Phil Jackson's decision to take ball full court

slickgreek · Post #1 » by **slickgreek** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:56 pm

I know everyonee paniced, everyone on this board questioned his decision to take it the full length of the court, but these are the little things Phil does that makes his coaching decison superior to others. The spacing on the floor was perfect and it was all executed perfect.

But this isnt Phi's first time running this play.....take a look here...

1993 Game 6 in the Finals Bulls Vs Phoenix Suns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnAr4I3-Z48

Sedale Threatt · Post #2 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:16 am

Yeah, I was screaming WHAT ARE YOU DOING at the TV. Down by 2, I like it -- the defense is backpedaling and you can attack with some momentum. But down 3, I thought they'd have to run a set play to get a good look, which is probably done better in the halfcourt.

As well as we executed, and as ice-cold as Fish was to knock that shot down, that play would have never happened had Nelson not had a vapor lock. First off, he should have never been on the court to begin with. Stick a bigger defender out there like Lee. Second, why are you backing up to defend the paint when they need a 3? His heels should have never crossed inside the line.

Just an critical, terrible mistake on his part.

Erik Eleven · Post #3 » by **Erik Eleven** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:31 am

Yeah, he said afterwards he figured if they inbounded full-court, Orlando would be less prone to foul immediately, and maybe with some luck they could get a shot off. He figured right. Good thread.

Sedale Threatt · Post #4 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:38 am

Great strategy by Phil -- to have that kind of foresight in such a pressure-packed situation is an example why he's such a great coach -- but I still would have fouled if I was Van Gundy. It will never, ever, ever cease to amaze me how many teams let their opponents get off tying 3-point shots instead of sticking their ass at the foul line and forcing them to make 2. Never. Not if I lived to be a million will I understand this.

Verbal · Post #5 » by **Verbal** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:45 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:Yeah, I was screaming WHAT ARE YOU DOING at the TV. Down by 2, I like it -- the defense is backpedaling and you can attack with some momentum. But down 3, I thought they'd have to run a set play to get a good look, which is probably done better in the halfcourt.

As well as we executed, and as ice-cold as Fish was to knock that shot down, that play would have never happened had Nelson not had a vapor lock. First off, he should have never been on the court to begin with. Stick a bigger defender out there like Lee. Second, why are you backing up to defend the paint when they need a 3? His heels should have never crossed inside the line.

Just an critical, terrible mistake on his part.

Does Doctor youknowwho ring a bell? :clown:

Post #6 » by **Slava** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:09 am

I think the spacing was the key to that play. It didn't look as fluent as the one he run for the Bulls but still Kobe to Ariza to Fish and BAMM! Perfectly designed and run. I wonder if Fisher's clutch appearance would make them crowd Kobe a little less for the next game.

Mamba Venom · Post #7 » by **Mamba Venom** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:36 am

Since SVG got the praise in game 2

Jackson deserves some praise here

Post #8 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:37 am

SVG said “It was my decision with 11 seconds not to foul,” he said. “Yes I regret it now, but only in retrospect. I mean, normally to me 11 is too early. You foul, they make two free throws, [they] cut it to one [and] you’re still at six or seven seconds.” However, the dynamics of the play changed when Lakers coach Phil Jackson mistakenly thought Orlando had a foul to give. If that was the case, then the Magic could’ve fouled without sending a Laker to the free-throw line. L.A. would get the ball out of bounds again, but with the flow of the play disturbed.

However, while the Magic had committed just one team foul in the fourth quarter it came in the final two minutes. That meant its next foul was a shooting foul. Jackson had it wrong though and as a result said he had the Lakers take the ball out in their backcourt because he wanted to create space to avoid the hack that it turned out was never coming.

By going full court though, it took time for Fisher to bring the ball up. The clock wound down under Van Gundy’s seven-second standard, but defender Jameer Nelson(notes) did what his coach had told him. “We weren’t supposed to foul,” Nelson said. “I should have pushed up on him a little more.” Van Gundy was questioning everything afterward, even acknowledging that the full-court scenario could’ve changed his decision.

I call this the trimistake play. Phil clueless on Orlandos foul situation, STV telling his team not to foul when up 3, and Nelson comming back from shoulder surgery.

LAKESHOW · Post #9 » by **LAKESHOW** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:51 am

the design and the execution of that design was perfect. just smooth in how it happened. now of course it took an experienced clutch FINALS shooter who has been there before to do it. and of course, phil had him in place.

kobe got it deep corner, 2 chased. he flipped to ariza, who in turn whipped it to fish.

who was perfectly set up for a 1 on 1 matchup beyond the arc.

they were so spread out they actually had a guy who was smaller (i think) than d-fish guarding him. go figure?? which increased the odds of a successful shot.

SPLASH!!

some say the magic lost that game. but if you look specifically in this case of our execution and clutch shooting . . . we took it.

daddyfivestar · Post #10 » by **daddyfivestar** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:25 am

Nelson would've known best. He's the one who commited the first foul a minute earlier.

daddyfivestar · Post #11 » by **daddyfivestar** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:30 am

LAKESHOW wrote:the design and the execution of that design was perfect. just smooth in how it happened. now of course it took an experienced clutch FINALS shooter who has been there before to do it. and of course, phil had him in place.

kobe got it deep corner, 2 chased. he flipped to ariza, who in turn whipped it to fish.

who was perfectly set up for a 1 on 1 matchup beyond the arc.

they were so spread out they actually had a guy who was smaller (i think) than d-fish guarding him. go figure?? which increased the odds of a successful shot.

SPLASH!!

some say the magic lost that game. but if you look specifically in this case of our execution and clutch shooting . . . we took it.

So true. Ariza's buzzer beating 3 at 2 minutes left was just as clutch.

garcia3 · Post #12 » by **garcia3** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:49 am

snaquille oatmeal wrote:
SVG said “It was my decision with 11 seconds not to foul,” he said. “Yes I regret it now, but only in retrospect. I mean, normally to me 11 is too early. You foul, they make two free throws, [they] cut it to one [and] you’re still at six or seven seconds.” However, the dynamics of the play changed when Lakers coach Phil Jackson mistakenly thought Orlando had a foul to give. If that was the case, then the Magic could’ve fouled without sending a Laker to the free-throw line. L.A. would get the ball out of bounds again, but with the flow of the play disturbed.

Haha no way, so it was luck??

KObe Bryant · Post #13 » by **KObe Bryant** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:18 am

I thought it will just ruin the play but it came perfect. What a play by Phil.

Post #14 » by **crazyeights** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:06 am

According to Phil and Fish's press conference the play to send us into OT was not designed for Fish to hit the 3. Fish didn't even think he was going to take the shot until he saw how far off Nelson was playing him and the fact that he felt in rhythm.

Either way the spacing was there and it was a broken enough play (because of Phil's decision to take it out full court) that Fish was able to create space.

Great call.

Post #15 » by **crazyeights** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:55 am

Not sure if this has been posted...but here's a great article on Phil.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=090612/phil

lakersfanatic · Post #16 » by **lakersfanatic** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:27 pm

It was the zen master doing is psychological work fooling Stan that he's taking it full court so they won't want to foul too quickly since the full court walk should shave several seconds on the clock. Smart move Dr. Phil.

i think the play was ultimately designed to Kobe. Fisher was what.. 1 for 9? The best closer is kobe so i don't think it was designed to Fisher... but the master mind of phil stated in the press conference that, that's why he has fisher out there.... Because fisher knows when not to always give kobe the ball.

I'm happy for fish the finisher. Totally blew away the doubt crowd hehe

Verbal · Post #17 » by **Verbal** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:47 am

"Went to the park to get the scoop
knuckleheads out there cold, shooting some hoops
a car pulls up, who can it be
a fresh El Camino rolling kilo G
he rolled down his window and he started to say
its all about making that G.T.A." -Eazy

MAMBAEMD · Post #18 » by **MAMBAEMD** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:31 pm

Has anyone heard from Zo lately?
In retrospect that was a great call by Phil and I like many of you was thinking what the heck are they doing. The last few half court sets the Lakers ran were just dismal. They just wanted to give the Magic a different look and to disrupt their strategy to foul.
Brilliant.....in retrospect.

Verbal · Post #19 » by **Verbal** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:52 pm

This reminds me of something I said to a gamer in a exhibition match recently:

"I set the table - you just gotta eat now." "If you listen to me, we win w/in 5 mins, if you don't - we lose in 12 mins." "You got 5 mins [to execute]" -Verbal

Unlike that game though, our boys didn't barely lose in a "nail biter of nail biters".

But unlike that game - I didn't stay on the sideline and just coach.

Allow me to "pull a Verbal" and quote what some things I said in the exhibition rematch:

"Thank your noob inexperienced partner VERBAL! THSANK ME!" ... "I had fun running support and kicking ass" "=)" "you guys are a good sport" "HOW DID YOU KNOW!?" "xD" -Verbal

Okay, I'll put my "Bobo The Clown" suit in the closet now. :laugh:

We gotta get into character and "FINISH THEM!"

See y'all gametime!

Verbal · Post #20 » by **Verbal** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:00 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:
SVG said “It was my decision with 11 seconds not to foul,” he said. “Yes I regret it now, but only in retrospect. I mean, normally to me 11 is too early. You foul, they make two free throws, [they] cut it to one [and] you’re still at six or seven seconds.” However, the dynamics of the play changed when Lakers coach Phil Jackson mistakenly thought Orlando had a foul to give. If that was the case, then the Magic could’ve fouled without sending a Laker to the free-throw line. L.A. would get the ball out of bounds again, but with the flow of the play disturbed.

However, while the Magic had committed just one team foul in the fourth quarter it came in the final two minutes. That meant its next foul was a shooting foul. Jackson had it wrong though and as a result said he had the Lakers take the ball out in their backcourt because he wanted to create space to avoid the hack that it turned out was never coming.

By going full court though, it took time for Fisher to bring the ball up. The clock wound down under Van Gundy’s seven-second standard, but defender Jameer Nelson(notes) did what his coach had told him. “We weren’t supposed to foul,” Nelson said. “I should have pushed up on him a little more.” Van Gundy was questioning everything afterward, even acknowledging that the full-court scenario could’ve changed his decision.

I call this the trimistake play. Phil clueless on Orlandos foul situation, STV telling his team not to foul when up 3, and Nelson comming back from shoulder surgery.

You get the brownie points, snaq. +4