one of them, but close. Amare at 23 was talked about as a max player, will D12 be talked about one in 3 years? most likely. I think he is overhyped as a player. However, centers today are not as good as they used to be a decade ago. D12 is not that good of an offensive player and will be similar to what shaq has been, but not as good IMO.

would I take D12 over Amare, yes. When you look at them head to head, they are about even. The last game I went to when the suns played Amare, both players could not stop each other and both players held their own. but both players have to be surrounded by players that cover their weaknesses. D12 has it, amare does not to a point. D12 is not a #1 option, especially when the game is on the line. I rather have Amare taking the shot the brick hands.

The NBA is all about the individual player and marketing them. That is why D12 is getting it and for some lame reason, suns fans continue to devalue Amare. Now he is not Kobe, but at 26, kobe had a lot of growing up to do. So does amare. Look at what Kobe is doing now as the leader and after all his stupid mistakes? He is avg 33/6/8 in the last 5 games. Amare is not too old at 26 to mature and become a better all around player. I still believe in him and think the suns would be stupid if they trade him. It will set this franchise back even more. The hatred will continue with most fair weather suns fans in here, so don’t expect anything different.

Thank you. I never said Amare was better, but people decided that was what my post was about, going off as usual when it comes to someone understanding Amare's point of view.

Really, some of you guys need to learn how to read, restate or summarize what the aurthor was talking about, then comment accurately. You can disagree or agree with my post, just stay on topic!


Great post, East!

[b-ball forever]

Um, in case u didn't realize it, simultaneously saying that "Dwight isn't worth max money", and that "Amare wants and should get PAYED" = suggesting that Amare > Dwight, or at the very least that Amare = Dwight, which both = fail.... sleep posting is a bad idea ya know.

Dwight still has 3 years left on his contract, + a 19 mill player option for 2012/2013 season.
Even if he passes up the option, and given his improvement rate, by the end of his contract he'll easily be worth Max money. He's already very close to that level right now, closer to it then Amare is right now, and will be a hell lot higher up over Amare in terms of value when their respective paydays come along.

I'm all for keeping Amare, but giving him the Max would be a bit much. Dwight on the other hand will be by far and away worth max money come his payday

[lilfishi22]

NO!!!! I made a thread about Suns' fans DEVALUING Amare!!!!!!!!! What don't you understand about that?

D'Hype is proving my point now. If he is all of that and a bowl of gravy, then so is Amare. Dwight 20 pts doesn't help his team. He is useless late in games, no FT shooting, can't throw the ball to him and let him go to work. Are you serious??

Shawn Marion put up oustanding offensive of numbers too. But we knew he wasn't an offensive player. What did he avg the year Amare was gone?? What did he do for us offensively late in games??? D'Howard=Matrix.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe you were over-valuing STAT too much? Truth be told, his value right now is probably the lowest it's ever been in his career. He's coming back from a very serious eye injury and nobody knows how the eye would affect his game.

What I don't understand is your obsession with paying Stat what he thinks he's worth. Just because the Magic are stupid enough to ink Lewis to such a ridiculous contract, which they will regret real soon, does not mean we should do the same with Amare. And your argument that if D12 is one-dimensional and Stat is one-dimensional, then they should get the same contract is illogical. Just because Amare is arguably a more versatile offensive player than D12, then it's justifiable to put Amare on his level? Oh and please just disregard his 14 rpg and 3 bpg in the regular season. And it's my fault for forgetting that DPOY isn't worth any considerations nowadays.

Out of all the arguments you could've used I don't know why you would choose to use this as your argument for resigning Stat.

[JMac1]

[/quote]

Did you ever stop to think that maybe you were over-valuing STAT too much?
[/quote]

No!!!!

I base my beliefs on what is. I am not gonna assume Amare won't be healthy in the future. I am not gonna assume Dwight will develope a post game. I am not gonna assume Greg Oden will grow. The only thing I will assume is, the sun will rise tomorrow!! And I know Amare is the BEST interior shooting/exterior shooting (20 and in)/FT shooting/and 1 finisher, bigman in the league. That is why I want to pay the man. Who can stop Kobe??? No one!! There is no such thing as defense in the NBA, if there was, why so many points are being scored?? Good offense beats good defense. Bad offense, makes good defense in basketball. How does missing wide open shots make good defense??

Long live Mike D'

[TASTIC]

Sweet jesus...I don't know where to reply to this, but post that ONE sentence of idiocy on the main board and see your username get filleted....

"Good offense beats good defence"

[lilfishi22]

Sweet jesus...I don't know where to reply to this, but post that ONE sentence of idiocy on the main board and see your username get filleted....

"Good offense beats good defence"

lol . . .

I'm as speechless as you mate

[rsavaj]

jmac man....you're kind of making a parody of yourself

[ihateginobili]

This thread is a joke. Dwight is a superstar. Amare will never be on his starosphere.

His rebounding and defense compared to Amare is like comparing gold to a turd.

Also, D12 has his team playing for a championship while Amare is worried who to sign to his record label. I've always respected Amar'e; but lately all he has been is a whiny prick. I wouldn't build around this guy because he doesnt give a damn about defense.

Why do you think Amare quit USA Basketball? because D12 was starting over him; even Chandler got more playing time because Amare doesn't play any defense.